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Architecture's have a finite number of process generations they work over, AMD may have tuned theirs to shrink lower.

 

Is there anywhere i can preorder a laptop with the new 880m or 980m i was going to get one but decided not too seeing as though they will be out within the next month or so i dont want to spend cash now on something then right around the corner it something better is there well thank you

 

Y u no punctuation? As far as I know no preorders are available yet. There's probably an NDA until the Nvidia-event 10-11th September and preorders will appear after that.
And just to clarify 880M has been out for awhile. 980M and its lesser siblings are the new ones.

 

sorry....meant the new 880mx or 980m, which i dont know what the new card will be called and thank you

 

Yeah can`t wait.
I sincerely hope the live streaming is a ton better than the recent AMD one. That was a complete waste of time X_X

Zero details have been given about the GTX 980M.
We will have much more information to go by once GPU-z leaks from the GTX 880 hit the internet. Preferably the GTX 980M but Nvidia is keeping their cards close to heart this time.

I don`t think we will see any information from Nvidia regarding the GTX 980M until AMD have released the M295X.
Nvidia got to market the 980M you know. "GTX 980M is xx% faster than M295X. Go buy it" etc

 

I'm not gonna lie, part of this whole 880M debacle and 980M wait is why I'm going back to desktops after a 10 year hiatus. I mean yeah I use a desktop at work but I haven't used a gaming desktop since 2004.

Pretty much settled on X79 with 4930K now. Good performance that doesn't break the bank (or rather, I don't feel like throwing wads of cash at a 3 year old platform), and those extra 2 cores will come in very handy for some of the molecular modelling stuff I do on occasion.

 

if you think that a socket that is EOL is going to be better than a socket that should still have 3 years of life, suit yourself.

 

X99 only supports DDR4, and I don't like paying more for less. Plus Haswell's inconsistency and poor OC headroom just about cancels any IPC advantage it has over Ivy Bridge.

The only thing I'm missing from X79 is native USB3.0 support and only 2 native SATA3 ports. Both of these are things I can live with.

 

http://www.vcpost.com/articles/25819/20140825/nvidia-geforce-gtx-880-870-gm204-gpu-release-date.htm

Here are the complete rumored specs of the Nvidia GeForce GTX880:

28 nm GM204 silicon
7.9 billion transistors
3,200 CUDA cores
200 TMUs
32 ROPs
5.7 TFLOP/s single-precision floating-point throughput
256-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface
4 GB standard memory amount
238 GB/s memory bandwidth
Clock speeds of 900 MHz core, 950 MHz GPU Boost, 7.40 GHz memory
230W board power

If true... Damn.

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forgot about the death of ddr3 as well, its going to be a build that won't expand at all. but it doesn't matter I don't consider pcs upgradeable anymore

 

I NEED DIS NAO

GPU upgradeability is all I care about at this point. Honestly IMO pushing DDR4 on X99 is going to become its undoing. At least for the next year, you'll be paying through your nose for DDR4, unless you settle for bottom-of-the-barrel 2133MHz variety that will have terrible latency and perform worse than DDR3 at the same speed while still costing you more. I predict it won't be till 2016 that X99 finally gets to reach its full potential, but by that point you might as well wait for Skylake.

In any case, I'm not buying anything until GTX 880 is released and performs as rumored with an equally impressive price tag (<$500) to match. I guess I'm technically also waiting for X99 as well but I don't have high hopes for it.

 

8 core haswell-e looks very tempting for video editing, especially since im planning on moving to 4k video production as soon as i get some extra money. if the 880 rumors are true, then i'm definitely building a desktop. cheaper and faster performance that will blow any laptop out of the water will be nice. plus, 4k monitor will be nice. 980m will really have to blow my mind at this point. laptop gaming is killing my shoulders because of the small screen real estate.

 

7.9 billion transistors and 3200 cores, thats not GM204 anymore. It's either BS or someone decided to mix the specs of GM200 with GTX 880 known specs (memory bus and bandwidth) .

 

omg,i thought maxwell mobile will be delayed until next year??
and i just bought my P377SM-A with GTX 870M SLI

 

No it looks like an October release, but the actual performance difference is still uncertain. They might save some juice for 2015 so don´t despair just yet.

 

How am i not despair?
after reading throughout this thread, there is a ridiculously high chance that my GTX 870M SLI will be beaten by a single GTX 970M or GTX 980M if I am lucky enough lol
and they would obviously cost less than what I just paid for the machine.
well, blame the technology

 

Why so few ROP's?

 

because that is what you get for 256-bit memory width
16 = 128 bit
24 = 192 bit
32 = 256 bit
40 = 320 bit
48 = 384 bit

8 rop/ 64 bit ratio

 

Even if this is true, you still got GTX 870M SLI for about $50 over the cost of a single GTX 880M. That's not a bad deal. Plus if you look around the forums you will notice people still using older SLI systems. Why? Because they are still viable. My next system will be SLI for this very reason.

 

The GPU-Z from GTX 870 said 1664 cores (13SMM).
It may not be accurate though since GPU-Z added support for GTX 870 couple of days later.



But say it is.
Would you guys really expect the GTX 880 to have 3200 (25SMM) cores? I think GTX 880 (and GTX 980M) to have maximum 2560 cores but looking at GTX 870, I`d say 1920 (15SMM) cores sounds more plausible.

 

SLI looks more expensive but has much more longetivity

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Are you sure? Where can I find more info on this? As far as I know, rops have been de-attached to a particular dependency, because you can see AMD Cards with 384 bit bus and 32 rops (tahiti). Or maybe the dependency is only due to design from nvidia's part? (Then again, R9 290x does have 64 rops with 512 bit bus)

 

Nvidia have never deviated from that ratio.

 

Makes sense. Though it is not fixed as a rule, it is a design choice. And yeah I did notice all their GPUs follow that ratio.

 

I got a 770M in my Dell M6700 which is great. I'm looking at a 870MX would TDP be about 75 instead of 100 like the 870M do you guys think?

Also do you think MXM 3.0B will still be used with this line of cards?

 

For maxwell it should be. For broadwell maybe not! Although I like to hope they keep the MXM 3.0 B form factor and connector and just change a few small things to make it backwards compatible

 

This is very interesting.

There is a rumor going on a chinese MSI forum that MSI GT72 will be listed both with GTX 970M and GTX 980M on October 11th.
The NDA might end then.

Makes sense regarding the October availabilty I talked about earlier. Cheers

 

Well... let's see if that 980M is gonna be 100W and better than the 780Ms in every respect =D

 

Let say it does come out would the current MSI GS60/70 Stealth Pro, Gigabyte 35w v2 and its barebone variants be able to have a 970M? Or no due to needing a new motherboard to take advantage of the new architect?

 

It will be compatible. The socket did not change. It will probably change with Pascal.

 

I`m still guessing GTX 980M will be a 100W GPU based on GTX 880. And GTX 970M will be a 75W GPU based on GTX 870.
I hope I am right because that will put the GTX 980M quite up high in performance since GTX 870 scored X4600 in 3DMark11.

Shouldnt be a problem at all as long as they dont use soldered GPUs

 

Do you think it will come out on the GT70 aswell? (the 980M)

 

Isnt it about time they concentrate on the GT72 and remove the GT70 from the market dont you think?

 

I'd be more worried about being locked out due to BIOS issues.

 

New generation machines usually have different connectors.

 

Care to share more about that?

 

The BIOS probably would simply prevent you from putting in a non-supported card.

 

the gs60 already has a mobo with the 850m which is maxwell. So when needed the rewiring of the mobo should be faster or so I think.

the p35w v2 on the other hand doesnt have a maxwell model, and thus should suffer more. however gigabyte was one of the first OEMs that made the maxwell gpus available


basically the main problem here is the wiring of the mobo and what needs to be changed to support the new gpu arch.

in the soldered gpu realm thats what matters

 

I'm really glad that nVidia decided to focus mobile first- this may provide us with the last true 100% gains generation. (Or hopefully close...)
I also hope it lights a fire under AMD's butt and they get it together!

 

Doesnt look like the lack of competition from AMD is stopping Nvidia no.
It looks like AMD and Nvidia have shifted roles though. AMD was almost always first with new architectures earlier, now it seems Nvidia is leading the pack. Someone got to take the first step I guess.

Not sure what I will call the M295X though. The cards are still in the air about that one, but doesnt look very promising.

 

I want AMD to bring out something amazing though. I want them to try to take back the mobile market from nVidia. In most desktop forums when someone wants power, they just throw R9 280X or R9 290X cards at people for good prices and most people I see just consider nVidia overpriced, whereas here we NEED to have nVidia for the good stuff. Anybody with crossfire 7970Ms or an Enduro laptop from 2012 or so will probably never want to go back to AMD in the mobile market.

So let's see AMD bring the thunder, the fire, the water, the army of cows, let them bring everything.
As for nVidia, I don't want a 680M-esque card with such limited memory, and I don't want a 880M overheat-central-with-crash-flags card. Then, we'll be set for a nice long time =D. Hopefully both companies can pull through and provide a healthy competition scale on the mobile market. I am about 300% certain the 880M would have been a fantastic and perfectly amazing card with 0 issues had there been something even close to 780M power from AMD

 

My 7970m crossfire was OK there was nothing inherently bad about it that made me hate amds guts. There was this weird issue though where it looked like one frame was sliding down in front of the other frame with horizontal bars running across the screen that only showed itself in certain games..

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hehehe, we are getting close to GTX 880. This is a sure sign

Overclockers UK (which is a retailer) is now dumping the price on GTX 780 as well as bundling games along with it to get rid of stock.

** HOT GTX 780 DEALS - LIMITED STOCKS! ** - Overclockers UK Forums

EDIT: Amazon too
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1/186-5542071-2308469?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gtx%20780&sprefix=gtx+78%2Caps

 

That's because AMD's drivers back then were a mess in regards to frame pacing in CrossFire. They still haven't fixed it in DX9 games and probably never will.

 

That was how CrossfireX rendered your game in the past, and should not happen now. It's the frametime difference that people started making a huge deal about recently. CrossfireX previously rendered a small square of your screen, approximately 1/2 the pixels, on 1 card, and the L-shaped border to fill the screen was done by the other card, and it could cause green lines or sliding frames.

Again, it shouldn't happen now, but it was a problem in the past I think.

Edit: Also, you're one of the few people I've seen who had dual AMD GPUs in the mobile market who does not dislike them

 

That sounds like some really funky SFR stuff going on there. SLI and CrossFire have both used AFR for years in games.

 

I knew CrossfireX had AFR, but my friend who had dual 7870s showed me how that worked and said that he got issues like that; which is why he sold off his second 7870 and kept it for a year until he got his R9 290. Oh well. This is why I haven't written a crossfire guide. XD.

But still, I was shown and told how it happens by someone who had the cards.

 

It was really weird, it would happen regularly in Payday 2 but most games would be fine. Also the problem would happen pretty much in every game I ran when I output through the mini-displayport to a U2713. Kind of turned me off tbh and I'm not too upset about not having the r2 anymore because of it.

 

Well the big issue with CrossFire in the past was that there no frame metering going on in either hardware or software. Each card would simply render and send its frames to the display as fast as possible with no regard to synchronizing/spacing them out evenly, which is why you had frames colliding/overlapping with each and causing stepped tearing and runts or dropping entire frames altogether. All of which, of course, added more frame time variation on top of what is already inherently present in multi-GPU configurations and contributed greatly to so-called microstuttering. Some games were so bad that they were dropping or runting every other frame, which meant your actual frame rate was half of what was being reported by FRAPS and you were getting an objectively worse experience with CrossFire than with a single GPU.

AMD later added software frame metering through their drivers for pre-GCN 1.1 cards while GCN 1.1 cards additionally have hardware frame metering through XDMA engine. An issue with this is that there is a little bit of overhead as the driver is essentially limiting how fast each card can go in order to smooth out the overall delivery of frames. Absolute performance (how fast the cards can render if completely unfettered) is reduced while actual real-world performance goes up.

SLI hasn't suffered from this problem because Nvidia's had hardware frame metering on their cards since G80.

Yep, and Payday 2 is DX9 so frame pacing has always been broken in it.

 

So do you guys trust me about GTX 980M and GTX 970M now?
Desktop will also be on the 900 series along with mobile

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September 9-10th is when Nvidia will have the big announcement. Put a big cross on your calender. We are veeeeery close