ATi Mobility HD 6000 series Roadmap

Nvidia dont offer competition on the mainstream land for notebooks for quite sometime

Nvidia took a helluva spanking when the 4600 series appeared. Then came the 5600/5700 to squash the green team again, now they have overclocke the gt425m to what they can and call it a day, they are going to loose, and badly.

 

the 550m is faster than the 6750. the two companies are actually constantly competitive. neither company stomps the other one. the end.

 

The 550 and 555M are in how many notebooks?

AMD won a lot of market share in the mobile sector since the release of the 4xxx series, although Nvidia has done a better job with the 4xx and 5xx series

 

We don't have any benchmarks for either of them, so it's a bit early to say that.

Also, keep price in mind. That where NVidia really fails here and why you'll be lucky to find more than two or three notebooks with the 550M while the 6600M/6700M cards will be all over the place. Price/performance is what matters in the midrange market.

 

Initial bench of just over 10k for 6750 gddr5 on MB15 so I'd assume it's above both 540m/550m by a small margin (laptopmag.com)

Same CPU with 540m seems to score ~9k

More than I expected considering how mediocre the 330m was in previous MacBooks

 

What clocks does the MBP's 6750M have?

 

This sucks. Now I may have to sell my MBP and buy a new one. This 330M just isn't cutting it.

Hopefully other manufacturers put the 6700 series GPUs into more laptops, along with the 540/50M.

 

550M is an OCed 250M with DX11 and at a price point people are not going to use GDDR5, its going to be completely memory bound. Same goes for the 555m, even though thats really starting to get power hungry.

 

couldnt have said it better.

Nvidia needs to put a stiffer competition, I want to have an upgrade when I get a new laptop, the 4670m GDDR3 that I have has about the same performance as the mid range of last year. its quite terrible to see such thing

 

nvidia's 550M is their typical 96 cores part with crappy DDR3 that are all over the place just featuring boosted frequencies, AMD's 6750/6770M will give it a good spanking. 555M might be competitive but consumes more power, and it could be much better if they switched to GDDR5 already.

 

I doubt GDDR5 would bring any benefits. The card's core is too slow anyway to get much benefit from the GDDR5, plus GDDR5 also runs hotter and is more expensive. Personally, I expect that the next generation of Nvidia cards, the 600M to definitely use GDDR5 as it will make much more sense for them.

 

Without GDDR5 AMD Whistler / Turks would be seriously hindered. Half Barts' bandwidth for half the SP count sounds right. Make that a quarter with DDR3, and it'll definitely hit performance, that's why they separated between 66xx (with DDR3) and 67xx (with GDDR5).

Maybe GDDR5 wouldn't be so noticed on a 96 cores GPU but on the 144 cores GT555M I'm sure it makes a great difference. Anyway the test would be simple, just oc the memory on one of these or a GT445M (same card with frequencies cut down) and see if it bring serious performance improvement. Of course you can't double the frequency but you can get an idea.

 

Since the 4000 series the mid range suffer from the memory bottleneck not the core itself.

 

Memory bandwidth is important specially for higher resolutions, textures, AA etc. Midrange parts are usually hindered not only by slower core speeds, core counts but mianly due to very limited bandwidth.

A mid range card with high badwidth will be the difference between playing a game in 1280x720 medium settings to 1920x1080 medium settings and not suffering a huge drop in fps.

Memory bandwith, of course, is not the be all end all characteristic, but it sure helps the lower end parts.

Keep in mind that a 64 shader core like the 9800m GS and 9800m GT really shined due to their 256 bit GDDR3 memory interface. Its essencially the same as having a 128 bit GDDR5 interface, pending clocks.

If a 64 shader part can even hold its own yet today, a 96 core, or eve 144 core with the same memory bandwith will only benefit even more. Hell, a GTX260m is a 112 core GPU... Its still very capable.

So a 480 stream processor GPU with high memory bandwidth will still be very capable, specially as a midrange part.

 

Wow, just had a MBP owner run Vantage for me.

6750M GPU Score = 4550
My stock GTX 260M = 4391

A huuuuge leap, for Macbook gamers.

 

Good to know. I definitely want to see more mainstream/enthusiast multimedia laptops with these new AMD parts. I've already come across the information several times that nvidia is slashing prices on its mid-range GPUs as they have a hard time competing performance-wise. Hope this still leaves some room for these Radeons that way everybody can be content.

 

still no word anywhere on AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphics.....

 

Keep waiting. It's better than a pre-released buggy version.

 

So far it looks like AMD is getting severely pwned on market share. Just take a look at how many notebooks pack a GT 525/540M. Compare to how many pack 6550/6570M, not to even mention Whistler chips (66xx/67xxM) and you have the global picture.

 

It's sad, really. Still, since they're in the high-end MBPs and HP's dv series (along with the Envy 14 most likely) as well as some Acers, they won't have issues with sales.

 

Market share is not just about being in the most number of notebook models, it's also about being in the notebook models that sell the most.


e.g. Apple.

 

its sad really that you say something like that without any kind of research.

How many laptops have been sold in this year?

How many pack a dedicated chip?

What is the percentage for mid range gpus?

What is the market share for either company?

 

Phinagle : agreed

Mr MM : market share was the wrong term I get it. Still you get the idea. I wanted to point out that so far the number of notebooks packing a 525/540M is quite important and still increasing (if you say you didn't notice then you're either being dishonest or have been living in a cave for the past few months) while announcements for new notebooks integrating AMD midrange GPUs have been pretty scarce. If you'll consider such claims only if I present you a thorough market research then I'm sorry I don't have the time nor do I have any interest in this.

 

I wondered about this and did a little research. My findings conclude the contrary.

What I did is look at the Notebook lineup of the most popular notebook brands: HP, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, Toshiba and Apple. I looked to see if there were any GT 525M and 540M equipped systems compared to AMD's midrange (6300-6600M series). Let's start with the most popular of them all: HP.

HP:

Models containing GT 525M or GT 540M: 0

Models contaning AMD Midrange (6300M-6600M): 7


Acer:

Models containing GT 525M or GT 540M: 2

Models contaning AMD Midrange (6300M-6600M): 2


Dell:

Models containing GT 525M or GT 540M: 1

Models contaning AMD Midrange (6300M-6600M): 0


Asus:

Models containing GT 525M or GT 540M: 2

Models contaning AMD Midrange (6300M-6600M): 0


Lenovo:

Models containing GT 525M or GT 540M: 0

Models contaning AMD Midrange (6300M-6600M): 2


Apple:

Models containing GT 525M or GT 540M: 0

Models contaning AMD Midrange (6300M-6600M): 1


Toshiba:

Checked their site and they don't have any new products aside from the Qosmio. I hear that they're coming with models equipped with the GT 540M. Not sure about AMD GPUs though.

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I'm sure there'll be more models with these cards in the future, but the most telling is the fact that HP has no nVidia GPUs in their new lineups. This isn't a good look for nVidia since HP is the largest notebook vendor in terms of volume of notebooks sold.

 

Great research and very interesting. Rep!

 

very interesting indeed, so I think that the trend of nvidia losing market share in the mid range mobile market is either the same or well the same.

 

it's here, nice benches: Review Eurocom Racer Gaming-Notebook (2720QM / HD 6970M) - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

Will Sager resellers include the 6970M in their NP8150/NP8170?

 

Yes, soon, at an unpublicized date.

Late March, or April.... I hope. Any later, and I'm going to have to consider the 485M as a viable option. I can't wait forever, otherwise, I might as well just sit for the GTX 500M.

 

LOL hahaha..u mean a 560M/580M right? (because the lower 500M's are already out)

that's what I'm considering as well..i've been hopping over cards since the GTX 480M and still imprisoned with a 8400M GS . this misery should come to an end.

is the PhysX advantage on Nvidia cards worth it? that of tessellation as well?

 

See for yourself: PhysXInfo.com - GPU PhysX Games Info

For some games, no, it doesn't make a difference but for others it makes a big difference.

Personally, I fear that a new MXM slot will be needed soon. All cards that have Optimus are non MXM. I suppose this is the main reason why the 470M/485M don't have Optimus support.

 

Coming from an 8400M GS, seems like any current chip should blow you away. Even my 260M is disappointing me, so I can't imagine how you feel.

I'm sorta interested in seeing what the 570M does. 336 shaders, 192-bit GDDR5, clocks unknown. It's supposedly to be cheaper than the 470M, which makes for a very interesting price/performance scenario.

But, I'll only wait to find out about that, if AMD drags their feet with the 6970M. I know that M17x R3 owners have ETAs of early April, so I'm wondering whether Dell even has the chips in hand yet.

 

People have already received their R3s with the 6970Ms (hopefully a non-ES version at that).

 

Oh? I missed that. Then Clevo really needs to step it up.

Though, I've been wondering for a while, whether Dell bought an exclusivity period.

 

It could be an exclusivity thing but Eurocom also has non-ES chips in stock too (I called them to inquire about a second card).

 

Forgive me for not believing anything that company says.

They already claim that the ES they've sold aren't ES.

 

That's why I didn't order from them....yet...

 

Just ask them to upload a picture of the GPU die.

 

Dell could definitely manage exclusivity. Even if not, they could consume the initial couple weeks of chips from AMD anyhow, and if I were AMD I'd cater to Dell before the other smaller guys like Eurocom, Clevo, or others.

 

if i were AMD i wud introduce tessellation and physX in my GPUs.

 

I am pretty sure they have tesselation in their GPUs .

As for PhysX, initially Nvidia allowed AMD cards to run PhysX but then changed their minds.

 

Thanks.

So if i have an ATI card then PhysX would automatically be turned off?

 

That is correct. I think that at some point there was a hack to enable PhysX on AMD cards, but I think that doesn't work anymore.

 

by the way, kevin and all those planning to buy a new GPU, the 28nm architecture cards have been announced to hit the market starting Q4 this year. the high performance models won't hit the shelves before Q2 2012.

That's a AMD announcement. no news on nvidia as of yet, but it's gotta be within the same period, so if you can't wait, then a moderate mainstream investment for now would be good (555M, 460M, or 6950M)

AMD's 28nm mobile GPU roadmap detailed

 

Either way waiting for Q2 2012 is over a year away. Buying a GTX 485m or 6970m if you want top end performance is a good investment IMHO.

 

Woot. It's still a long way to 28nm in laptops, as well as in desktops. Anyway I'll gladly buy a Whistler + Sandy Bridge laptop in the next few months, can't wait any longer. Hopefully I can upgrade it to Ivy Bridge in the future.

 

Waiting until Q2 of next year is simply out of the question.

Spending $2k on today's most powerful kit is more logical for me, than spending $1 point whatever thousand today, then spending that $2k next year. I wouldn't be satisfied by anything which isn't twice the speed of my GTX 260M.

That puts me over $3k, when it's all said and done. At that pricepoint, I'll spend the $2k today, then can waste part of the extra thousand on whatever refresh Nvidia and AMD release before the end of the year. Or, I'll sell for $1k, then will be able to buy a 2012 machine for an extra thousand.

I have no doubt, that 2012's GPUs will destroy today's, but my current machine probably won't live long enough to see them.

 

OHH! it better survive I heard that in 2013 they will pawn anything!

just buy one with the 6970 when they come out, I know you want, and I know I want, bad thing that this (P150hm) weights the same as my 2006 lenovo

 

I think my main computer can sit pretty until 2012.

Sigh. Technology and how fast it goes obsolete. The madness.

 

I am more interested in finding out if I can upgrade the GPU in my machine to an HD6950m. If not, I won't be chaning machines until HD7000 series.

I can happily live with my current setup.

 

Make a 6 headed dice with each face a high end notebook GPU model either current or announced. Roll the dice and commit to whatever faces up. You're gonna drive yourself crazy waiting for the next thing to come out.