ATi Mobility HD 6000 series Roadmap

Yup, it definitely could be FUD being spread by VR-Zone's 'one source'.

 

Woah 256bit for a laptop!

 

^ this really hasn't been new for a long time...

 

Technically if someone had used it the 4870 mobility could have been a 256bit card with GDDR5.

 

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From the 10.8 drivers leak Barts PRO uses Device ID 6739, so this screen supports Barts being part of the HD6800 series.



Also....

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That image suggests that there may not be any HD6x30 part numbers...and that totally shoots down my guess that Barts would be HD6830 and HD6850.

 

i call shoop on the one about bart number

or that's amd trying to make a real desinformation effort with the silicon yield and blablabla

 

I second the nomination for a shoop..... can I get a 3rd?

 

A dumb move from amd imo. Now the casual buyer will look at 6000 series, see 5870 beat the crap of 6870 (well, maybe not by a large margin) and think, "dude, they managed to pull a slower GPU compared to previous gen, rofllmao are they thinking". Or in the best case they'll get a "meh, it's not any better". So yeah it'll probably be cheaper, but it'll spread confusion all around at the same time.

 

unless bart is 6830/60 serie

i cannot concieve amd making a dumb move as pullign a slower gpu out

 

Casual buyers don't stop to look at benchmark comparisons of one generation to the next...because once you start looking at performance numbers from one GPU generation to the next you're on track to being an informed buyer, and an informed buyer will likely find out that HD6800 isn't the highest model number for single GPU cards anymore.

 

what makes you think amd will release a slower gpu to replace the 5870?

whatever you dudes are smoking...share

 

You misunderstand. They won't really, because the 5870's real successor will be Cayman, whatever number they use for it, and will probably pwn it by a sufficient margin. The point was, if they use 6870 for Barts (and then 69xx for Cayman), as has been rumored, misinformed people will think of it as the successor of the 5870, which it isn't.

All the more so Barts will be released first, so like I said I think it's inevitable there will be a lot of whining if it hits retail as 6870.

 

Maybe it will be slower, but faster in DX11/tesselation? That could justify the name switch IMO.

 

I'm going in the camp that says pricing was the main reason for the name change.

Barts will be a larger die than Juniper and more expensive for AMD to produce. However if they charged more for an HD6700 mainstream part than they did for the HD5700 mainstream parts people would be upset that they jacked up the prices.

The exact opposite is true if they give Barts the HD6800 model numbers. Since the die size on Barts should be smaller than Cypress and less expensive to produce than HD5800, AMD has more room in their profits to price the card competitively against Nvidia. AMD could sell an HD6850 at a price somewhere between HD5770 and HD5830, and an HD6870 between HD5830 and HD5870...making for a more appealing performance per dollar offering to consumers.

An HD6850 selling for around $200 is more attractive to buyers than an HD6770 selling for around $200.

 

HD6000 Specifications PDF Simplified Chinese -Chiphell

Loads of pics listing specs...but I don't read Chinese.

 

So, it's confirmed then, BART PRO/XT will be the HD 6850/6870.

 

leaked slides, lol... wasn't this the same website that claimed the HD4800 would be a tame refresh of the HD3800 at 480SP?

At any rate, we already know, due to the crapstorm of conflicting info, that ATi is weeding out the leaks by giving out duplicious information.

 

It's not confirmed yet, but it is the most supported rumor.

ATI isn't doing anything anymore.


So now...what model number will Blackcomb get if HD6800 isn't the top-end line?

 

HD6900 I suppose?

Either way, does it really matter to us what naming scheme they adopt ? As long as they have a core which is at the same TDP as a 5x00 card and can provide 20% more performance, we are set for a nice performance bump in the mobile sector. For mobile cards it's all about performance per watt .

 

This would be an opportunity, for AMD to name the Mobility 6800 after the desktop 6800. I hope they take it.

 

It will be the 69 series. 6990 will be dual, 6970 will be high end single, 6950 will be mid high end.

 

well AMD got this confusing alright.they should have stayed with 6800 as being the high end cards as there is no point in 6900 series.

 

As Kevin mentioned, they could use the opportunity to eliminate confusion between the desktop and laptop parts.
Also, this is probably a well-planned marketing move.

 

that would surprise ma as they created this confusion them self they will probably just rename it mobility 6970 as the serie 4 had the same card on desk as they had on mobile

and that move don,t makes much sens they had a gpu wich was X830/X860 unless they remove it i don't makes much sens as theu can't name it 68xx as it's alway been faster then the X770 serie but they don't have enough room in the 69XX srie with the dual since they also plan on making 2 dual gpu of the 6 serie

 

Doesn't really work anymore though. With the 3000 and 4000 series. for the most part, all the cards in a performance group shared the same GPU with the same shader counts. That wasn't the case with the 5000 series, and probably won't be with the 6000 series.

I mean if AMD uses Barts PRO as the basis for Blackcomb a Mobility HD6870 still won't be the same GPU as a desktop HD6870.

 

I thought all the 69xx series were dual cards (basically double their 68xx counterpart)...

 

More FUD....I hope.

AMD Rebranding HD 5770 and HD 5750 to HD 6700 Series | techPowerUp

x9xx doesn't necessarily mean dual GPU cards....the HD2900 wasn't, and before the 5000 series dual GPU cards used an x2 suffix.

I wouldn't mind the suffix coming back.

 

I didn't mean all x9xx but specifically for the 69xx series, that they would be the high end dual GPU cards...

 

That was just the common assumption.

We're all guessing that Antilles represents the codename for the dual Cayamn parts but it's not definitely proven true yet. Two Antilles parts have been leaked in the drivers (PRO & XT) and no one outside an NDA can say for sure what they'll be called....while those under an NDA are saying lots of different things.

 

Sounds fishy. It's been speculated that Barts will be a 1280sp chip. If they cut it in half they get a 640sp (Turks ?) that probably compete with, or outperforms 5770. Juniper was ATi's way of rebranding Cypress waste in a mid-range card from what I understand, so if they are soon to discontinue cypress to replace it with a new high-end chip from a quite different architecture why would they rebrand 5770 as 6770 ?

 

Oh boy... sick if true.

 

I believe it could be partially true that AMD will rebrand some of their Evergreen cards into the new series but I don't believe they're stupid enough to rebrand HD5700 cards straight into HD6700 cards. They have no reason to do so and AMD knows they'd get burned at the stake if they did.

That said though, Turks doesn't seem to be launching until 2011, and Juniper would still be a money maker GPU that has appeal to OEMs, so I could definitely see AMD doing a rebrand along the lines of how they did Mob. HD4650-> Mob. HD550v....but it wouldn't use a model number that falls in line with the new cards.

Honestly I was always expecting a rebrand of something more like Redwood for the sub Caicos market since I don't think AMD would want to offer a new low end card that's going to steal business from Fusion APUs.

 

what is going on with amd now that they took nvidia's place as the first gpu vendor they feel like they need to take thier place as a rebranding crap machine

or is it still some crappy misinformation?

 

This is getting really stupid if it's true, I was expecting the next generation of ATI cards would stomp the current fermi 4xx GPUs and dominate the market again, at least in the mobile market. My expectation of getting a laptop with sandy bridge and ATI 68xx dimmed

 

I say we should still have patience. One month ago everyone on this thread was cheering for a rumoured 20-30% performance gain, now everyone is bashing ATI because they will rebrand. The thing is we don't know for sure what will happen, both scenarios are possible and do not exclude each other.

 

This.

Everything in this thread is rumor and speculation. Go back and read the old 480m thread and the crazy stuff that was in there. Discussion is great, but remember that we don't really have much in the way of facts.

 

Meh. I still believe Blackcomb could bring a 20-30% increase (if not more) to the mobile market. I even believe Barts as HD6800 will get that much of a bump in per watts, per mm, and possibly per $.

But I also expect AMD to rebrand some Evergreen parts outside the main line-up of new cards, It's not bashing though....yet

 

It could be a 50-80% increase if AMD does what they have been doing in terms of converting desktop parts to mobile (taking 80% of the desktop variant and put it on a MXM board if blackcomb is to be derived from barts pro or XT). This is based on what's being heard about barts performance as of recent.

 

80% is kinda pushing the optimism all the way to AMD going Barts XT with a 100W TDP....50% is more than enough to give most a snugness in their e-shorts. :wink:

 

Just looking at specs, I'm going 50% min, from Broadway XT to Blackcomb.

Any more is a bonus.

 

HD 6870 20-25% faster than GTX 460

 

I refuse to believe any more speculations. Enough is enough!

 

If M6870 ends up being 20%+ faster than 480M - count me in

 

i just wish that they would release them in a mxm 2.1 form factor

 

HD 6870: 20-25% faster than a GTX 460 sounds good to me as it is still a 40nm gpu
regarding optimus like technology and tessellation, barts ...in or out?

 

Those are desktop parts and that much difference over the GTX 460 is good but not impressive considering the GTX 460 isn't their highest end model and the 1GB can be had for <$200, while the HD 6870 should be a $300+ part. We'll have to wait and see how the lower end desktop parts perform (which are used for the higher end notebook ones).

 

By the time AMD releases a mobile version, possibly Sandy Bridge will be out. That's the current issue for AMD and Nvidia, Optimus and AMD's switchable are completely useless when paired with a decent i7 quad. Sandy bridge with it's integrated GPU should make use of this, regardless if it's AMD or Nvidia while retaining the awesome power of quad. Only way currently to have switchable graphics is to pair these beast mobile GPU with an i5. The problem is that the default specification is usually an i7 and none of the companies who make use of these GPU bother to make use of switchable graphics even if you do downgrade to an i5.

That's the story of every laptop. Regardless of what hardware it may have, it comes down to if the options are implemented, and for gaming/workstation/high end laptops, they are almost never. So even if you do have a GTX 460M capable of Optimus, I don't think there is any laptop that has it implemented, I may be wrong.

 

Barts isn't the highest end single GPU either...Cayman is.

HD6800 is the new HDx700 and should retail between the price of HD5770 and HD5850.

 

yes, looks like M6870 will be based on HD 6850 or maybe even 6870 (too optimistic). That's why there's a hope to see some nice boost over the 480m which is about 75% of the GTX 460. If AMD follows the pattern and makes M6870 75% of the HD6850/70, it will perform very close to the GTX460. Personally, I hope to see a HD6870 based card, @80%+ of the specs, to make the performance jump ~35-40% over the current best Nvidia's offering.

 

I think 35-40% boost over any of the current cards is just not going to happen.. It never has in the past so i wont hold my breath it will this gen either..

Thats not say i would not like it though .. Just being realistic ..