Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

Its expected to need a voltage increase but with my 880s, they would boost in Valley for about 30 seconds before dropping to stock 954MHz and within 2 minutes, the slave dropped the core down to 918MHz killing the superior master card.

Here's hoping that situation changes when my machine comes back from Sager with a new card.

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simple answer the ram, I was speaking mostly about performance, and no I didn't read your paragraph :

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/file/product/graphic_product_guide_nov_12-0.pdf

the ram chip is K4G41325FC-HC04 , if im not mistaken:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M is rebranded GTX 780M, has 8GB memory | VideoCardz.com

That would account for the increase in temps. you may not think so but those chips do get pretty hot. yes not as hot as the main chip but they increase the Heat Flux from the card, thus the cooling capacity headroom is lowered.

Heat flux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mine runs at 941/3000 on stock voltage , maybe you could have gotten unlucky but who cares Gm204 is upon us .

 

So that makes an 8C+ temp increase acceptable? That's still an nVidia screw up.

 

Lol nope but it explains it. Also nvidia wanted to milk the dying cow , nvidia and notebook OEM messed up there, they should put liquid cooling in our laptops .

 

Gaming or bench? Firestrike I can do 954/3100 without crashing, but 3DMark11 I have to turn it down to 954/2800 or the driver crashes.

Never tried OC when gaming simply because I never needed to and thermals (prior to modding the hell out of my P370SM and U3 anyway).

As for GM204, my only response is "meh" at this point. Like Ethrem I'm also a pessimist, and believe it will bring 50% improvement over 780M at most (my own prediction is 35%). Plus like J.Dre I'm waiting for Skylake + Pascal so won't be upgrading anyway.

 

I did an 8 hour gaming session on crysis 3 . I can't get to 954 only 941. Your going to be waiting till 2016 . 35% is still good for 28nm when they release 16 NM you should see 50% or hopefully 75%

 

Oh I just realized you don't have a SLI laptop. Maybe one of my 780Ms is dragging the other's feet :shrug:

My P370SM is barely 8 months old, so I certainly don't mind waiting till 2016. Plus if Crysis 3 is a preview of what future AAA titles will need, then 780M SLI should still have plenty of horsepower to push 60+ FPS provided I don't go nuts with AA. Even Crysis 3 with everything on Ultra + medium motion blur + 2x MSAA gives a smooth 60 FPS most of the time, with occasional dips into the low 40s during intense scenes.

 

I run my 780m at 980mhz/2900mhz for gaming and never downclocks. The max I can game on with stock voltage is 1020mhz before it gets unstable.

 

Also, the jump to 580 to 680m is not important here. It's 580m to 780m. 680m is the same TDP as 780m and the same gen just not cut down. We saw a performance increase of over 100% from 580m to 780m, due to die shrink and architecture change. A refined architecture change without die shrink will not bring 100% performance increase, but it can surely deliver a sizable performance increase. Supposedly maxwell brings more performance per core, as well as twice the performance per watt.

5 Things You Should Know About the New Maxwell GPU Architecture | Parallel Forall

You can easily see how they can make a new GPU with the same TDP limits, but with quite more performance. I don't doubt we can see up to 50% performance increase. But more importantly... I am excited to think of the future, when a die shrink does come!

 

980/2800 on stock voltage?! Yeah I can't even do 941/2750 without Far Cry 3 crashing, so congrats you have a golden sample.

 

Hahahahaha thanks but quite the contrary I am the average overclocker here. Quite a contrast compared to my previous 680m. I had two 680m, one that died immediately and couldnt even overclock, and a second one that ran cooler, overclocked and unvervoltaged.

But yeah its true, my max I can run is 980mhz/3000mhz. but the memory is not 100% stable. I can game all day on a good day, but on others, I crash quickly.

 

Trust me you won't find many rocking a 980/3000 on stock volts, not even the AW guys.

Then again, I do wonder whether single GPU laptops fare better in this regard, or whether a SLI laptop set to run in single GPU mode might also do better. And before you ask, I'm too lazy and too bothered to find out.

 

Gonna be a lot faster than that I reckon!

 

Single GPU machines will have a greater probability of achieving a higher overclock on the GPU in comparison to sli machines. The more cores & the more GPUs you have in your system, then the greater chance that one of the GPUs or part of one of the GPUs is going to be a poor & unstable overclocker. Part of the reason why you might see higher overclocks on smaller GPUs that have less cores too (less chance of having a 'dodgy' unstable poor overclocker core in your GPU). Also, there's the possibility that sli machines run hotter in general than single GPU machines due to the increased amount of heat in the chassis (that's just a generalisation though), and increased heat means less stable overclocks - the same holds true for larger GPUs with more cores.

 

That doesn´t make sense at all, GTX would be GM204 for sure, they have never put a xx6 chip as top for mobile, always the xx4, and would be even more nonsense now that they have such a power efficient architechture

 

@Cloud
Yes one of the projects we're working on involves CMOS sensors for CERN
My company however is in the computer industry!

Guys you're forgetting something very important, driver oprimisation for that specific GPU architecture!! On a raw level, yes you can't expect miracles. Fisics do come at play here so a 30-35% increase in performance it's achievable on the same lithography proccess. The rest is handled in software. And there we have performance numbers close to what Cloud posted
Correct me if I'm wrong

 

What could happen:

R9 M295X: +30% (ish) above GTX 880M. 100W. Price point: $650
GTX 980M: +50% (ish) above GTX 880M. 100W. Price point: $900

I dont think that GM206 does exist and wont be out until 2015. All upcoming 900M GPUs from the first round are either GM204 or GM107.

I also think that GTX 880 (GM204) will have lower TDP than GTX 680 (GK104), which ended up in our notebooks as GTX 680M. Which will make it easier to put GTX 980M inside a notebook and they dont have to sacrifice much performance.

 

Pardon my limited understand but is the Maxwell series of Nvidia gpu 20nm or 16? Which is faster. Trying to see when it will be a good time to get a rig since my Asus n56vz died. Just after a year of school use.

 

While still a stretch, this is a much more realistic (if not a bit on the optimistic side) estimate.

Also, I've made up my mind about not upgrading to 980M regardless. nVidia royally screwed the 880M users and then basically told them to eff off by not doing anything. So if I have to shell out money to the green team, I'm only going to be doing it once every 3 years.

 

I think the estimates are correct in performance. As for price, I think we might see a bit lower on M295x. Considering that M290 is basically discontinued I think.

 

@N: You don't need to upgrade, anyway, lol. 780M SLI is plenty good for at least another year, probably two.

I'm wondering how the games coming out next year will perform with a single 780M. I can't stand playing on anything less than the highest settings. Hopefully a single 780M can hold out for another year. 2015 looks like a great year for games. It would be a shame to not be able to experience them at their best.

I may have to install the custom vBIOS from svl7 and overclock the 780M. Mr. Fox was able to get another 28% out of his 780M's with a custom vBIOS. John was able to get another 20%, I believe, with a single 780M. He said they got more than 10000 on 3DMark 11. So, that may be necessary to play on Ultra with this new games.

 

OC'ing your 780M is always an option, especially given the great cooling in your AW17. You could probably push it to 880M levels and then some and still not have it overheat like crazy.

I don't have high hopes for future AAA titles tbh, the devs are too focused on the consoles so PC optimization is going to be terribad ala Watch Dogs style. Indie games will probably fare much better in this regard.

 

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. The game trailers look so good, but that's marketing for ya. Let's just hope they've learned from their mistakes.

 

The difference is that the new consoles allow for an actual increase in both quality and porting capability. Watchdogs and many others are still marred down because they are on xbox360 and PS3. Once PS4/XO only games come out, we will see a better overall increase in graphics both on consoles and PCs.

 

Not going to happen, One/PS4 suffer to play WD at 720p and 900p with an amazing framerate of 30 fps....do you really think that is because of the old consoles?.......What do you want, that they run the next games at 960x540 and sub 30 fps?....

 

I don't "think", but it is a fact that development suffers from such a wide range of non compatible devices. PCs also struggle to run the game and it is not even as demanding of graphics as other games. Games like Infamous run much better and look much better with higher resolution than the likes of Watch dogs, because they are made for next gen hardware.

People bash a lot the new consoles, but the truth is, as long as we keep seeing multiplatform games that go across gens, this means resources will be split when making the game, and design decisions will affect how the game is made/rendered and all.

Ps4 and XO, while not high end PCs, still pack a good low to midrange power, considerably more power and memory than their previous gen counterparts, which are several times slower than even integrated graphics of today. Watch dogs runs on hardware that is less than integrated graphics on all low, but manages to humble even 780 tis due to bad optimization. Oh surely it must be that consoles and PCs lack power, rather than making the game run even on toasters.

 

Pardon my limited understand but is the Maxwell series of Nvidia gpu 20nm or 16? Which is faster. Trying to see when it will be a good time to get a rig since my Asus n56vz died. Just after a year of school use.

 

Well 50% boost over 880M puts 980M at X4300. Only a tiny lower than the X4500 I put out earlier. Who knows, could be between 50-60% as well. Come on, join us

Jesus, I thought I was generous with that price estimation
A quick ebay search revealed that the R9 M290X is selling for $750 and GTX 880M for $799.

Who knows what will happen with the upcoming cards though. Im certain that GTX 980M will cost quite a bit. All that silicon and cores, wont come cheap lol

Neither. The first cards will be 28nm. With love from the totally awesome guys at TSMC for supporting the industry with almost 3 year old tech

 

Infamous is not hat good in graphics, too much hype and is also 30 fps.

That WD is poorly optimized is not because of it has to run in PS3/360, Ubisoft has a long history of poorly optimized games way before than WD

 

@Coud: Oh god not justice beaver.

 

I wouldn't take TSMC's words too seriously, it's not the first time they gave us complete bs, this 16nm maxwell is still a myth

 

Well Maxwell is about to hit the market.
Gigabyte just confirmed they will launch GTX 880 in September.

Gigabyte to launch GeForce GTX 880 G1 Gaming in September | VideoCardz.com

 

Yayayayayayayay " The cooling capacity will likely not exceed 450W, but they might eventually came up with 650W variant. I will just add here, that GTX 880 TDP is so low, that 450 Watts would be enough for two cards."

 

Yeah, that one is very interesting indeed Killer.

 

Lets keep this conversation for another topic because we will end up fighting for silly reasons (infamous runs between 60-30fps unlocked, mostly 40s)

And the last thing we want is even more unoptimized games!

anyways back on topic, Cloud good job! excellent findings and I am getting excited for 980m! I look forward to GT72 with this new beast!

 

Aweee I though there was going to be 20nm from Nvidia this year.... guess I'll have to wait to get another comp. When should it be a good time to get one?

 

If the new desktop gpu lineup will be available next month, when do you guys think the notebooks will start coming with the new mobile gpu lineup? Maybe early October? I'm very anxious about what Alienware will be releasing on the 14 refresh

 

I have a feeling those overclocks you refer to are purely benchmarkable overclocks, I don't think anyone games on a 780M with 1100Mhz+ on their core - temperature issues! Short benchmarks runs are a different matter. Although j95, a user on here, has a 780M that I remember he said he games at 1006Mhz, and his temperatures are good, although he did something called a 'pin retention mod' (think that's what it's called) on his GPU heatsink to increase pressure. He has the M17xR4 - good cooling in that laptop too. But if you can keep them cool I'd reckon you'd get another 15% performance when at 1006Mhz, assuming that your GPU boosts & stays at 850Mhz currently.

 

There is a huuuuge Geforce media event happening next month. Nobody knows exactly what cards will be presented, except GTX 880 which def will be there, but Nvidia could present mobile 900M cards as well at the same time. Notebooks with 980M is shipping to customers in October, so it would make sense to do a paper launch in September along with the GTX 880 in that event.

In mid March 2012, Nvidia announced both GTX 680 as well as 600M cards at the same time.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5697/nvidias-geforce-600m-series-keplers-and-fermis-and-die-shrinks-oh-my

 

GamesCom is in a couple weeks, isn't it? Would be cool if they announced it there.

 

Cloud, it seems like asus's new successor for g750, the GFX70JZ, will debut only with an 880M

here are some previews: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu.../758736-new-asus-rog-gfx70jz.html#post9738182

 

i guess i'll be waiting.....have a budget of $3k..besides work computers been using the Sager NP2090 that i got since freshman year of college

 

Talk about Ancient

 

Great find
It could be a response to MSI`s newest notebook, GT72. Asus also want to offer new notebooks to have something new to sell.
GT72 is also offered with GTX 880M for the moment, but that shouldnt stop them from including Maxwell when that time come

EDIT: I see from the Asus thread you made that the notebooks isnt really new, just renamed for the asian market? It also look very alike the current G750, so I don`t think this is the upcoming G760 which will have GTX 980M.

 

it could be that, but I've seen on the driver support page for gfx70jz that for the bios, they have added support for 4860hq, which the current g750jz doesn't have. so either this is a rename with an upgraded configuration or a slightly facelifted model

 

Hey cloudfire, do you know of any other models to be offering the gtx 980m? I was gonna pull the trigger on a gigabyte p25x but after seeing you leak I've decided to hold off for a couple of months and wait for the 900m series

 

Probably most brands, like Asus, MSI, Alienware and Sager/Clevo will have some models with the next top tier gpu. If you can hold out for a while like you say I think youll have plenty to choose from, as well as models with other Maxwell cards (and AMD).

 

Like Najsman explains, there should be plenty of notebooks from a variety of brands with the upcoming 900M cards.
The only mention except Asus G760 and MSI GT72 with 980M was from the polish side of the Notebookcheck forum.

Same person a week later. God knows what this means (thanks Google translate...)

I don`t know who that person is, if he is a reseller or not.

 

The wait is killing me. I want to know how Maxwell performs!

 

Don`t we all J.Dre, dont we all.

If Nvidia and TSMC was as good as they were in 2012, we all would have been using our GTX 980M for over a month now. And it would have been in 20nm.
Add Intel to that list, we would have Broadwell as well.

Instead we have nothing. Oh world, why art thou so cruel?