Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

That last bit probably will never happen on the AW because it'll never last any amount of time on battery. A lot of people with AWs still take it around and use it on battery, and the desktop CPUs drain even 12 cell, 98KWh batteries in about 1 hour. That's coming from experience here with my D900F; far less the 6-cell and 8-cell batteries we get these days. Even if you could disable the video cards, the CPU is a power guzzler, being the extreme type.

Maybe they could strip away unnecessary things if there are some (and I'm sure there are, somewhere) and improve it all, but I don't think replacing their only SLI model with something like the P570WM is a good idea. Maybe if it was a separate model... sure. I'd roll with that, and Mr. Fox would probably do seven backflips of joy.

 

so a p570wm would basically run out in like 10 min when gaming?

 

That's for sure.

 

~30 mins. Battery can't put out enough power fast enough to die in 15. But this is assuming a top-condition 12-cell battery.

 

Buy cheap from US compared to the country you live in. Have great margins when you are selling.
Buy cheap from your own country through various discounts. Have great margins when you are selling.

AW18 is atleast $1000 cheaper for the same specs now than it were a year ago when I bought mine. And I didnt buy mine the month it came out when it of course is very expensive.
Thats what p*ss me off

 

If the Asus G760 replaced the brushed aluminum hand rest with matte it'd be an instant buy for me. Hate finger print magnet materials.

 

You should try the wonderful rubber palmrest Alienware use....

 

Do you guys think that the next GT72 will cost 3400 in US???
That would be like a 1000 more than the GT72 010!!!

 

I have an AW R1 M14, for how much I paided for this? Never again.

 

Where did you get such a silly notion? Don't tell me you're converting to USD from an obscure currency.

 

oops dp...

 

hahahah no! Someone said that it would cost 3400

 

hahaha

you are doing as kevin said.

 

hahahahah maybe....
Aeeee BR!!!! Sou br tambem

 

I've been thinking and 850/860m maxwell are supposed to have really good overclocking potential right? Nvidia was launching the 970-980m after hearing AMDs new models which appear to be a complete flop. So its unlikely they will try to give any better than they need to. But its rather late to make actual changes.

So my thought is they would have raised the base clock on the GPUs if AMD had a competitive option. Since AMD didn't we might get chips that are actually almost underclocked with huge overclocking potential?

The other possibility I see is for them to just raise the price due to lack of competition.

Or of course they could just try to put out a completely dominate chip for a decent price to wreck AMDs market share? This seems unlikely due to the past pricing from them we have seen though.

 

Apparently, if you do the math, the Maxwell cards get somewhere around 1.6x or so the performance of Kepler core-to-core, clock-to-clock. So a... 1800 core 980M would perform about as good as a 780Ti or so. It depends, and we'll need to see how things work, but with how cool and such Maxwell seems to be, we might have solid cards on our hands.

 

didn't saw that, so you are doomed, it would cost U$4000 for us at least.

 

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Lol, good chance to plan a trip to the states then
I think we might get around 2800~3000 usd for those specs. Lower priced SKUs should appear in the near future with the existing 4710HQ CPU, a 970m GPU and a 128GB SSD or with a DVDRW in place of the BDRW. Time will tell.
I'm not getting a new rig right now (tight on budget hehe). I'm sourcing a card and selling the 780m

@Kevin
Btw, it was I who said it would cost 3400usd based on the price the Bangladesh reseller was stating. I was being sarcastic however LOL.

@D2Ultima
I hope that remains valid for the second gen. Maxwell too. Even 780 non ti level of performance would be enough of an upgrade over the 880m (also considering efficiency and stability too).

 

The only thing 2nd gen maxwell should do is lower nm process, allowing more cores while producing less heat. Power consumption probably would rise to Kepler levels at that point, but performance-wise it should outstrip it all. Look at 40nm Fermi --> 28nm Kepler's jump. 28nm Kepler --> 28nm Maxwell won't be THAT amazing, but 28nm kepler --> 20nm Maxwell may very well be.

 

Performance wise Maxwell should be about 1.35x Kepler. Source

 

Asus lists desktop GTX 980 and 970 cards

EDIT: Welp, this doesn't sound too promising...

Source

So it sounds like 980 could be in between 780 and 780 Ti (at stock anyway). I guess I may have to hold off just a wee bit to see how these things overclock before deciding to pull the trigger. That said, $499 for 780 Ti like performance (after OC) is still nothing to scoff at.

 

He said it replaces the GTX 780. Duh? He's telling us things we already know. That means there will be a 980Ti to replace the 780Ti. That article also says, "He did not comment on performance." You can't draw a conclusion about the performance of a card from that, LOL. Well, I suppose you can, but you'd be wrong.

 

I'm just saying the 980 may not quite be the 780 Ti killer that some (most?) of us would like to believe...

680 Ti doesn't exist but we had a 690, yet there's no 790. You can't say for sure there'll be a 980 Ti.

 

Wasup friends brs.
Yup, I'm brasileiro tambem hahaha

 

I think he was hinting about a 980Ti with more cores than 980, which will replace GTX 780Ti.
That he says 980 for sure is faster than 780 could still mean it beats 780Ti, but not by very much. For that you need the 780Ti.
And this is good news for us mobile users because 680M was based on the 670, not the 680 which was a full GK104. That didnt happen until 780M released a year after.
GTX 980 = GTX 980M
GTX 980 Ti = GTX 980MX or whatever it will be called in 2015.

 

Pffft that's because Nvidia pulled a coup with first-gen Kepler. You had GK104, which was supposed to be a 660/660 Ti level product, end up as the 680. Big die Kepler got delayed a generation until the Titan and 780 series came out, and GK100 got renamed to GK110. So 690 wasn't supposed to exist either, much less whatever the heck 680 Ti could possibly have been, as 680 was already the full-blown GK104 part.

And BTW, Titan Z is the 790.

So yeah, I'm wouldn't be surprised at all if midrange GM204 can't defeat big Kepler, much less on the same 28nm process, as that's not what history tells us is supposed to happen. That job is left for big Maxwell GM100/110, which will undoubtedly end up in a Titan 2 or 1080 or something like that. And there won't be a 980 Ti either if 980 is a fully unlocked GM204.

As for laptops, they still get the mid-sized die as the flagship, same as it's been for the last 8 years since Nvidia moved to its big die strategy on desktops (G84, G92, GF104, GF114, GK104, GM204,...). We'll probably never see another big die on mobile again as the last one, GTX 480M AKA big daddy Fermi GF100, was a disaster.

 

Actually that news sounds really great to me. The main advantage for maxwell on 28nm is you get a MUCH lower TDP on a similar power chip, its overall efficiency is up about 85% (45w 860m maxwell is 10% > 75w 860m kepler). On desktop GPUs the main limiting factor is die space since you more or less have unlimited power and far higher cooling potential, so it is unlikely to get huge gains till 20nm process (still maybe even 10-30% at 28nm but unlikely to double). At 20nm though it should have room for nearly double the transistor count on a same size die, since it is presently only about 55% TDP a true doubling might actually happen.

Mobile products on the other hand tend to be limited by TDP and cooling systems not so much by how much can be crammed onto the die. so we might see a 980m with performance on par with a 780 desktop processor or at least close enough it could easily overclock to that level.

 

What I used to determine the difference was how nVidia said 1 x 128 SP GM = 0.90 x 192 SP GK, as well as comparing the 860M to some of the other mobile chips out there (even though there isn't a super close chip performance-wise)

From what I've seen, it's fairly true though. 960 core Kepler (5 x SMX units) is roughly equivalent to 640 core maxwell (also 5 x SMX units; maybe with maxwell taking a bit of an edge), except that maxwell draws less power and runs cooler and is more overclockable. If that's the case, a 1800 core or so Maxwell GPU should be more or less equal to a 780Ti; maybe a little weaker give or take. If this is actually the case, we might see some POWERFUL notebook hardware. Even if it was less than we anticipated, it should still be quite a nice boon.

Now if we see something like a 2000 core chip or something. Well then. =D.

 

GeForce GTX 980 starts listing in pricewatch engines

Chip: GM104 "Maxwell"
Memory: 4 GB GDDR5, 256bit
Shader units / TMU / ROP: 2560/160/64
Fab: 28nm
Shader model 5.0
Interface: PCIe 3.0 x16
Slot: dual-slot
Power: 2x 6-pins PCIe

 

Unfortunately those specs have been on that site for some time. 23/8 it was updated.
The card was only listed at some retailers yesterday so I dont fully trust those specs.

But it will be pretty interesting if true

I too think the GTX 980M will be around GTX 780 Ti +/-10% or so
This graph I made out of some rumors earlier seems very close to the target I think.

 

Performance wise def below 780 Ti. Not to mention 8GB versions are also speculated for release.

https://translate.googleusercontent...34880/&usg=ALkJrhhJnVQrKExmgqQGl4RDDmumNDxvgw

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 and 980 to have 4GB initally and 8GB models later

 

If it was 2560 core, it would spank the GTX 780 Ti.
2560 x 1.35 = 3456 cores

GTX 780Ti
2880 cores

Also the sites quoting Gibbo from overclockers UK is taking what he said out of context. He have never said the GTX 980 doesnt beat GTX 780 Ti.

 

A bit different time schedules here, but its coming





This one mention September 8th. Remember the rumored event on September 9th? Could be related.

 

I'm going to laugh if desktop 980 actually loses out to 980M in performance. Yes I know Maxwell was supposed to be "mobile first" but it makes no sense for the desktop part to perform less. I suspect the graph showing 980M beating 780 Ti may actually be the desktop 980 instead.

 

Would NVIDIA actually release info on high-end Maxwell so close to Apple's iPhone 6 event? I know which I'm personally more hyped for but wouldn't they risk being heavily overshadowed by Apple's monstrous marketing machine in the general tech media?

Hope I'm wrong.

 

I'm pretty sure desktop 980 will outperform 780ti - 780ti is only 10-20% faster than a 780 depending on the game, so I reckon 980 will outdo 780ti by a good margin. Traditionally x70 desktop chips of the next generation have outperformed previous gen x80 chips by 5-25% when comparing 400 through 700 series, which would add even more weight that the 980 will be faster than the 780ti if they want the 970 to be faster than the 780 too while still having decent performance gap between the 980 & 970. Haha, the comparisons are getting complicated!

 

Yea from what I am hearing desktop 980 outperforms 780ti by a small margin. The price difference between the two is where the value lies.

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Totally different markets I really don't see any overlap at all

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Here's what the first search found for me http://www.redgamingtech.com/nvidias-gtx-980-maxwell-slower-gtx-780-ti-8gb-model-coming-later/

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There the author says the 980 will likely be slower than 780ti, but if you look at the rumoured specs of the chips they posted, then the specs of the 980 show it's gonna be faster than the 780ti - so that article has contradictory info in my eyes. Also the rumoured specs of the 970 in that article show it to be likely faster than the 780ti - based on a 1.3 times increase in efficiency per core for Maxwell (think we worked out that figure in the thread earlier).

 

How much difference is there between a GTX 750 Ti and GTX 860M?

GTX 860M: 5000 3DMark11
GTX 750 Ti: 5500 3DMark11
10%

Say a GTX 980 is 10-20% faster than GTX 780 Ti. Or 30-40% faster than GTX 780.

I think you have the answer there

 

Gigabyte lists desktop 980 and 970

So apparently custom 980 is going to be delayed because of design issues. Kinda makes me want to wait a bit before jumping on the Maxwel bandwagon. Or maybe I should just buy a puny 750 Ti and tweak/break my 4930K while I wait...

 

That would be 100 percent more performance than an 880m

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In the meantime while using our 1080p displays and waiting for Maxwell, desktop get 5K displays. So freaking unfair.

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That's 55 inches and mostly meant for conference rooms etc.

 

No, it is 27 inches

 

Lemme guess, only supports 30Hz amirite

 

Yeah I would ignore that article the author clearly is spouting out his . He makes Gibbo's comments out to say something totally different than he said. Then says rumored stats say it will be weaker and lists stats that would make it FAR more powerful. I cannot imagine Nvidia making the 970 be 30%+ more powerful than the 780ti. Theoretically the 980 might be but the 970 I doubt.

 

Man, 3K is enough for laptops and even most desktops. 4K is quite hard hitting, and 5K even moreso. Hell, it's even more taxing that 3 monitor 1080 setup.

I want 980m now!

 

Well give me 1600p++. I dont care. I just want something new on that front.
How long is it since we got our first 1080p displays for 17"?

Touchpads, mobile phones, 13", 14", 15", they all have higher res than 1080p. While we are sitting here with our 17/18" power horse that can actually drive these displays properly, but do we get any?

Screw the industry