Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

Kepler 860M is GK104 with 1152 cores (aka GTX 760 base). I can't find the specs easily; my WORD it is difficult to find those specs. For all I know, you may be right about it being on a 128-bit mem bus, but that would be really really stupid. The bandwidth would suck for filling up that large of a memory buffer.

 

If it was the full 760 it would outperform 880M.

760:



860M:



BTW there are 4GB Maxwell 860M cards as well. Frame buffer size doesn't tell you which arch it is, core clock is easier to differentiate between the two.

 

Wikipedia is actually surprisingly useful (and accurate) when it comes to GPU specs. Of course when in doubt verify with another source.

 

Actually I can find quite a few errors in the Nvidia and AMD GPU master lists, I'm just not bothered enough to try to correct them. And I believe Wikipedia makes you jump through a bunch of hoops now to edit entries?

 

If it's not a protected article then no.

I'm sure there are bound to be errors in a master list the goes all the way back to the first release series.

 

It's the 9th! Of course, I guess we have to wait for the Americas to catch up before whatever secret sauce is revealed to us. Please don't be wrong about this Cloudfire!

 

C'mon, 680M and to some extent 780M were Gold!

 

Or else!....

 

I always use english wiki for getting information about mobile Nvidia GPUs so please edit it if you found errors.
It should be fairly easy because some time ago I saw how article about Ukraine's plane was edited back and forth from real 5km attack heigh and max high of 7km to fake 10km attack high.
I recall funny mem that days: "Dear FSB (KGB), could you please upgrade my old Nokia? I want it to have Wi-Fi and camera with more megapixels. TNX!"

 

Is the announcement expected to be done at GameStop 2014?

 

I've never seen a 4GB 860M maxwell... every time I've heard of the 4GB 860M in a machine it's been kepler, and the 2GBs have been maxwell. Also, if you look at the core count for the 860M kepler in the same pics you posted, it's got 1152 cores (though the memory bus appears to be 128-bit, which was indeed dumb). In terms of core ability, it's basically a 760's core. The memory and low core clocks are a real shame though; I would rather the maxwell chip if that was the case.

As for the 880M being beaten by a 760... there is no way that a 880M running at 954 stock will be beaten by any stock 760 (at its 1033MHz boost clock), unless a game somehow decides that the extra 32GB/s mem bandwidth that the 760 has at stock is enough to clear the otherwise fairly large 23% bonus in speed the 880M has over it in core clock potential (assuming 1033MHz constant 760 and 954 constant 880M).

edit: Also, nVidia has NO IDEA what the hell their mobile chips apparently are. According to them, the 8GB 880Ms, 6GB 870Ms and 4GB 860Ms don't exist >_>

 

is this event today being streamed? cloud you got a link?

 

See here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Lenovo/IdeaPad_Y50/gpu1.png
Source: Lenovo IdeaPad Y50 Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

 

lol you guys.
I wrote about this earlier in this thread. The 9-10th date reveal was most likely postponed to the event thats happening September 18th.
In the source code of the Game24 homepage you find "Maxwell is coming" ( click here), so thats the event to watch

Turn On, Tune In, Geek Out at GAME24 | NVIDIA Blog

 

Kepler 860m is a GTX760 with same TMU, half rops and reduced memory bandwidth both in bus and speed, averaging less than half of the memory bandwidth of the GTX760.

However, when overclocked, it also can reach near 870m, but not quite as an overclocked maxwell 860m. Anyways all in all, it is a super castrated GTX760.

MSI GS series use the kepler 860m.

 

GTX 860M (Kepler) is a crappy GPU. Its horrible.
128bit bus with 1152 cores. The previous GPUs Nvidia used 128bit on was GK107 GPUs with 384 cores. 768 >> 960 core GPUs pretty much all have 192bit.

 

Yeah. They simply tried to bruteforce the midrange with lots of raw power, bottlenecked everywhere. Thankfully they released the maxwell variation. Why have bottlenecked, inefficient power if you can make it a compelling package?

 

I blame Apple.

 

First post in this thread update with pretty much all we know thus far. Please refer people to that post if they are complaining about the thread is too big

 

MSI Maxwell GT72 notebooks finally listed in MSI product database. Only a matter of time now

 

So they didnt changed the CPU?

 

Looks like they are sticking to 4710HQ yes. The RAM and amount of SSDs seem to change between the SKUs. The specs are directly from MSI so they are as legit as you get it.
They could perhaps change CPU in the last minute I guess, but the GTX 970M and 980M are now 100% confirmed.

Wonder if that CPU is capable of bottlenecking the GPU in some scenarios. After all, its pretty much a GTX 780 we are looking at here more or less

 

I think that CPU would be a fine match with it. (Except for the odd game which would already be CPU limited with that same CPU and a 780M for example.)

 

I am more alarmed at the downgrade in wifi connectivity. 4710HQ should be more than enough for the GPU. 3.5ghz intel quad core is nothing to laugh at.

 

Are you guys sure? I understand a desktop CPU can drive a GTX 780 just fine, but they are like 95W++. 4710HQ 47W.
I just wonder how it will do in very demanding games. Or BF4 with 64 players and such.

Then imagine two GTX 780s in SLI. Like Alienware 18, with say 4700MQ.

 

I'd think 4700MQ would be fine for 780M sli too! Sure, some games might be CPU bottlenecked, but my understanding is that it just comes down to how many frames per second you want to aim at, and then it's also a question of having the GPU power to get there. If you want 120fps in most of your games, then you probably want the best CPU to make sure it's not limiting you. But my understanding is that the frame rate of the game is what will determine the CPU demands - not (directly) the GPU you use. (Increasing fps increases CPU demand). So maybe it's more of a question of whether you're happy with 60fps or 120fps. (Even then, the difference between the performance of the 4700MQ and the top of the range CPU is not going to be enough to make the difference between 60 and 120fps - more like 60fps and 80fps in rare CPU limited scenarios! Because not huge performance differences between the i7 CPUs)

 

Weren't there people just the other day talking about 120 Hz screens in this thread? You'd need a pretty baller CPU, overclocked too, to maintain a high min frame rate.

 

Did Helikido really p*ss you off then!? (Although judging by the quotes you put in your sig it looks like you were p*ssing each other off 50/50!)

 

Don't sweat it Robocop, just made me laugh.

 

Haha, fighting for justice! (or something like that!) ;-)

 

DirectX 12 may help somewhat.

 

I also heard DX12 will unlock 4K Ultra 120 FPS mode on Xbone. Crazy, right?

 

Stock for stock 4710HQ is about on par with an i5-4670K, faster when it comes to multithreading (thanks to HT), slower in single threaded tasks. It's fine for driving a single desktop 780 equivalent GPU. In SLI it might become an issue.

 

So if you go over to the GS60 page, the 3k versions at the bottom are going to have a 980M? What? Or might 2QE mean 970M?

 

Looks like there is no more choice from MSI for laptops with top end GPU without 256gb of memory and 10 SSD..

 

You can always wait for barebone versions when they launch, or talk to resellers whom might help you reduce the specs. Those specs are made that way just to charge more regardless of the model you choose. I don't mind, but I can see how it can be annoying, specially if you own the required parts.

Wait for a barebone of any brand and build it yourself!

 

There won't be a barebone with a 980M saldy, the MSI barebone are never available with high end GPU.. so I think it will be a Clevo..

 

Interesting.
But just because the display can`t show 120FPS doesnt mean the GPU won`t process all those frames. So there may be some few scenarios where a 4710HQ might bottleneck the 980M unless you cap it at 60FPS, is that what youre saying.
It looks like 980M will surpass even GTX 780M SLI in games where they dont scale too well, which is why I was sceptical.

You guys are probably right, it will probably do just fine.

Yeah that will be a nice little upgrade me thinks. Release games on it already

Read the first post. There is a link to that notebook there.
It got GTX 970M

I hear you. The cheapest GT72 with 880M cost $2499 today. I expect the 980M SKUs to have the same price tag. Not exactly cheap.
I think I bought my GT70 with GTX 680M for $1999. They should bring in SKUs like that.

 

I've been lurking this thread religiously since nearly the beginning (there used to be another thread which I was following before the conversation seemed to move to here), about the time I started seriously considering a new laptop. I used to be really 'into' building desktop computers back when the Geforce 7800 GTX only just came out. Starting/finishing Uni and then getting established in a new job really put me out of the loop. I've been following hardware news almost daily since the 7970M's came out yet timing was never good for me to get a new laptop. Needless to say, it's been a very long wait. I was set on buying the Schenker C504 here XMG C504 15.6" Core Gaming Notebook since I first noticed it on their website (maybe in June?) but week after week it was constantly out of stock and now it just says plainly not available. It seemed good. Would rather have it in the 17 inch display. This is probably a good thing because I was going to buy it as soon as it went 'in stock' with a 870m.

Very relieved that I never bought it, as I would have got it entirely at the wrong time with 970m/980m coming out so soon. My question is what are some other good alternative brands? I like the customisation of the Clevo's (but I probably won't go for SLI only because it'll likely be prohibitively expensive, if if I were getting two 980's Id rather that they be Pascal edit: I think i mean GM200) but I've heard they, and the MSI's, are generally pretty quite loud machines. I've read ASUS are good for low noise and efficient cooling, same with the AW17/18's - which are ridiculously expensive in the UK. I'll also ask MySN if they'll be refreshing the C504 with the new Maxwell's. I basically want to be a first adopter for the 980m because I've been without a decent gaming desktop/laptop for the past 7 years.Is it sensible to assume that these hardcore laptops like the AW18 or the ASUS's might actually get thinner given that the Maxwell's will presumably produce less heat and require less cooling? I'm probably going to spend something like £1,500-2,000. Obviously near impossible to tell now given Maxwell is not actually out yet, but if you have any recommendations on some particular laptops/model numbers that would be a good purchase if refreshed with the 980m then I'll keep an eye out on those and follow them. In the meantime I'll look more into the MSI series since that seems to be popular here.

 

My experience:

MSIs newest GT72 machines have excellent cooling compared to GT70. Both good temps and low noise. Extremely easy to upgrade and is basically a plug and play with new hardware (most new stuff is supported without any hitch)

Asus probably have the best cooling system, but you can forget about upgrading the GPU in the future since they use their own weird MXM modules that noone sells. Also they are a pain in the behind to repaste.

Clevo machines offer very good bang for the bucks, have ok cooling and is great to both repaste and upgrade as long as the bios doesnt get in the way for non stock video cards.

Alienware have good cooling, offer great upgradeability, is very overpriced but you get good warranty coverage that none of the other brands can remotely come close to. Its a pain to repaste and clean though (AW18).

 

To respond to the bit in bold. Kind of what I'm saying, that could happen. My main points are really 3 points:
1) Increasing frame rate increases CPU demand. (You get the increased framerate through turning down graphics settings or buying a faster GPU)
2) In terms of i7 mobile CPU's since Sandybridge, most games are not CPU limited at 60fps, but more may become so when trying to hit 120fps.
3) The difference in performance between the i7 mobile CPU's is not a big difference. Various CPU Benchmarks show a maximum of 30% increase in performance from 4700MQ to 4930MX - therefore in hyperthetical CPU limited areas in games then you might see 30% higher framerate with 4930MX, e.g. like going from 60 to 80fps.

So, for those 3 reasons there's not much point getting a top of the range i7 CPU ($1000) when you can choose an i7 that costs just one third of the price. (But if those few extra frames are important to you in a quest to stay as close to 120fps as possible, then it's worth it).

 

Yep, agree with #3. The CPU can help, and does from time to time. In those very intense scenes in BF4 when things explode, the 4930MX does handle the FPS dip better. I've noticed this from personal experience, having owned the 4700MQ, 4810MQ, and 4930MX. Otherwise, you'll probably never notice the difference while gaming. Obviously, rendering, video editing, etc. is improved because it is unlocked, but it is also extremely hot when overclocked.

Those who own an SLI system with the 4700MQ/4710MQ may experience CPU bottleneck if you upgrade to 980M SLI, assuming the rumors are true about their performance increase. Unlikely, but I would think it would be possible in some titles.

 

Thanks for the info CloudFire, any word on 15" MSI notebooks with 980m?

 

GT60 will obviously have 970M and 980M SKUs.

 

I'm calling bs. The method they're using for predicting the score is deliberately contrived. The fact that they are making this up from whole cloth is omitted - they're making it out as if they've run a real benchmark. It seems they're assuming the scores based on the clock speeds if it would run on a desktop chipset. If only things worked like that. What will be interesting, though, is if the newer chipsets can stay on the same energy draw as the high end maxwell cards, and still produce say a 20% increase.

I'd be more interested in news about the low-end variants, though.. the ones in about 30w packages. If these had anything remotely in the same general mountainrange of percentage increase in performance as this stuff suggests, it'd be a small revolution in mobile gaming.

 

Not sure if anyone's still interested but here's some more benchmark's I managed to scrape from 3dmark. All benched over the last few days including today.

Code:

GPU	GPU Score	Core clock	Memory bus clock	CPU
GTX 970 	11734	 1,203 MH	 1,800 MHz	 Intel Core i7-3770K Processor   
GTX 970 	12097	 1,255 MH	 1,800 MHz	 Intel Core i7-3770K Processor   
GTX 970 	7877 	 1,307 MH	 1,800 MHz	 Intel Core i7-3770K Processor   
GTX 970M 	7354 	 924 MHz 	 1,253 MHz	Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz  
GTX 970M 	7375 	 924 MHz 	 1,253 MHz	Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz  
GTX 970M 	7381 	 924 MHz 	 1,253 MHz	Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz  
GTX 980 	11758	 1,127 MH	 1,753 MHz	 Intel Core i7-4770K   
GTX 980 	11913	 1,127 MH	 1,753 MHz	 Intel Core i7-4770K   
GTX 980 	12629	 1,178 MH	 1,753 MHz	 Intel Core i5-3450 Processor   
GTX 980 	12755	 1,127 MH	 1,753 MHz	 Intel Xeon Processor E3-1230   
GTX 980 {x2}	18814	 1,127 MH	 1,753 MHz	 Intel Core i7-5960X   

unsorted links:

Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon Processor E3-1230,ASRock Z77 Pro4-M
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4770K,MEDION MS-7849
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4770K,MEDION MS-7849
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P17SM-A
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P17SM-A
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3770K Processor,ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P17SM-A
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3770K Processor,ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i5-3450 Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8Z77-V
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3770K Processor,ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P17SM-A
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-5960X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. X99-DELUXE

 

depends on what you are aiming for, 60 fps is well enough with a 4710hq.

 

with all the hype going for 970m and 980m, what about the mid-range 960m and 950m? I will laugh so hard if it's a gm107 rebrand

 

Although, comparing the following 2 results from your list above the results seem a bit incongruous:
Desktop GTX 970 at 1307Mhz! ( 7877 Firestrike GPU score): Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3770K Processor,ZOTAC ZT-Z77Crown-U1D
Mobile GTX 970 M at 'only' 924Mhz ( 7380 Firestrike GPU score): Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P17SM-A

There's just not a big enough gap between the two scores, especially given the amazingly high 1307Mhz core clock on the desktop 970 - I wonder if this brings into question the validity of the scores that we've been seeing!? Any thoughts? (Unless the desktop 1307Mhz overclocked run just throttled like crazy due to power or temperature restrictions due to having a ridiculously high overclock?)

(I haven't compared any of the other scores for anomalies, but these two jumped right out at me!)

 

Thanks Cloudfire. I didn't realise there was such a difference between the GT70 and 72, and had no idea that ASUS has a different MXM module - in fact that might put me off going with ASUS and focus my attention elsewhere. I'm happy that you've pointed out the 72 is easy to upgrade, as I've never upgraded a laptop before aside from installing a new SSD or extra RAM. I was initially chasing a thinner laptop as my requirements are very minimal (no SLI, no optical drive, only 1 SSD and storage drive, 1 GPU), but at the end of the day I will always go for something that has sufficient cooling. The last thing I want is to sink a whole bunch on money into something that has throttling issues, though Maxwell hopefully mitigates that and allows for more portable laptops to operate without too much throttling.