Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

No then we're on to pm or picometer.

But that's bordering on atom sized transistors.

 

You all could be right and Nvidia may keep the 860MX at 640 cores. But I bet Nvidia will increase the GTX 860MX to at least 768 cores. I think Nvidia will keep the 850MX GDDR5 at 640 cores and will have clock speeds at GTX 750 TI. if you look at Kepler Nvidia seperated 660M and the 650M with the second version of Kepler with the 760M at 768 cores and 750M at 384 cores. While I get it's still the 800 series Its still the second version for the mid range Maxwell cards.

That is true! I was just go off the article posted.

 

They will. There will likely be a 765M replacement, which will have at least 768 cores.

 

New Maxwell cards are coming in September.

Several news sites have reported September, plus this just came out today

This explains why Nvidia added driver support for the mobile Maxwell cards just recently. You can bet there are a lot of Notebook OEMs ready to do testing before the launch.
Cant do that without drivers you know :thumbsup:

 

Look at Kepler cards in 600M and 700M series. 6xxM: GK104 and GK107. And in 7xxM they added new GK106 to put between those 2 and kill Fermi rebrands.

So I guess they gonna do GM206 in 2015-th aka next gen Maxwell for 900M series.

 

Yeah I wouldn't doubt if there would be a Maxwell rebrand/clock bump in mid 2015, actually I would count on it.

 

You got to wait for a while to get Maxwell chip with 768+ cores.
It goes like this:
GM107: 640 cores (Full GM107)
GM204: 2560 cores (Full GM204, rumored).

They can`t use GM107 to make a 768 core Maxwell. Obviously.
They can use GM204, but that will never happen because A) They have to disable 14SMM`s from the GM204 to make the 768 core Maxwell and waste a ton of silicon B) It will be very unbalanced chip which makes it much less efficient than a smaller chip.

So you have to wait for a GM206, which haven`t been worked on yet according to several sites and zauba.

 

Looks like we will see broadwell + 16nm maxwell in Q1 2015

 

Can say that again. Remember back in March when we were sure we'd have new cards by June, then we realized nV had no reason whatsoever to release new cards until Fall? I'm still convinced we won't see anything new until Sept/Oct.

I actually moved away from laptop gaming and built myself an ITX machine with a 4k screen for not much more $ than what I sold my last laptop for which is an absolute dream in terms of performance and experience. Hoping these new cards pull me back to the laptop space, but really don't see a reason at this point.

 

GM206 most likely will be solely reserved to the 900 series just like how gk106 was exclusive to 700 series. for now anything that has to do with 860m or 850m are probably just rebrands with factory OC

 

Not a chance in hell buddy

Broadwell is plausible although Intel said Broadwell isnt coming to desktops until Q2. So mobile might follow that as well.
16nm FinFET wont reach mass production until best case Q1 2015. It will take a while to reach tape out for 16nm Maxwell, so I think Q4 is a more plausible time frame. Not to mention that Nvidia will want to keep the mobile GM204 alone in the market for a while before releasing something better that effectively kill the GM204 more or less. I think atleast 1 year is reasonable to expect, which means Q4 2015.

I think we will be very pleased with the GTX 870MX ++ products. Should be a massive improvement over GTX 880M. Think GTX 780 Ti inside notebooks. Will be a blast.
But I sure would want a 4K display you desktop users get to play with as well. I recently read reviews of 4K IPS displays. Envy the owners of those bigtime. GTX 880MX paired with 4K would be so amazing good

You could be on to something here.
I know that the midrange GTX 670MX and 675MX didnt launch until like 5 months after GK104, so since GM204 looks like its launching in September, we are perhaps looking at February or March next year. If Nvidia even plan to make it on 28nm.

 

see originally I thought 2014 is a bad year for electronics and now with this 28nm/16nm mess, 2015 doesn't see too good either... I won't if all these guys can sort everything out by the time skylake comes out.

if nvidia can't have 16nm ready by Q2 2015, then I would say be prepared to expect maxwell rebrands for 900 series

 

There are clearly difficulties in going for smaller and smaller fabrication processes.

I wish they would stop this mad following of Moores Law and just get on with improving the architecture.

 

High time to ditch silicon as the writing was on the wall years ago. We knew there would be extreme difficulties shrinking the transistors smaller and smaller and that the pace of innovation would flatten out. The good times are over. Moore's Law is dead, getting a new GPU gen every 6-9 months with 1.5-2x performance increase like clockwork is over. Hopefully there is a lot of R&D going into other materials to replace silicon.

 

Nah. Nvidia has already tolad about 3D chips. Samsung already showed what he can do with the same technology - 850Pro with 40nm 3D chip (32 levels). Moor's law gonna live longer.

 

Graphene.......

 

Graphene FTW

EDIT: HtWingNut beat me to it by a few seconds

 

maybe it's time for some real "alien"ware

 

So no high end Maxwell until Q1 2015?

 

That's right, at least Q1 2015.

 

OK then nothing to get excited about. The low-end/mid-range Maxwell cards can go choke themselves.

 

GM204 in september, GM200 (or GM210, whatever is called) is the one for Q1 2015, that is what i understand

 

What?

GM204 is most likely part of the N16E GPUs coming in September/October.
That is the mobile high end. Its the greatest chip we notebook guru`s will see from Maxwell.

If Nvidia plays the Maxwell series as they did with Kepler, we could see the GTX 880MX with 18SMM (2304 cores) and then see GTX 980M releasing next year with 20SMM (2560 cores full GM204), if my GM204 predictions are correct.
For those who does not remember the 600M and 700M series:
GTX 680M: 1344 cores (7SMX, GK104)
GTX 780M: 1536 cores (8SMX, full GK104)

 

However, the difference is that 16nm (or 20) is looming on the horizon this time around. We didn't get a die-shrink in the Kepler era but this time we will. They can squeeze more cores in there. Could alter the flow.

 

Absolutely true. We could see new Maxwell GPUs on 16nm FinFET, which means we will see greater chip for notebooks than GM204

There is one additional scenario however.
Remember AMD and HBM (stacked memory)? Its been moved to release in late 2014 or early 2015 btw.
AMD Could Feature Next Generation HBM Memory on Volcanic Islands 2.0 Graphics Cards - Allegedly Launching in 2H 2014

Remember Nvidia moving unified memory and stacked memory (3D Memory) away from Maxwell to Pascal?
http://techreport.com/r.x/2014_3_25_Nvidias_Pascal_to_use_stacked_memory_proprietary_NVLink_interconnect/pascal-scaling.jpg
HBM GPUs from AMD in 2015 might be a reason for Nvidia to move the Pascal schedule down to late 2015 along with 16nm FinFET.

28nm GM204 for notebooks with GTX 880MX in September 2014 and GM204 GTX 980M in June 2015. 28nm GM204 for desktops in September 2014 and 28nm GM200 for desktops in March 2015.
16nm FinFET Pascal in Q4 2015 or Q1 2016.

Personally I think thats what gonna happen with 16nm FinFET and Pascal. To counter AMDs 20nm HBM graphic cards made in GlobalFoundries in 2015. After all, both TSMC`s 16nm FinFET and Globalfoundries 20nm are both about the same advanced technology and both seems to be going for stacked memory on the GPU.

 

What the heck is teaser about....
"MX ACCESS"
"Something big is coming"

 

This thread is completely over my head

Anyway, I was just speaking to an Alienware tech guy, and he told me the the 880MX will NOT be put into AWs. Make of that what you will. (It could be complete rubbish, but that is what he told me. I don't know if there is a technical reason for not doing it)

 

Never take the word of an Alienware "tech" it is their job to sell you current hardware and some will tell you anything.

 

The techs don't sell anything though. Id agree as to say they know very little about what's coming out much before we do.

As for a 880MX not seeing the light of day. It could be a exclusive iMac GPU like the 680MX

 

Meaker is correct.
Either they are trying to sell out GTX 880M inventory before the new GTX 880MX comes out, or they have no idea what is about to come from Nvidia. It is most likely a combination of those two, because most people on the internet is unable to find and see details like the codenames N16E and make the connection about upcoming cards.

Except we here at Notebookreview of course :thumbsup:

GM204 is 100% not Apple exclusive. You can quote me on that

 

I don't think iMacs can handle the heat and definitely a nono for MBPs

 

If it's Maxwell it should run cooler than a 680MX which was featured in the 2012 iMac. No speak of it being shoe horned into a MBP, not sure why you've mentioned this

 

Quoted for posterity.

 

Do you think they will release a new 860 in the near future? i think the 860 would be enough for my use and i'm selling my desktop, but i dont really want to get a laptop with 860m maxwell now if they release a new one in september or so..

 

Anyone that wants to guess what ultimate quest they are talking about?
Is it a game? Is it a product? Does that number 8 on the display signify anything?

What do you mean by "new GTX 860M"?
If you mean overclocked 860M under a different name, yes I think that may happen.
If you mean something better than GTX 860M but not as fast as GTX 880MX, I think GTX 870MX will also come.

 

NVidia Shield 2? Ufff...

 

Good guess.
Linus was going to a briefing about a product from Nvidia early this week which he talks about here , so I cant help but wonder if the teaser from Nvidia and the meeting was related.

Question is which product is it....

 

Just if they where to make a 860mx or something.. Do you think a 870MX would be in Maxwell architecture?

It does also say MX ACCESS on the wall.

 

all 800mx series should be maxwell. there's literally no point to OC the kepler 870m even higher

 

What heibk said. Most of the new 800M cards should be Maxwell, with a few odd ones like GT 810M being Fermi or something like that.
GTX 870MX will be Maxwell yes

 

No please, no more Fermi rebrands, is enough XD

 

Would be interesting to make a wager on how long Nvidia will continue to reuse the Fermi for the ultra low end. I bet they do it just to amuse us

 

It doesn´t even make sense when the modern Intel IGP are about the equal performance

 

no... 710m is still about twice the performance of hd4600

 

Twice is the 740m , the 710m doesn´t perform twice the 4600 (i am talking about the benchs on notebookcheck)

 

There is still a big difference between a card with dedicted vRAM and one that uses system RAM and shared TDP with the CPU. And even the lowest end nVidia outpaces the most standard Intel HD 4600.

 

As i said, i don´t see it in notebookcheck benchmarks, 710m perfeorms like the 4600 in most games

 

Maybe this https://bgr.com/2014/07/17/nvidia-shield-tablet-2014-leaked-photo/

 

That may be, but it also is not even offered in many notebooks at all. 820m is the lowest end now, and 50% faster than 4600, and still wouldn't consider anything less than an 850m if you want to game.

 

The difference will be not as pronounced because of the crappy GDDR3 RAM on anemic 64bit buses used on the low end cards.
The key advantage to using those uber weak NVIDIA cards is to ensure good Driver compatibility and at least accurate (albeit slow) rendering. Minecraft on the HD4000 makes my eyes hurt.