Assassin's Creed Unity system requirements (Confirmed)

As much as I hate this development from Ubisoft... I just can't stop playing AC, it's so bloody fun.

Sure as hell hope they don't end up as another Battlefield franchise that doesn't work on anything and crashes randomly, oh lord would I go berserk.



...... either way, at least Ubisoft does listen to their customers.. in some ways

 

Ubi is better than EA thats for sure (and I will say also better than activision after epic destiny failure) but they have serious problems in optimization department, watchdogs, now looks like AC:U, and i am worried to my soul, The Division.. I hope snowdrop is better!

 

Lol, I actually went and bought ACIII . So far it's an OK game. Definitely not as good as ACII, which I played way too much.
I still gonna grab Black Flag later. That pirating and whaling (suck it PETA) looks like fun .

 

EA is SERIOUSLY improving themselves lately and I can't hate on them a whole lot anymore. We'll need to wait for DA:I and BF:Hardline to release to properly judge them though, but the serious work going into BF4 and the way they pushed back games to accommodate for better launches (which this time I ACTUALLY believe, since DA:I's team said it was really nice and since BF:H's team said they want to do another beta release for more feedback and testing) and such? That's really good signs.

 

needless to say, which one is a better optimized game, BF4 or watch dogs?

 

BF4 by far, obviously.

 

Optimized != Bugless

 

Very true, however Watch Dogs was purposefully broken on release for PC users, and will likely remain some form of broken throughout its life span. I consider that worse than a company who's actually trying to fix their bugs, even if it took them a good few months to begin doing so.

 

Unoptimized games are games like Watchdogs, Aliens Colonial Marines, Rome 2. Games where they did demonstrations on amazing computers and because it didn't scale down to consumer level, they instead chopped assets down and they looked much worse than their demonstration videos. Or games like AC:U that publisher learning from this dumbed down version mistake (Ubi ) and saying "30 fps is much more cinematic and everybody owns a gtx 680 these days, come on are you living in the stone age?" kinda situation

FrostBite is optimized so well, a buddy of mine could run BF3 on acceptable framerates on a 420m...

 

Uhh... Watch Dogs' E3 demo was run on a single 680. Watch Dogs' unoptimization is ENTIRELY by design. And so will AC:U be, and who even knows what the hell went on with AC4. AC3 was terrible too; only the AC2 trilogy ran well as far as I remember. It's not about "not scaling down to consumer level", it's about "consoles are too weak to show these graphics, so we didn't want PC to be the best platform and make PS4/X1 owners with no PCs feel like they bought weaksauce crap, because we get the most sales there", so they did those things on purpose. It's indisputable that more people than not who used the E3 2012 graphics mod experienced a better running game with less stuttering and sometimes improved framerates too. Please, please don't defend Ubisoft. They're doing all of this on purpose for some reason we cannot fully fathom, but believe me, it's not by accident.

 

Bro you misunderstood me, I am saying the exact same thing, consumer level = consoles Let's face it, majority of the gaming is done on consoles, which tends to have outdated hardware = gotta disable assets or face the consequences from Microsoft / Sony situation..

 

This is patently false considering the number of PC's and mobile computing devices in the world. There are entire regions of the globe such China/SEA, Eastern Europe, South America, and Africa where consoles have little to no presence. Remember, a full 20% of the world's population resides in China, and consoles have been banned there for almost 15 years. I'd bet the farm that non-console gaming outnumbers console gaming by several orders of magnitude.

 

No no no, I said "gaming" not "computing", certainly number of computers is much more than the consoles, but I firmly believe that console gaming market is stronger than sadly pc gaming market (I am a pc gamer, never owned a console, never will )

 

And so did I.

Google it. There are various statistics and none are in line with your belief. Not even in the same ballpark.

 

It's purely 1st-world-numbers. 1st world cares about 1st world. As a 3rd world country resident I can completely state this is FACT. Most services always claim to have to deal with copyright or seek permission to display in 3rd world countries, but in actuality they need the leaders of those countries to come to them and REQUEST it. I even had Microsoft's GFWL highest-level manager (I couldn't escalate the issue any further) explain this to me when I got exceedingly annoyed that I had purchased multiple games they were, by law, unable to give me support for (even if it was that I could not log in due to some bug on my system, which I will add went away after an OS reinstall). They then told me that I was legally able to purchase games and proceed to play offline, and that ALL countries not explicitly listed under their supported countries should follow the same deal. Most third world countries end up having to falsely sign up as US residents to use their systems or games online.

Always remember: When a company in a 1st world country whose majority of customers resides in the same 1st world country says something about catering to the "majority", they mean "their" majority. Not the actual majority. Steam has NO restrictions that are not developer-set for games in 3rd world countries at all, and PC gaming is very very popular everywhere. It's actually a consistent kind of popularity except in a few countries in the world like (I think it's South) Korea, where their whole culture is basically LoL + Starcraft 2 PC gaming. In countries where consoles are more popular than PC it's easy to think otherwise, but console gaming is not more popular than PC gaming in more countries than PC gaming is more popular than console gaming.

 

It's the same way with DOTA and mobile gaming in China. Absolutely nobody owns a console. All gaming is done on PC's and phones.

 

Holy s**t you are right

The Console War Is Over: The PC Already Won - Forbes

But still I wonder if PC gaming market in capital twice as large means is it twice as large in population? Average pc costs 1k (ballpark), but average console costs 400. I know it should be hard to get an apples to apples comparison here, but still I wonder.

 

So far, only about 10m PS4 and 5m Xbone units have shipped as of a month or two ago. Compare with over 100m active Steam subscribers and you start to see why all the next gen console "exclusives" like Ryse have been coming to PC. They lost money on the console version and hope to recoup development costs from a larger PC market.

Even the biggest next gen console titles can only ship a few million copies at most, which is like the level of a small indie game on Steam. And that's just looking at games that come to Steam, forget about all the people who play casual browser games on their laptops, tablets and smartphones.

 

The average GAMING PC costs 1k... the average PC able to run LoL or DoTA 2 costs far less, especially moreso in places like china where the tech is very cheap. There's a REASON that consoles don't sell in china. The laws banning sale of it there is because they cost little to actually "make" and are usually made there, but export and sell for ridiculous amounts, so chinese paying the equivalent of $400 for a console in china is sort of unheard of. Also many of those countries with mostly closed-market economies have boons in price drops. For example, Russia pays exceedingly little for games, even on release. It's something previously afforded only to them, but of all people, EA is doing it for others too.

For example, (even though my store is in Spanish), look at what I have to pay (in USD) for BF:Hardline or The Sims 3:

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Wait what?! so its cheaper?! its 59.99 in the states... f***!!! btw yea I mean gaming PC, the forbes article I linked has made their analysis on PC hardware that is bought for the purpose of gaming. Otherwise some powerful clusters alone cost in the order of millions of dollars that is used for corporate and governmental business You are factoring in all components necessary right? Not only the tower, tower you can make a decent one with 600-700 bucks thats for sure.

 

Indeed, there have been titles on PC--WoW in its prime and now LoL come to mind--that have singlehandedly kept up with consoles.

Also, don't forget parts of the world (typically developing nations and industrialized East Asian countries) where the Internet/gaming cafe model is very popular and successful.

 

If you factor in all necessary components, you must do the same for consoles:
Xbox 1 on launch: $500
Astro Mixamp (before official adapter) made for X1 to use GOOD headsets: $150-180
1 year subscription to live: $60
1080p TV because they claimed 1080/60 for all their games: $240 (guessing here; TVs are more expensive than plain monitors)
And then a solid headset too, let's go with an average Razer or something people seem to like: $70


Seems to me like that would have run a user a solid $1020-1050 on launch if they had nothing before. Apples to apples is always the best comparison. Comparing a full PC + peripherals necessary must be compared to a console with all the necessary comfortable peripherals, right? =D. Oh, and I didn't even bother adding something like a Scuf controller or Kontrol Freeks or anything like that. Or any of those custom controllers like Imagine Customs... though I could, since people usually get pretty decent keyboards. But I'll just leave it at that.

 

Plus most households already need desktop or laptop for school or work. Console is just spending extra money on a luxury device.

 

Oh come on mate! You are adding everything for a console + the monitor that a pc also needs, I could add a triple Titan-Z SLI system that will be 5 of those at its 50% discounted price Though I get what you mean, certainly you will need extra stuff other than only what comes with the box, the same will go for a pc though. I think the average pc should be more expensive than the console, after all this is their selling point and what pc gaming claims to be proud of, having much more powerful systems, maxing graphics and such, no? (as stated in the article I linked)

 

Your statement was "are we counting peripherals too for PC? Because if it's tower alone $600-700 is fine". To which I replied with Xbox 1 + peripheral's price on launch. It's a bit similar now too, though about $150 less on average, give or take.

 

I was meaning the utmost requirement like a mouse, keyboard and a monitor for using a pc. Usually we all have TVs that we can just pnp xbox or ps4 whatever comes in the box, and it comes with its controller as well. However a pc requires mouse keyboard and monitor (which you can argue to be able to buy cheap enough, like 150 bucks total), but still I think pc gaming is more expensive than consoles, and I am kinda proud of it that it is not the cheap a** crap to get minimum graphics required, we need sophisticated machines to max the graphics and look after them like they mean something to us, clean it every few months, I love repasting my gpus and cpus, keeping my software always up to date and my pcs at the highest level of performance possible Not just that they can run my games at good enough frame rates, because they are expensive as hell and top notch quality products, like my guitars Anyway we went quite off the topic here, I am not saying anything against you, I am pro-your argument I love PC gaming and I also hate publishers giants like Ubi, EA, Microsoft, Activision just because they are blocking the advancement of technology for their corporate reasons

 

Can't really say just KBM + monitor... you need speakers or a headset at least, and you'd need to play your games online. So... I took that into consideration for console.

 

Then you need to count the cost of the TV with the console, otherwise it's not a fair comparison. There's nothing preventing you from plugging your PC into your TV. A monitor is not a necessity.

Also, PC games are so much cheaper/free that one can easily recoup the higher initial investment of a midrange rig the blows away the peasant boxes within months.

 

^^ 1 item forgot in each list respectively Though come on guys, consoles are cheaper than our machines, look at your sigs, one of you have a 3k SLI beast

 

I didn't say consoles weren't cheaper.... I said if you look at real cost vs real cost (for everything) which is what your original post said when you said asking if $1k for PCs included peripherals necessary, but then said consoles were $400, that the new (not old) consoles, on launch, cost a lot to get fully set up; moreso than they did in the past, especially in the case of the Xbox 1 which needs extra adapters to use non-proprietary headsets etc.

My PC may have cost quite a pretty penny, but the PS5 probably won't even be as good as this, won't play games at 120fps and won't have built in stereoscopic 3D capability. So there's that

 

Cheaper upfront cost, yes, but definitely not in the long run.

This is I what I helped my friend, who was contemplating a PS4, build last Christmas: AMD FX-6300, Asus Radeon R9 270, NZXT Source 210 (White) - System Build - PCPartPicker

One Steam sale later and he more than got his money's worth.

 

Totally, hence why I am sitting in front of a Razer Blade 14 + Alienware m17x r3 (that I max'd back in the time, still is my main ubuntu machine, you gotta love that xm processor with 8mb L3 cache ) + I am soon ordering my p35x v3 jesus the money we spend on computers

 

This one I did for my sister (last summer, geez tech advances fast):

Motherboard:
$123 ASUS P8Z77-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

CPU:
$229 Intel Core i5-4670K Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.4 GHZ 6 MB Cache - BX80646I54670K

CPU Cooler:
$28 Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heat Pipes (RR-B10-212P-G1)

Memory:
$68 Kingston Technology HyperX 8 GB (2x4 GB Modules) 1600 MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Kit (PC3 12800) 240-Pin SDRAM KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX

GPU:
$268 EVGA GeForce GTX760 SuperClocked 2GB GDDR5 256bit, Dual-Link DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI,DP, SLI Ready Graphics Card (02G-P4-2762-KR) Graphics Cards 02G-P4-2762-KR

SSD:

HDD:
$63 WD Blue 1 TB Desktop Hard Drive: 3.5 Inch, 7200 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64 MB Cache - WD10EZEX

Case:
$59 Cooler Master HAF 912 - Mid Tower Computer Case with High Airflow

PSU:
$59 Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt ATX/EPS 80 PLUS (CX600)

 

So I think that settles it. PC gaming is both better and cheaper than console gaming.

 

Good question.
My answer will be that a new set of development tools (Evolution) requires a new designing concepts and hi level tools on top of it for productivity.
For example: instead of building thousands of objects each having it's own texture being streamed back and forth to the vRAM, you can make a material library with a few hundreds textures and build every object in the scene to it's parts and associate each part to the right material. That way you can use relatively small amount of quality textures in the vRAM being used on a theoretically unlimited number of Draw Calls.

As we have seen in the BallBench Physics Benchmark i published here, most of the people here got more or less the same range of balls count. Not because of physics calculations or texture count, the limitation came from Draw Calls count.
Theoretically with DX12/Mantle we will get tenth of thousands of balls to the point the next frame draw will wait for the physics calculations.
Think how complex and huge scenes you can design that way.

 

Just curious since I never tried it, which API did you use for your BallBench? Was it OpenGL? If so, which version?

 

I use Unity3D 4.6 Pro - DX11 PhysX 2.8.4.

 

That might be well and good, but you hit a draw count limitation on a relatively low-GPU-usage program, correct? What if it was something with many demanding effects, such as good dynamic lighting and reflections, as well as objects being able to give off their own light depending on what's happening to them. For example, firing a gun in a dark room illuminates the room with the muzzle flash, etc. Your test was quite secluded, and you did find an interesting content, but the real world application is the key. Remember what the Witcher 3's dev said? DX12 would let them use a lot more draw calls in their game, but it doesn't mean the GPU would be able to render it all.

I mean, don't get me wrong: DX12 *IS* no matter what going to be a definite benefit... but people have been expecting it like it's the next coming of Jesus or something, and it really isn't. Look at Thief 2014 for example: The 780Ti with basic driver optimizations in DX11.0 beat out Mantle's low-level GPU access in R9 290X cards in terms of performance. That doesn't happen in BF4, for example; it's absolutely clear that in BF4 mantle > dx11 for FPS, regardless of CPU. But this is because frostbite engine (supposedly; those new pentium G3258 benches are really odd) devours CPU speed and cores and maybe even threads like it's a hot pizza with a cold pitcher of coke next to it... up to just above 50% total usage. It rarely goes above 50%, unlike Crysis 3, which literally devours 85-90% of my CPU if it feels like.

But end result: Cryengine 3 and Frostbite 3 engines would lap up DX12 like it's heavenly elixir. Certain other engines like Source Engine? Not so much. And the better the graphics get, the less extra draw calls will help. Though I will say we might see a comeback in the artistic side of things; if someone hand-draws a lot of assets we can load in everything and keep them all as separate objects for physics calculations which could be offloaded to the CPU or something.

 

you forgot controllers

 

It comes with one controller; should be all a single user needs.

Unless it actually does NOT come with one controller...

 

well, they are not that evil

Amazon.com: Xbox One Assassin's Creed Unity Bundle: Video Games

on a side note, xbox one controller is pretty good compared to previous gen, it is my goto controller for racing games! I AM ADVERTISING MICROSOFT!?! I AM EVIL!!

 

Yup, my M17x R4 is already obsolete because of games like this.. I guess I'll manage as long as COD and BF Hardline work properly... Looks like the 3x upgrade in GPU power over the G73JH wasn't enough... Although in the case of AS, I don't play those games so I'm fine

 

Well hasn't this gone off topic nicely.


But to chime in, don't forget consoles can gather a collective with a single extra controller (contrary to a PC which requires extra set of PC's). This makes it a whole easier for quick games, and nothing requires setup -all hardware is the same, forget the "bugs" you tend to search for and update a driver to fix on PC.

Otherwise yeah, I am not so much for consoles, PC ftw woohoo

 

Is this on PS4, or PS2?

Assassin’s Creed: Unity – Bullshots Versus Real In-Game Screenshots Comparison | DSOGaming | The Dark Side Of Gaming

Downgraded just like Watch Dogs, history repeats itself...

 

When you build a game for a 5 year old downclocked flagship GPU, you get a whole lotta animal waste products~

Hell, a downclocked 480 is like a 470 right? You know what? You could overclock a GTX 285 to ballpark a 470... and a GTX 285 was a OC'd 280 according to the specs I found on Wikipedia's spreadsheet.

LET'S GO FURTHER BEHIND.

They developed a game to run on an overclocked SIX YEAR OLD FLAGSHIP CARD FROM 2008. And expect it to look good being open world and devouring high amounts of vRAM.

Get outta hereeeeeee~

Also, this picture is relevant:

 

Yeah it's done for alright...

Steam has made the official changes too. RIP laptop gaming.



Link to above pic, from my Dropbox.

 

Every Ubi game says "not supported laptop cards" in specs.

 

980M and 970M should be capable as both beat the desktop 680.

 

FTFY. I think I'll wait until this one hits the $4.99 Steam sale.

 

That will happen a year from now.. I need my cinematic experience now! (and if I don't buy a new laptop until then, I will join you guys with the ultimate cinematic experience, da slide show )