All nVidia G84 and G86 cores are defective?!

Or if it's in the repair service center for weeks? Mine (Compal IFL90) will have been at the repair center for 2 full weeks tomorrow...

 

I hit 95 oC daily though. Used to overclock the card as well (Acer 5920G).

I'm really frustrated about the display driver crashing all the time. A game will start stuttering and flashing after about 30 minutes, the screen wil turn black, and the display driver reports 'it has been recovered'.
Meaning it is tuned back to 30% speed and gaming is impossible until restart.

I downloaded about 10 different drivers from laptopvideo2go but all had the same problem. I assumed it had something to do with heat but I'm not really concerned by high temperatures since I consider a GeForce8 series card perfectly capable of running at 100 celsius. But since it only happend after after 30 minutes it had to be the temperature. I tried mounting a USB fan whilst lifting the laptop up in the air a bit .. but failed.

I better hope there'll be a BIOS update any time soon. Recall would be cool, but rather funny and impossible if you ask me.

 

By overclocking it and running 95C+ might have damaged the card from the sound of that.

 

Yea but I started overclocking when I was already getting those driver crashes. It's not like I thought that would help anything though..

 

Try underclocking, and the 177.79 driver runs a lot better for me now.

 

Just seen this at laptopvideo2go:

"NVIDIA GPU Update for Dell Laptop Owners:"
http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20041

"HP lists 24 notebooks with messed up Nvidia graphics:"
http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20047

 

The guys at the INQ are stirring up more rumours. Now they're saying that all the G92 and G94 chips have the same problem. If true, that a whole lotta chips out there, including my 8800GTS 512MB in my tower. Good thing I have a BFG one with lifetime warranty.

Sucks that the only time I chose an Nvidia card to go into my gaming rig, it may be a bad run.

 

There are people in the comments claiming that the previous 7000 series were all defective too. I think this has just gotten way out of hand now and I hope Nvidia will step up and make a statement because I really do think it's starting to sound like some mass hysteria thing.

We knew the G84 and G86 cores, or at least some, were defective because NVIDIA TOLD US FIRST. When Nvidia refused to dispute The Inquirer the first time ti made it seem like they were right about all cores but whatever Nvidia's reason with that was they really NEED to make a statement now.

 

I totally agree angelicvoices, nvidia should definetely make a statement to clear things up, their silence is only creating more doubt.

Purehazard, you're lucky you have the BFG warranty, others especially notebook owners of the affected cores aren't as lucky.

 

I don't really understand what's going on in the minds of the higher ups in Nvidia. Claims like this need to be addressed immediately if we consumer are to trust them and their products.

Well, my fiancee's SZ still has an 8400GS (G86 core) that is potentially defective as well. Sucks since we waited a couple of years to finally pick up an SZ and now we end up with one that could end up mixed up with all this mess.

 

I bought an XPS1530 with an 8600GT in June of this year. I am quite gutted & shocked by this entire situation. I appreciate Dell replacing the entire lot could be a huge cost issue to say the least. That being said Dell should be doing this to take care of its customer base & treat customers fairly.

The way I see it the more publicity on this issue the better. Big companies like Dell only ever seem to do the right thing when they are A: publicly shamed into it by the media or B: forced too via legal action.
To be honest if I had the resources I would be finding out what legal action I could take against Dell.
I think everyone effected by this issue can only hope that the media get the bit between there teeth or some savvy character organises some sort of mass legal action backed by any effected customers who can afford to join in.
I know it's not Dell fault initially but I can't help but have a strong feeling of dislike for them still selling and replacing these faulty GPU's.

 

the enquirer is hardly a reliable source for information.

my first 8600m gt was defective, but that was well over a year ago, and the one i have now has worked fine since i got my lappy back.

when not playing games it's at about 49-55 and when playing games it peaks at 100, but that can be blamed on the g1s having terrible cooling.


edit : also, it peaks at 100 while overclocked to 520/750

 

Two 6831FX's and no problems yet -- we are getting close to the end of its year warranty...

 

just force it to overheat and cash in.

 

That's dishonest

 

I just had to send in my Vostro because the 8400GS fried. This is the second time, so at least for me, anecdotally, something seems wrong with this series of GPUs.

 

Dell did not make this defective part. It is not them that needs to replace them but nvidia. nvidia needs to provide new ones and pay dell for the labor. but thats not going to happen.

 

well dur!!!

 

My buddy just sent his in for a new MoBo, screen went blank and that was that...guaranteed it was the GPU in action.

 

what about G94 M ? are they defective

 

"rumor has it" =)

 

To add more spice the HP users whose GPUs fried,notably the 7 series, experienced that after their laptops were out of warranty. Looks to me that they might have a put a timer or so.

 

To me, it just an excuse to by a new one if it does fry.

 

it seems dell doesnt want to honor their extended warrenty. my 8400gs died 2 weeks ago, and dell still havent shipped their pick up box yet. even though I had called 3 times and each time with a promise of them saying they would have a pickup box delivered with in 2 business days.

 

Someone said this isn't Dell's fault & it should be taken up with Nvidia. This is true but the problem is that I didn't buy my laptop from Nvidia. I wish Dell all the best in any legal action they want to take against Nvidia but my contract is with Dell. I bought a laptop from them that had defective parts installed. Sounds like the chances are that Dell new this & still supplied.
If any end user's like myself have a beef it needs to be taken up with Dell.
I have tried to air these views on the Dell forums a few times & found that the mods like to block as much negative feed back as they can for any lame excuse.
Any legal bods out there up for mass legal action, bring it on

 

So the 9600M GT 512MB DDR3 is affected. Does anyone know what temps this card can handle?

 

So Geforce 8800M is safe right??

 

Hope DELL replaces all 8600m and 8700m with 8800m for free..
hehehe

 

Don't we all wish. I'd love to have an upgraded GPU in my Vostro, but that's never going to happen.

 

The 9600m GT GDDR3 is NOT affected (to our knowledge).
The affected cores are G84, G86 and some others might be affected from the 9 series (I think G92 and G94), but not all.

9600m GT is a G96 core and was stated as NOT affected (for now).

 

Hey Deks, you speak as if a Dell employee.

If this is the case, were the 8600M GT cards affected? am I covered?

I do not see my system in the list provided several months ago (Vostro 1500)

 

Lol.
I'm no employee of Dell.
I'm merely going by what was established/confirmed up until this point (while leaving room for alternative possibilities).

I'd personally love to see all of the affected people get such an upgrade, but this is DELL we are talking about.
None of the larger companies would do such a thing because it's easier to replace the gpu with a new one which will probably fail at a later time instead of upgrading you to a one that is more powerful and doesn't have the issue.
It's a loss from their perspective because the more powerful gpu doesn't match from financial perspective the one that came with the system.
Although if DELL laptop owners DID have issues, why didn't the company simply replace the defective cards with the ATI cards to avoid the problem altogether?
They should be interchangeable ... and DELL's continuous ranting that 3650 (for example) cannot fit into a 15" laptop is pure and simple garbage.
They merely sell it in the Studio 17" to further increase the cost and therefore limit the 15" crowd to a less powerful solution with inaccurate statements.

 

My temps could get up to 105, I added a ventilation mod and now they're under 55.

 

To which ventilation mod are you referring?

 

ASUS c90s vicious mod -drill holes (in my case cut a hole) around the gpu, and then used epoxy to put a usb fan underneath it. I then use a laptop stand with rubber props to keep some mobility.

Basically a custom laptop cooler. Nice because HDD is now at 50 instead of 60+. CPU is overclocked and is under 50 instead of 60-68, and the GPU does not overheat when the CPU is idle (and the fans are turned off).

I have another unmodified ace door and can underclock the 9600m so it doesn't boil my skin.

This sounds extreme, but until ASUS releases a bios that will turn on the fans at GPU temps instead of CPU temps, it's all I can do to play Crysis.

 

well the 8400 GS on my Dell Vostro 1400 conked off yesterday night.

I'm actually out of warranty but the Dell rep agreed to replace the mobo after i quoted him about the Dell site and the Limited Warranty Enhancement.

My only worry is will i be sent the same chipset ? If yes, will that too be likely to succumb ?

I asked the guy to give me an Intel X3100 but he said he couldnt. Is there anyway i can get it from them ?

 

The best you can do is try to get the rep on your side with a good excuse, which may be too late if it is already processed. The trick is to give the rep something good to tell the manager or write down in the notes, that's what they'll be looking for.

An example would be that the 8400 caused something else to fail and you're upset about it. (just an example)

 

I wish sony was so understanding when mine packed up a couple of weeks ago; main reason that i will NEVER consider a vaio again.

Instead the demanded £700 to repair the motherboard.

 

thanks for the suggestion. I guess i cant do it anymore 'cos the service center guy called me up and said the replacement mobo is on its way and he'll replace it tomorrow.

Thats sad. I thought Sony were much better.
And 700 bucks for the mobo is a way too high IMO. You could get a really decent brand new lappy for that cost!!


What i understand of this problem is that, all 8400 GS are susceptible to these overheating problems. But the rep i had spoken to was pretty confident that the problem has been taken care of. He said that the problem is no longer existent.

Is that true ?

 

Possible, but the probability is very low.
Nvidia wouldn't bother making new versions of already outdated gpu's that they want to phase out anyway in the long run.
It's easier to replace the defective card with another one and 'hope' it lasts longer.

The only revisions they would do are in new gpu's that use different architectures (not rebranded ones) and avoid potential problems.

 

Great, I was thinking of getting an Acer 8930G with the 9600M GT. Now I'm scared to death of buying anything with an Nvidia card. I was always a great fan of the geforce series and they've never let me down in the past.

 

Then why are you discouraged about a system with the 9600m GT?
The card as I said earlier to our knowledge is essentially not affected.

 

Mine is a 2 years laptop that no way is worth £700 (note it is pounds) to repair it. I ve contacted several other repair engineers that are quotting me at least half of the above price. So that's another part where sony is failing me BIG time (repair costs off warranty).

Anyway here is the thread in the sony subforum (45+pages). And imagine sony is not publicly acknowledging the problem, which hp and dell seem to have...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=268277

 

got my mobo replaced today with a 'refurbished' 8400 GS based one.

Fingers crossed. Hope nothing similar happens.

 

Sometimes my screen goes really bright and then resets.
Sometimes half my screen goes dark and then resets. Sometimes when I watch a video, portions of my screen go dark and doesn't refresh then resets again.

I have a 9600GT, is this a symptom of defective GPUs?

 

Doesn't sound like the GPU... do you have any temp monitoring software? Is your computer restarting or just your screen?

 

The brightness of the screen doesn't change. All the colors just seem to fade away.

 

just a question guys, i have an asus F9S with 8400m g, i send it back to asus would they fix the heat problem? i also have problems with my R key as it come times would get stuck

 

This question would better belong in the Asus forum: http://forum.notebookreview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

Make a new thread there.

 

just made one, thanks alot