ATi Mobility HD 6000 series Roadmap

A CES 2011 launch for Mobility HD6000 is the same time frame as the launch for AMD's last three mobile generation and there's no good reason yet to think that Mobility HD7000 will launch before CES 2012.

The only 28nm parts that AMD mentioned at their Financial Analyst Day yesterday were Krishna and Wichita which are the next-gen versions of the Bobcat APU...and they're not due out until 2012 either.

 

Sorry, wanted to say 28nm cards, not 40nm cards.

I generally agree with you,but if Nvidia launches (and it will launch) its 28nm mobile cards in the second half of 2011 then AMD will be forced to do the same.

 

There is a lot of speculation with 28nm and when it will be ready for real production, but dates dont have to match, while ATi has released much sooner on the 5XXX, and nvidia took a while, same can happen backwards with the next gen, atm all is pure speculation, but i do feel the 28nm will be worth the jump.

 

Ahh okay, makes sense now.

I expect both companies will launch one or two 28nm test parts before they commit to launch an entire new series.

 

They never released the 5750 and 5770. 5700 was meant to be an 5600 serie WITH GDDR5.
5730 is just an oc 5650.

 

i got a question
i am about to order asus G73 B1
with following spec
i7-940xm
12gb 1333 ram
intel g2 160 ssd + 500 7200 rpm

costing around $3150

is it worth waiting for 6000 series ???

because geting a 6000 series card with lower processor n other lower spec might cost same amount of money and maybe not as good as the one i m gonna order ??

 

Buy when you need to. You'll be fine either way. I personally wouldn't buy anything right now, but that's mostly due to Sandy Bridge rather than this.

 

If you need it go ahead, but if yours still fine then i would wait, considering sandybridge will be 10-20% faster, and that ATI might release their new 6XXX close, should be nice upgrade in both areas. But in my case i had good offer for my laptop that woudlnt have waited for Q1 2011, so i just took it and bought it.

 

Considering the clocks speed increases for quad cores alone, that 10-20% sounds pretty conservative.

 

i dont really need a new laptop i already got a GT725 which play all the games i need

its more like i want a top spec laptop for the sake of it i guess

but i dont wanna spend more than what i am alrerady paying for g73 with those spec do u guys think 6000 series with

i7-940xm
12gb ram
160 intel g2 ssd drive
will cost aroud $3000

??

 

In that case, you should wait. It might end up just a little more expensive (a couple hundred at most, but perhaps not even that), but waiting makes a lot more sense in your case.

Wait, which GPU is in that G73?

 

mmm i dont know man a new 6000 series card a new sandybridge processor lol i dont wanna remortage my house you know lol

i ll try to resist temptation

 

Look at my edit. What's the GPU in it now?

 

just pick up a g73jh, the prices are already coming down pretty fast and its still one of the best price to specs ratio laptops.

 

it got 5870 ddr5 1gb

 

where u got urs and how much please ?

 

It'll almost definitely cost more, but not by too much. Actually, it might even cost less if you don't get an Extreme Edition CPU.

 

but than again a better graphic card but lower processor = same performance ???? over all ???

 

Well on desktops the some of the line in sandy bridge (not extreme) are faster than i7 980X, but who knows how really will be sb on laptops.

 

The stock clock speeds will be higher than the 940XM at stock, even on the lowest SB quad. The 940XM would probably have to be overclocked to significantly out perform the 2720QM or 2820QM. Without overclocking, all three currently known SB mobile quads should beat the 940XM.

 

the only laptop where the 920XM will likely be able to compete against SB is the m17x alienware since turbo boost can be used on all 4 cores at the same time wich gives it an unfair adventage but in general the 920 XM will be behind

 

Ugh, there I was hoping the lowest end 6000 would have at least 160 SPs. With SB's IGP hitting 5450 performance and Bobcat having a 80 SP IGP it's dumb to have a 80 SP discrete GPU to even exist in 2011.

BTW I hope AMD do us a favor and make every 6 series GPUs GDDR5 only.

 

It's not really dumb at all.

First, if Bobcat can make use of Hybrid Crossfire then it can be paired with an 80 SPU discrete for more GPU performance that still fits in relatively thin and cheap notebooks.

Second, not all SB IGP will reach HD5450 performance....especially not the ULV SB...and none of them will offer DX11 support (though in the low-end DX11 is really only marketing). An 80 SPU discrete GPU would still be an upgrade to those SB IGP, while also being small enough an upgrade where the Intel CPU+discrete combo wouldn't cannibalize sales from Llano APU.

And last, if AMD doesn't offer Intel a low-end discrete bump to their IGP, Nvidia will with something like ION using Optimus.


Rebranding Evergreen parts for the absolute low-end segment makes too much sense for AMD not to do it, and personally I'm surprised they'd even offer Seymour at the mainstream level.

 

Also isn't the 6370M a likely rebrand or minor adjustment considering this? I'm assuming 6370M is Robson and 6550M is Capilano. I think AMD is playing it safe and offering as many options as possible in the low to mid end, just so they can price appropriately not to lose vendors to (only) Intel or Nvidia.

 

When would we expect to see the 6970 out on the market to actually buy? not pre orders

 

If you are referring to the desktop card, than it's in the second half of December. If you are thinking of the mobile version, than ... no one can say for certain. Only that it will be no earlier than January 2011.

 

rumore say alienware is adrealy working on a r3 with 6870m and 6970m so likely i'd say ces 2011

 

That's why I said January 2011.
They may show up at CES, but I would assume that the first laptops with the new cards will take a least another month to reach the hands of the final consumer.

 

Radeon HD 6970 and Radeon HD 6950 to arrive week 50 - www.nordichardware.com
AMD Radeon HD 6990 moved into 2011 - www.nordichardware.com

Seems like a few delays for the desktop (and likely the notebook) market. If the above news is true, I doubt we'll see notebook parts available for a little while.

 

I hope it's not true. If it is, AMD is in HUGE trouble. The GTX 580 destroys all but the 5990, and that's "cheating." It's already looking doubtful that the 6970 will even beat the GTX 580 without being a space heater. Even worse, NVidia probably has a GTX 580M deep in development, ready to counter AMD. They better pull a miracle...

 

i don,t think it will be that long alienware never does paper launch in fact they often let product in the loose without making any official launch i'd say maybe 1 or 2 week

well the 5970 beat the gtx580 the 5970 consume 300 wats maximum it can't go any higher the gtx580 consume 350 wats and nvidia tried to hide it and get beatn by the amd 300 wats dual gpu card?? are you kidding em amd endangered by this? AMD must adrealy be having a party celebrating nvidia's death

 

Leave the fanboy notions at the door. AMD isn't celebrating nvidia's death (which you presume happened, though clearly it did not).

Both companies shift prices around to stay competitive all the time. Anyway, a human would probably want a pair of GTX 460/470 (SLI) to play against a 5970 (already in crossfire even with one card).

Single card solutions tend to be more stable than multi-gpu solutions, but multi-gpu scales better per cost. Stability here means frame-rate stability in game, which is an important factor in playability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_stuttering

So the GTX 580 is priced the same as the 5970. It is slightly underpowered and has slightly more consistent frame rates in games, and it requires more power. Nvidia's SLI solution is more comparable to AMD's 5970 (this should have been obvious). Nvidia's SLI solution also destroys the 5970 in terms of price, although it is comparable in price to AMD's crossfire solutions with 2 boards.

Everything makes sense. These companies have both been around for a long time because the are competitive. If one didn't want to compete, it would lose.

 

Technically a 244w tdp, lower than that of a gtx 480. The 580 is just the true gf100, it was clear from the start it it was nothing mind blowing. You have no idea how hard it is to transition from a different architectures let alone designing a new one. So stop being a fan boy and understand what ur talking about before you make stupid comments.

 

It was stated earlier in this thread (like, the last page I think) that, without the limiter, the GTX 580 actually can consume 350W.

 

i said they where i didnot say it was a good thing they where celebrating

but they are letting nvidia get a gtx580 out without moving anything they got the 6870 out and they are not doing anything not moving not anouncing anything



the gtx 580 can go as high as 350 even if the hardware limiter try to block the power consumsion and HIDE it JUST FREAKING HIDE IT they where not trying to limit the actual power consumsion just limit the tester software and not the other software or game

 

i am aware of that but ur average game isnt going to push the gpu to 100% load constantly neither is it going to consume 350w during gaming load. Its not really fair saying that thee 580 consumes 350w because that is only on extreme cases, however this is a big factor to many consumers and could be a make it or break it situation for them.

 

How can the GTX 580 pull more than 300W since a single PCIe slot only supports 75W and it only has an 8-pin PEG (150W) and 6-pin PEG (75W), which totals 300W.

 

Those are the safe power limits set for GPU manufacturers to stay under, not the maximum wattage that can be supplied.


@Cayman vs. GTX 580 - None of it has anything to do with mobile HD6000.



AMD 28nm graphics coming in 2H 2011

So 28nm Mobilty HD7000 is again looking like CES 2012.

 

Makes a sad face...

 

What is the max power that can be drawn from a PCIe slot, 6-pin PEG, and 8-pin PEG respectively?

 

Considering the 5970 is a dual GPUs you would expect it to crush GTX 580 which it dont. GTX 580 is a single core and beats the 5970 in some areas, which pretty much show how good the GPUs from Nvidia is. They are pretty much equal...
If Nvidia come up with a dual GPU it will crush any of ATIs cards. GTX 580 is the best single GPU out there.







Source: Nvidia Geforce GTX 580 - Test / Recension - Grafikkort - SweClockers.com Swedish language.

 

If this refresh is anything like the past ones, the single high end come about same in performance as their past x2 counter, (GTX295 ---> GTX480), the GTX580 is very comparable to the 5970 (although ati still faster in some), but i expect the 6970 to be as fast as the 5970 or close, so at the end i do expect both GTX580 n ATI 5970 to be fairly close, maybe even closer than what past gens have been, but i guess in a month will see, what im hoping to see is a release price of $399 to try to position it, and forcing nvidia to draw down in price, but idk if that will happen.

 

PCIe 2.0 I believe can deliver up to 150W through the slot but is mostly limited to 75W by board makers.

The amount of power that can be drawn through the cables depends on the individual power supply. From what I understand too, a 6-pin connector can deliver just as much voltage as an 8-pin, as the 2 extra pins are for ground wires.

 

It doesn't matter if it is single or dual GPU at all, specially for the end consumer, because they still see a single huge card on both ends of the equation. They are still single cards out there. The DUAL GPU card requires less power than the SINGLE GPU card, now that's a bit troublesome for the company.

A dual GPU from nvidia sure would be powerful, but it would probably blow their own high end cards out of the water in price/performance, so not much of a good business proposition if they want to keep selling their high end cards.

So who cares? We get higher performance cards for less money with this heated competition. I can't wait to see next gen cards though, as this new gen is just a small bump.

 

I think we need to keep the desktop discussion within the confines of which GPUs are transitioning to the mobile side. It's getting way the off-topic of Mobility 6000 right now.

 

I agree, every time I see a new post I get excited to hear about some new news about the new mobility cards only to see its about the desktop versions already out

 

I think the 256 bit GDDR5 will be nice. But how much extra performance can we expect from having the stream processors increased to 960 or 1120?

10-20% extra performance?

Barts uses a lot more power than Juniper.

I am pretty meh on these parts - but I'll happily admit that I am wrong. If the M15x gets the 470m I'll get that.

 

Barts Pro uses about as much power as Juniper XT. If the 6970 is a downclocked Barts Pro you can expect a pretty good boost in performance, comparable to 5770 -> 6850 on desktop parts (don't remember how much in terms %, but definitely more than 20%).

 

If the 6970 is indeed a downclocked barts pro, can we expect it beats the current 470M/480M by a fair margin? Hopefully there will be another further downclocked version if that's the case, just like the mobility 5870 and 5850. If they end up being 10-20% more powerful than the 470m/480m(hopefully cheaper than them too), I am sold.

 

Yes I think it'll beat the 480M by a solid margin, the 480M being only marginally faster than the 5870M. I can't extend this statement to the 470M for sure because I have yet to see the figures about how it performs.