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    Assassin's Creed Unity system requirements (Confirmed)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by jaug1337, Oct 23, 2014.

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    So, how CPU constrained is this game? Because I'm seeing cards that should be similar in terms of performance to my 980m getting higher performance. I am at 99% load most of the time though, so it's unlikely that I'm being CPU limited at the moment.

    It just seems to make comparing laptop cards to desktop cards a little tricky in this sense due to the fact that desktop CPUs still have a pretty large advantage over mobile ones. That is, unless things have changed and I just don't know.
     
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    Desktop CPUs don't have any advantage over mobile ones unless clocked higher, as long as it's i7 vs i7. Also, remember your memory clock is only 2/3 of the desktop chips' memory clocks; it's even worse than 780s and 780Tis. Hell it's worse than a GTX 770. You might want to clock it up to 1500MHz and see if that improves your framerates; I don't know if that would help. Your CPU should actually outpace a stock i7-4770K (as it's 3.6GHz instead of 3.5GHz)
     
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    I'll try doing that. I'm already running at 79/80 degrees though while at 99% load so not sure how much overhead I've got. Then again, that's still a good 8-10 degrees cooler than my old 880m.
     
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    And if I remember correctly you haven't propped up your PC and you're still on auto fans... so...
     
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    Still can't change graphics settings while in game. How annoying.

    Also, can anyone walk me through how to limit the FPS to 30? I've got into Nvidia Inspector and done Frame Limiting there, doesn't work. I've used MSi, doesn't work. Followed guides and not one game of mine is letting me limit the FPS unless there's a toggle built into the options screen.
     
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    btw whats the vram usage in this game?
     
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    over 4GB
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    If it still includes the much more optimal DX9 render path, there may be hope yet for Far Cry 4.
     
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    ^^^What about FC3BD? It ran like crap for me (and yet I still loved that game!). Maybe Ubi will go the BD way, just for the lulz.
     
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    4770K is faster. 8MB L3 cache and 3.7 GHz 4-core Turbo vs. 6MB and 3.6 GHz on the 4810MQ. And when overclocked ofc as it's unlocked while 4810MQ maxes out at 4 GHz.

    And with the release of the 5960X, desktop CPU's are faster than mobile CPU's than they have been in a very long time.

    Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon won't be getting a follow-up - PC Gamer

    Yeah BD runs even worse than FC3 for some reason, especially when there are a lot of particles on-screen. But it's the same deal, DX9 is much better than DX11.
     
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    I have never actually seen a 4770K go above 3.5GHz in normal operating conditions... my friend has one and my other friend has a 4670K and a third friend has a 4690K, and they all sit at their stock clocks and don't usually turbo (at least that's what they tell me). If it doesn't turbo and sits at 3.5GHz, then the 4810MQ is 100MHz faster at stock (though as you say, lacking the L3 cache. But I've never seen the L3 cache make much of a difference in games itself either).

    Feel free to show me any info you have that proves otherwise though; in that case I'll have to start comparing it to a 4910MQ (which is 3.7GHz stock and has the 8MB L3 cache).
     
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    So I might get higher frame rate with optional DX9? Don't think I tried this for FC3, but I've found with some games my frame rate is higher in DX11 mode. (provided I don't enable tessellation etc) Read somewhere it was supposed to include some sort of optimizations that are not available in DX9.
     
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    Probably crippled Haswell turds just like the mobile chips. You have to adjust them in XTU/BIOS just to run at Intel stock speeds. :p

    Yeah here you go regarding the 4770K clock speed, from the X-bit labs review:

    [​IMG]

    And here is someone getting 3.9 GHz at full load in Prime95 instead of 3.7 GHz without manual OC, although that's probably a BIOS setting which forces single-core Turbo on all 4 cores.

    [​IMG]
     
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    You should get way higher frame rate with DX9 and probably less microstuttering too.

    By "optimizations," if you're referring to DX11 Multithreaded Rendering, it's only supported on Nvidia cards and doesn't do squat in FC3 and Blood Dragon. If anything, it reduces performance in my experience--more stuttering in an already microstuttery game and lower FPS. It's off by default and turning it on requires a config file change as the in-game menu option was removed in the FC3 retail release (it was available in beta).

    DX11 FC3 & BD don't use tessellation. They do use the compute shader. And multithreaded rendering is borked like I said. None of that matters though because the DX9 path is much more optimal.
     
  17. n=1

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    So despite using 35mV less at 100% load, the 4770K runs 8C hotter. Since both are on the same 22nm process, and transistors/mm 2 die is roughly the same, seems like whoever said the FIVRs give about 10C of extra heat wasn't too far off the mark. Of course this is assuming Intel didn't screw up the IHS adhesive yet again.

    As for that 3.9GHz 4770K, it's most likely the mobo's BIOS. For some reason (likely to inflate benchmark scores and compare favorably against other boards that don't pull this crap) certain mobo manufacturers like to sync single core turbo with all core turbo. That guy's Gigabyte board does it, my own Asus board does it. I'm all for "free" OC but they really ought to let users know that all cores are synced BY DEFAULT.
     
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    Meh. If the clueless moneybags think spending the premium on some motherboard is gonna make their CPU go faster or OC higher, let them go right ahead. The value of the mobo in overclocking prowess (within reason, not talking about extreme competition-level stuff) is basically nil since Intel moved the voltage regulator onto the CPU die. With Haswell it's all luck-of-the-draw with the quality of the actual CPU sample now. A $500 mobo vs. a $250 one isn't gonna make-or-break a dog overclocking chip.

    Even back in Sandy Bridge days when I got my desktop, the mobo wasn't that important for overclocking. A budget Z68 board like my Gigabyte and a premium ASUS board were maybe 100 MHz apart in max everyday OC on the same CPU sample.
     
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    Ubisoft Stock Price Drops After Assassin's Creed: Unity Launch

    Amazing Ubisoft, amazing.

    The stock fell 9%...

     
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    4790K is where the IHS adhesive is fixed. 4770K will be that hot.
     
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    Game is barely playable on Laptops.

    I have a 970m and on ultra settings it's an average 20 fps. The cutscenes are worst.

    Even the Nvidia software recommends me to play the game on Low.

    I'm playing on 1080 High settings, AA turned off, and it stay stable at 30 fps average with some drops. I think that's not acceptable, since I can play bf4 on ultra settings at 60 fps. Even Middle Earth on Ultra settings at 50-60fps, and both games have better graphics than AC:U. Weird enough, the game menu goes up to 250 fps.

    About the gameplay, I think it's terrible, far worse than the others. Arno can climb the hell out of Paris, but when it comes to simply walk, he struggles. I hope Far Cry 4 and Dragon Age don't fail like this.
     
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    And people think being an aSSaSSin is a blessing. It's a curse I tell ya! This is why I hate AC3 gameplay. My bellowed AC2 had "3 button climbing system" meaning W+SHIFT (my controls) you would just sprint. To climb and jump you had to additionally push another button. Since AC3 you have "2 button climbing system" resulting in character climbing benches and other crap when you sprint.
     
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    You'd think they would put more resources toward a better PC port as that is the largest possible market for this game. As of a couple months ago, XBOne had only shipped 5m units and PS4 about double that. The installed base of the current gen consoles is still very small compared to 100m Steam users.

    Big hit games can only sell a few million copies at most on the Xbone and PS4, which is the level of some small indie game on Steam. The blockbuster sales numbers would only have been possible through PC market.
     
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    I can play BF4 at 4K on my laptop at ultra preset AND RECORD IT and I couldn't play this game maxed at 1080p.
     
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    New Total Biscuit's rant is up:
    <iframe width='560' height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/SgpzT5V5Mgs?list=UUy1Ms_5qBTawC-k7PVjHXKQ" frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>

    I don't know about you guys, but it brings me joy hearing him itch about how he can't play the game on ultra on his dual 980s. Ubisoft, for once you did something right :D.
     
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    The guy in this vid wins the internet. I genuinely have no words for Ubi if this is a viable fix... Perhaps they accidentally renamed their Wifi key "cinematic experience"?
     
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    What I find funny is how TotalBiscuit downgraded from dual Titans to dual 980's. :p
     
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    Totalbiscuit doesn't... know all that much about PC hardware honestly. He just throws the most expensive stuff he can buy at one point in his PC and expect it to plough through anything (which isn't necessarily incorrect)
     
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    Meh I enjoy his rants, good dinner entertainment.
     
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    Isn't he supplied with it? At least GPUs? I think he said that he has some contacts in NVidia. Maybe they provide him with hardware.
    I also saw some test and according to them 980 beats Titan. However, take that with a grain of salt, because I don't know that much about 980 vs. Titan either.
     
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    980 beats Titan by about 10-15% depending on the game.
     
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    Well Titans are still $1000 so they're the most expensive cards.

    Yeah me too. He's more style than substance for me but I enjoy his videos nonetheless, the only long game reviews that I actually find entertaining.

    If he's sponsored by Nvidia, I haven't heard about it. I don't think he's sponsored by any hardware or software company, he's so big he's the one doing the sponsoring and rich enough to afford beast hardware he knows relatively little about. :D

    True but I still consider 980 at best a sidegrade or a downgrade because VRAM.
     
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    I know he had a giveaway a while back, courtesy of nVidia, so I thought maybe he gets his GPUs for free too.
     
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    Oh, didn't know that. He probably does get free stuff. :eek:

    No wonder he's so clueless about hardware, he never actually does the research and purchasing himself.
     
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    Does disconnecting from the internet improve performance for you guys?

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    ROFL I thought this was a troll. Is this an actual thing?! Oh Ubi$oft. :rolleyes:
     
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    Honestly, the 980s should beat regular titans, but not titan blacks. They should be considered sidegrades to titans, but he lost vRAM and double precision CUDA functionality by doing that sidegrade. He also has a i7-3930K which he keeps at STOCK. I don't know if he gets his parts for free, but he has stated that he'd gladly pay for his games and gear.
     
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    Yeah not running a 3930K @ 5 GHz with a decent air cooler or CLLC is a crying shame.
     
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    Exactly! So is buying 32GB of RAM to do nothing but game XD.

    Either way though, he put a whole lotta stuff in his PC that was basically the highest end at a certain point (two titans, Sandy Bridge-E, 32GB 2133MHz RAM, etc) and now he seems to have upgraded to a 5820K (I think he said this was his new thing, instead of the 5930K) and two GTX 980s. He also said in some video that he doesn't know all that much and that it was someone else who picks out the hardware or something. He does have other people working on his business and all; he basically just does the gaming, recording and speaking. People handle his twitter and reddit and all sorts of stuff; he was talking about how he barely reads those because it got him depressed with all the people bashing him.

    So yeah. He knows what good options menus look like and whatever, but he isn't as hardcore a gamer as you or me. It's why he missed the mouse accel issues entirely on CoD AW (his mouse doesn't hit 1000Hz polling rate, or he has not set it to that, but FrankieOnPC1080p, me and a bunch of twitch streamers who usually play CS with 120Hz screens and good mice noticed), etc etc. He also runs all his games on x4 Anisotropic filtering usually.

    I mean he's a nice, entertaining person to listen to, but when he talks about stuff like how much a game sold (and why it was successful as a result) or something? He is quite literally looking at stuff like sales figures and making assumptions. So I just kind of use him to see if things run well enough on PC or not, then decide whether I want to try to get it in the future on a sale or whatever. I will admit though, he's VERY good at talking while live recording. It's something I'm still bad at and have been working on for a long time; maybe because I get really into games and forget what I'm saying XD.
     
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    Wait, so you don't think TB does any video editing? I thought it's just a two-person show with him and his wife. His wife manages the operation and the e-sports stuff and he makes the videos.

    N/m it's way bigger than that. Says est. 10 employees here. I shoulda figured.

    So basically John Bain is a clueless moneybags who has 32GB RAM for gaming...
     
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    I suppose he might, but I've seen him say things like "I gave my twitter to staff ages ago" and stuff. Either he's lying somewhere, or he does have other people working with him behind the scenes. I mean... playing all those games, doing all those videos, running an eSports team and managing the whole youtube operation as well as the Co-optional podcasts and all sorts of other stuff like that, while contacting various devs & publishers for review copies etc is a lot of time... I don't think just two people can do that. I'm not saying he doesn't do any video editing, but I don't think he does it all. Not even close. For one, rendering out videos and stuff leaves you a bit unable to play while doing so, and he has to play games quite a bit of time per day, AS WELL AS he has downtime with DoTA 2 etc. Even if he does some gaming from his laptop at the same time, the time taken in my head adds up to a 30 hour day with no sleep and 1 meal XD
     
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    Yeah see my edit. It seems he's done a good job of becoming the sole public face of Cynical Brit.
     
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    980 still has about a 6% lead on the Titan Black even at 1440p, but yes it loses on vram and DP64. But honestly for a bit more than 50% the price of a Titan or Titan Black, it's really not that bad of a deal if you put it into perspective.

    But yeah 970 is still tough to beat for value, although with the recent price cuts on 290 it's looking to reclaim the price/perf ratio crown. I mean just look at this guy,
     
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    Yeah lol. There's a lot of companies (and people) like that. They pick someone to be the face and that's all you hear, but it's got a bunch of people in the background doing stuff. He really doesn't know much about PC hardware, or settings, or anything really. If it's common enough that he's seen it in most games (like MSAA or FXAA, or Anisotropic filtering) then he'll learn about it, but he doesn't know anything about SMAA not using the temporal filter in SLI or anything like that.
     
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    Even the 290X has a smidgen better perf/price than 970 according to TechSpot, but the 970 is better overall due to power consumption and overclocking headroom.

    But yeah, 290 is still the perf/price king among high-end cards, before and after Maxwell 2.

    Now that I look at it, reports of AMD's demise are greatly exaggerated. With the price cuts, they're on the same playing field with Nvidia as they were during the Fermi days, when AMD's flagship single GPU matched Nvidia's second-best while a dual-GPU card took the top spot. And that's without AMD releasing anything new at the high-end in over a year. I said it before and I'll say it again here: All AMD needed to do to neutralize GTX 980/970 was slash prices dramatically on Hawaii.
     
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