All nVidia G84 and G86 cores are defective?!

I just want to make sure that my card is not affected its on my sig.

 

You know you could figure this out yourself, correct?

Run GPU. What is your core? If it isn't one of the mentioned, then you're okay.

Not everyone can hold your hand through everything...

 

I'm not smart with all that much with computer stuff. Is that bad to ask for help? YOu don't have to be the one that answers all my questions. ;]

 

It's fine to ask for help on things that only others would know, but you can simply Google, or download the program I listed.

But I will answer it anyway-

It is a G84-50. (Googled "9500m GS Core", and the first link showed all the information I needed)

 

The only people who can tell you if your card is one of the ones that are effected is Acer. No one else. All this talk of possible problems effecting all G84/G86 cores is still just speculation. Even nVidia claim that not all are faulty. Wait and see what happens over the coming months, then make comments.

 

My opinion after reading endless reviews and faults is that nvidia´s G84 G86 series are all faulty and nvidia is only covering up only due to enormous stock on this specific gpus.. check this link to open your eyes.

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/633

And this is an article before 2nd of July that nvidia went public on the problem.

 

Still just speculation. You are entitled to your opinion, but until you are told that there is a specific problem with your notebook (as Dell have) don't believe every thing that is written about nVidia. Don't forget that Dell have not included all of there notebooks that take the G84/G86 core. So maybe there is nothing wrong with those they haven't listed as needing a bios update.
Personally this will probably be my last nVidia notebook, I will go back to ATi as the performance this GPU offers is not as much as I would of expected, coming from an ATi x1400.

 

I'm pretty it's the A2 revision, because all notebooks that are confirmed are A2, and the manufacturers say the new revision isn't.

 

thewiz80 ... is Beyond3d's article as the excerpt above it shows ... suggesting that nVIDIA 9600 cards might have the same HEATING problems as G84 & G86 cards!?!?

BTW, I keep seeing folks mentioning that only nVIDIA A2 series batch are bad. Where are they getting that Revision number info from???

Thanks,
G!

 

What i know is that they had 1.5 - 2 million gpus in stock at the end of April and they have quickly and undercover hid the problem and went on renaming the 8600gt to 9500 replacing the faulty thermal package. My opinion stands ..everything is faulty. If not nvidia would publish the list with the affected batch. Not doing so simply shows the extend of the problem and the potetional threat to the survival of the company. This is as simple as that.

 

Nvidia has made faulty cards, yes. But if they were as faulty as it seems everyone is making it out to be, wouldn't there be a significantly higher failure rate?

 

No. This seems like a problem that will rear its head after a long period of time.

 

Well my xps m1730 has A2 revision of G86 in it and yet dell hasn't said anything about m1730 being affected, but the reason for that could be that plenty of m1730 are equipped with 8800gtx cards.

 

Hopefully by the time it starts being chronic, I'll have sold my current ones that may be affected.

 

stupid question, but lets say even if the GPU does indeed fail after a few years - what happens to the rest of the notebook? Does it not run anything that uses the GPU, or does the entire notebook not work...? dumb question i know lol, i just don't know how notebooks work

 

Luckily enough I only plan to keep this for about 3 years, which is how long the warranty lasts. Still would be a hassle to send this in for repairs.

Sosly- your notebook needs the GPU to display ANYTHING. It won't work without it.

 

Sosly,

You'll have no Video ... so dead in the water until you repair it. Also, depending on how HOT the GPU gets it does have the potential of BBQing something else on your mobo.

G!

 

Since everyone keeps asking about their gpu and what revision/model it is here is a good program that is free to check for yourself. Its called GPU - Z and will give you all the specs of your gpu probably more than you'll ever need. Also it can keep track of your gpus temp and core and memory clocks.
The download site is
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/

 

Hmm, looks like I'm A2. Thanks for the link. And wow, I idle at 70 in windows.... 10 degrees higher than in OS X. Is there a way to get this program to display temps in-game?

 

Check the device manager hardware ID's. GPU-Z states rev A2 for mine, but the device manger states rev A1. Now bearing in mind GPU-Z is wrong for the memory of mine (It states 256MB not 512MB) who do I believe?

 

Wow... I'd say your device manager would be more accurate... I should check mine as well.

EDIT: Under "Hardware IDs" in the device manager for the 8600 it says REV_A1 at the end of the first line. Is that what you mean?

 

Yep. Exactly my point. I kind of believe Windows over GPU-Z. GPU-Z is a good program, but like CPU-Z it is only good as a guide. Here's hoping anyway

Edit: It also seems to tie in with nVidia's claims that not all GPU's are effected.

 

so which version is likely to be the effected one? rev A1 or rev A2? or are there other versions?

 

people... until NVIDIA THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION reveals the affected batch numbers and revisions...EVERY SINGLE G84 G86 IS FAULTY. If not now it will die eventually due to temp fluctuation.

 

Well The Inquirer is at it again.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/27/dell-models-defective-nvidia

They've noted the new BIOS that Dell has released to their laptops that have the G84/G86 cores:

http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2008/07/25/nvidia-gpu-update-for-dell-laptop-owners.aspx

And The Inquirer is reiterating their stance that all G84 and G86 cores are affected. There still isn't any official confirmation how widespread the problem is, but this Dell BIOS release certainly isn't helping.

 

Use riva tuner.

 

I wonder if nVidia were referering only to HP laptops problem when they were talking about potential losses of 200 mil. dollars in repair costs or were they talking about a wider picture. If they were only talking about HP and their share price dropped from $25 to $12 on 2nd/3rd of July, admitting a problem with all of their g84/g86 would probably make them bankrupt. As much as I don't like the current situation around my GPUs and I wouldn't want nVidia to die as except for one buggy ATI card that I had all of them were from nVidia.

 

I checked my temps using CPUID Hardware Monitor. I live in SW Florida and ambient temps are 78F.

Vostro 1500 T5270, 4GB Ram, 8400m GS, Vista Ultimate

8400m GS Temps

MIN Value
50c / 121F (IDLE)

MAX Value (No Gaming)

55c / 130F

 

So, what are they gone do about this.. ? They made defective cards so It's up to them to fix it, right...
Does anybody know something about the Asus G1S? It has a 8600M GT GDDR3 so, it wil be affected..
Asus doesn't update anything any more (drivers,...) of the G1S.

I have read that some people at the Asus support admit the problem and some people deny it...? So I guess I don't have to expect any GPU BIOS update or something from asus, right?

 

You just got to wait. Asus isn't the only company that hasn't said anything yet.

 

dell said they will address the issue according to terms of warranty, my warranty expired 11 days ago, do yall think its worth my time to see if i can get my card replaced?

 

Replaced? With what? Another defective card?

 

Your notebook is not on the list released by Dell of notebooks that have a new bios. Maybe that means you're okay. I would phone Dell up if I were you, ask them directly if you will/may be effected, and also ask them how much an extended warranty would be. I might even get the notebook insured separately.

 

Looks like this is getting more publicised with every day.
Australian Personal Computer magazine wrote an article on this issue:
http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=2750

 

Hahahaha all I can do now is laugh....

 

Just another data-point, to refute the ppl saying "if it's not on Dell's list..."

My computer is a Compal IFL90, and my video card (and motherboard too, apparently) were replaced. I should have it back in my hands by Monday, if all goes well. (after 2 full weeks without! eek!)

 

@ Styxar ... Thanks for sharing the article.

G!

 

I don't know if i''m just being paranoid but I emailed Acer and they have not emailed me back. Is my 9500GS affected since its just a die shrink of the 8600?

 

Wow, honestly this is quite big. I'd be expecting a huge lawsuit or at least some payout by the companies. But then again, I guess what can we consumers do if all they do is cover it up, as they have in the past. I mean, if its affecting last gen cards, who knows how long this screw-up has been going on for.

 

I'll take a class-action lawsuit ...or just a lappy that won't die on me.

 

Are the NVIDIA cards going through some kind of recall? Specifically the 8400M and 8600M for mobile?

 

Yes and no. The cards are defective though laptop manufacturers are just implementing a BIOS fix (from/by nvidia's request) to make the fans come on more often to keep temps in check.

EDIT: see this thread for more details link. Thread also reported to join with that one.

 

Simple solution to the manufacturer's delaying/patching BIOS to allow your machine to limp into a warranty-expired state (and leaving you without a computer):

 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .. oh my god for a second there i totally was gonna do it ... hey just buy a freakin cooling pad and do some downvolting.. that did the trick for me

 

I was planning on posting that myself but it should be noted (the reason I did not post) is because this is illegal. Fraud is a federal offence which will land you in debt and regretful if for some reason they catch you hence why it cannot be disccused on these forums. :wink:

 

does anyone have a 8600m GS GDDR2? Mine idles 62-65 C and gets 85-90 max during gaming. I just want to compare. I'd also like to compare mine to people with the gddr3 version

 

Are you ASKING US TO BAN YOU??? Seriously, this is fraud and illegal...

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Exactly.

 

That's right about where mine is on a Vostro 1500 ... and I don't think it should, either.

 

I have the gddr3 version of 8600m gs. My idling temperature is 50C and while gaming it reaches 70C.

 

I think people are misinterpreting the statements made by nvidea and all these news sites. they never said themperatures go up higher than they were designed to (at least not what I've read) but rather that the materials used cant cope with the temperatures/ temperature differences that occur when switching on/ powering off etc. your notebook.

I'm not too worried since my laptop has a warranty that lasts till the end of 2011. If it breaks after that I'll just get a new one. 3 years seems fair for a laptop anyways.

I'm just gonna continue to use it the way I always have, and if it breaks HP business service has no choice than to somehow resolve the issue. If it breaks after 2011,.. I dont care a slong as i have my files backed up.