Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

I think so too , especially since The 390X is rumored to have a liquid cooler to cool it :/.

 

I mean amd needs something REALLY amazing this time to bring themselves back in the game... as of now I think tonga is basically irrelevant

 

If anyone missed it the reference GTX 980 can over-clock stable out of the box by 25%. Thats just pop it into your computer go into the gpu settings and crank up the speed, no cooling mods or anything.

Edit: I should note its a single sample can't guarantee every single 980 will be that great.

 

I think the only real notable improvements between top-tier Kepler and first-gen Maxwell are the significantly reduced power draw, by nearly 100W vs. 780 Ti, and the inclusion of 3 display ports, oh and the price/performance ratio is excellent. If you have been waiting for Maxwell, now might be the time to upgrade, but if you just recently picked up top-tier Kepler there really isn't a reason to upgrade just yet (unless you desperately want to get 3 monitors going in surround with 2 GPU's).

Performance-wise, 980 isn't head-and-shoulders above 780 Ti, for reference have a look at the Firestrike Extreme score in my signature (10,123) vs. that of 10,300 of the 980 (SLI).

Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 SLI / 3-way SLI / 4-way SLI review - Benchmarks: 3DMark Fire Strike (Extreme) | Hardware.Info United States

Granted this is with the clocks at 1105/1254 boost/1900 memory but was accomplished on the default EVGA SC vbios with default voltage. In fact, these clocks are very close to that of the reference 980 default clocks.

The only rabbit Nvidia pulled out of the hat here is that they managed 780 Ti level performance with nearly 100 less watts, which is very impressive.

Other thoughts, where is 22nM?

Summary, if you are still in 600' series land, yes now might be the time to upgrade but if youre sitting with a pair of Titan's or 780 Ti, wait about two-three years for 980 Ti, presumably on 22 nM.

 

OK, all this talk about desktop is cool and all but... where are the 980M/970M?!

Still over 19 hours to go... this is gonna be a looong day!

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...x-980m-970m-maxwell-officially-announced.html

 

Vulcan, long time no see. How's life treating you, man?

I agree regarding the new cards. The fact that they barely beat out last-gen's flagships (GK110/Hawaii) stock-for-stock isn't entirely unexpected, but still deflating. It means that all AMD has to do to remain competitive is drop prices. I don't want a third 28nm GPU, so I'll probably sit this round out and wait for the real innovation to take place with 20nm/16nm GM200/210.

 

I don't think owners of 780Ti need to invest in the 980. There are minor performance improvements, just cooler and quieter and many features that may not be relevant to most gamers at this time. But for anyone with GTX 780 or slower/older, this will be a significant improvement.

 

It looks like current Maxwell chips are mostly awesome performance wise for us mobile users.
Because they managed to cut power consumption and heat so drastically compared to Kepler, they can "spend" all of this toward a mobile performance beast.

Desktop however are still hindered by the GM204 die size. GTX 780 Ti owners will need to wait for a GM200 thats bigger and contain more Maxwell cores. A 250W Maxwell GM200 will beat GK110 (780 Ti) by a good margin. I don`t think its that far away.

To me GTX 970 and 980 makes most sense for GTX 680 and GTX 770 owners. Which is why Nvidia made comparison against GTX 680 in the marketing slides. GTX 970 SLI however will be a great deal faster than GTX 780 Ti and still cheaper. So for those who can fit two cards in their rig, its undoubtly a good upgrade. Not just performance wise, but also for their PSU due to low power consumption and it should run cool and quiet.

Either way, GTX 970 and GTX 980 should cater for a ton of people. Even those who bought AMD cards earlier should find the 970 very interesting because it offer more performance/dollar than AMD cards.

 

Makes sense. You are getting a better card when you consider power and other factors. Would be pissed if i was a 780Ti user to get a new card with lot more performance. Also the ratio of those people immediately upgrading to newest card is relatively low. This way they can use this card for the next 2 years bringing out 980ti etc till we get a new chip.

But yeah this is great for mobile users. I am ready to give away my money

 

When can I buy a 980m laptop?

 

Why isn't the 980m and 780m listed on the nvidia website yet?

 

Patience is your best friend right now new notebook SKUs should start appearing next month probably with mid october availability I think.

I'm waiting for a 980m and a pair of Micron M600 mSATA too

 

Should I get a bulky 980m or a sleek 970m? What is the performance difference between the 980m and 970m?

 

What is the difference between 970m and 970m SLI?

Should I get a GS60 970m or a Auros 7 with 970 sli? What's the difference in performance?

 

I'm not a negative Nancy but I am a realistic Ron

 

Mmmmmmkay.

 

970m SLI should give a 75-95% increase in performance in games that can use the SLI (probably 80% of AAA titles, not sure exactly), For games that cannot use SLI if you do nothing you will probably take a 0-20% performance hit. If you however reassign them from SLI mode to one acting as GPU and the other as a dedicated Physx/AA card, then you may still be able to get a 10-50% increase in performance.

SLI does have disadvantages over a single say 30-60% faster card. But comparing it to a single card of the same power its a pretty epic upgrade.
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Both will run hot, in the Kepler versions the Aorus X7 v2 w/ 2x Kepler 860m had a high temperature on the bottom of the case of 65 Celsius under maximum stress for long periods, you can probably cut 5-10 degrees off this for even heavy gaming it will get uncomfortably hot in your lap but not burn you still better to play on a desk. (height x width x depth (in mm): 23 x 428 x 305 :: Weight 3.24 kg Power Supply: 0.81 kg)

On the other hand the MSI GS60 got a high temperature on the bottom of the case of 78 degrees Celsius under heavy stress, this is hot enough to give serious burns within seconds, it will likely run 5-10 degrees cooler in heavy gaming, but this is still hot enough to give minor burns over a minute or so. It should probably run an additional 3-10 degrees cooler with the maxwell 970m, however there is no guarantee, and they may have already modified the cooling system as well. For now I would wait for a new review of this particular laptop however. It also throttled heavily during games before.

 

October, mid-October, Negative Nancy, Realistic Ron..... blah, blah, blah. I predict a shiny new, more powerful, Maxwell GT72, SOON..... sooner than you would think, so stay-tuned HERE.

 

But... I want my maxwell GT72 now!

 

I see. Thank you very much.

I have a question.

Is there a sight that lists which games can utilize SLI and which do not?

For example I play.

BF4
Titan Fall
World of warcraft

Possibly:

EVE Online
CIV 5
Star Citizen

How will SLI help or hurt these games?

I am just wondering because I want a laptop that will get me by for the next few years.

I really want something sleek and sexy over anything else.

I will absolutely not get that ugly Asus g751. That thing looks so gross.

I would get G60 or Razer Blade with 979m.

But if A 7 looks nice and sleek with two 970m?

But if it doesn't help in any of these games I listed. That's a bust.

I mean how many more FPS could I get in BF4 if I dedicate one card as a physics card and use one as a gpu?

 

You will be drooling over my shiny new GT72, soon enough.

 

Ok I tend to use Computer Games on Laptop Graphic Cards - NotebookCheck.net Tech

I am sure there are other sites and this does not hit every game for every card. For the SLI many games are blank that does not mean they do not support SLI, that just means they have not been benchmarked. On the other hand you can tell by how good or bad the FPS on the ones they have tested are.

This obviously does not have benchmarks for the 970m/980m yet however so you can just tell how well the game works with SLI, not the actual FPS you can expect.

Edit:more specifically from that site, BF4 seems to get extremely good SLI scaling it will likely be 80%+ better performance. Titanfall appears to be game limited to 60 FPS and all newer high end GPU's can hit max settings at 60 FPS so can't really tell if it handles SLI, but it also does not matter. WoW, Civ V, Eve-Online are likely similar I bet a single 970m will be able to get higher FPS than your monitor can refresh at, so it will make SLI fairly pointless.

Star Citizen will probably be able to handle SLI from the way they seem to be making it, but its not out yet if it can though it will likely need enough GPU power to make good use of the extra performance.

 

Listen Everyone!

I have created this thread for everyone that wants to help find the next 980m or 970m laptop without spamming this one.

Please check it out and help us find this laptop!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/wha...ad-only-where-find-your-next-laptop-asap.html

There is also a poll!

GTX 980M / 970M / SLI = Dedicated Thread On "ONLY" Where To Find Your Next LapTop! ASAP!

I wanted to create this thread for the purposes on everyone who wants to help the others that want a 980m / 970m / or SLI configuration as soon as possible. Either on Pre-Order or Day of Release.

Please post all links to sites that have any laptop listed with the 900m series Graphics Card.

Please post any information on “Obtaining” one of these laptops by any means necessary.

Yes this thread is for people super excited about getting their new laptop and have nowhere else to go and want to stop spamming other threads about their excitement.

My story is that I personally just bought a 860m Laptop and just returned it against my will. I did this because the leap in performance was too much. I just want to be able to play current games on ultra settings at 60 FPS at 1080p. I know these cards will give that to me for years to come.

As far as I am concerned the first MSI GS60, Razer Blade, or Gigabyte that lets me press the Pre-Order button has my credit card money!

So please let the comments and links come and let’s find one of these laptops ASAP!



Which Manufacture will have a Laptop with a 980m or 970m first?

Asus
Gigabyte
Razer Blade
MSI

 

Here is information about DSR (Dynamic Super Resolution).
Very important to read for everyone thats gonna buy GTX 970M or 980M.
GeForce Experience Introduces Dynamic Super Resolution: 4K-Quality Graphics On Any HD Monitor | GeForce

 

And I downloaded the latest driver 340.11 hoping that DSR would be enabled on my Kepler! Too bad, you have to have a 900 series card for now, but they will be rolling it out to GTX Kepler soon according to an NVidia page I read.

 

Does anyone have any word on when 980M/970M specs will be formally released by NVidia, and when 980M/970M reviews might hit sites like Notebookcheck.net? (Apologies if it's been brought up over the last 24hours, but I couldn't read every post - loads of activity!)

 

No words here, but Im not following the brand-specific forums that closely.

 

Seems to be consistent with the "mobile first" design of Maxwell, since it is clearly laptop users who stand to benefit the most.

If you have a 780 Ti then GM204 barely qualifies as a sidegrade, it really is aimed at those still using the 600 series or god forbid, older Fermi cards. To be fair, the GM204 is still a "midrange chip" (akin to 680 and GK104), and it managing to edge past last gen's flagship full chip while only at 2/3 the TDP is still pretty impressive. A more apples-to-apples comparison would be 780 Ti vs 980 Ti or whatever they decided to call big Max.

 

Will our GTX 870M and 880M support the upgrade to 970M and 980M? I use MS 1763 barebone.

 

Probably yes. Who knows however. The heatsink might need modifications or maybe the card might not boot properly (I'm positive it will)

 

Asked a question on the Nvidia site about the VGXI (the new dynamic lighting method they have)

Voxel scaling might be a big advantage to getting a SLI, if you have more power than you need, just send more power to Lighting.

 

wrong thread

 

Hmm their main guy explaining the whole VXGI was just doing a detailed bit on that moon landing demo.

By chance at the end he pointed out the reflection of Armstong in the other Spacesuits Visor. He specified that was caused by the VGXI, this reflection could only be caused by a third bounce of light (light from sun hits moon, bounces to hit Armstrong, bounces again to hit visor.) I suspect this is something that requires more processing power and most games will not have more than a first bounce, but this does show multiple bounces are supported by the technology.

 

Will a 880m be easy or hard to sell after the release of the 980m? What price do you think a person could sell them for?

 

Don't buy the 880M. Search this forum and you'll know why. That will be a big freaking mistake.

 

Well three things.

1. You didn't answer the question at all.

2. I already have two 880m's.

3. They work fantastic for me and my laptop is quite capable of cooling them. I get no significant throttling, and if I want to OC I can install the modded vbios.

Anyone have any Idea's about the original question?

Thanks

 

Depends on the price? Anything can be easily sold. Thought it was common sense.

The 780M will always be cheaper, and will perform the same or better. So, yeah, might be difficult in that regard. But if you price it right, it will sell.

 

GTX 880M is sold for $850 now
GTX 980M will probably cost $900 and 880M will reach its end.

GTX 980M is looking to be atleast 60% above 880M in performance. I guess you could get lucky and meet a buyer that havent heard about the 980M, but for those who do, you need to go down in price a lot imo.
Difficult question. $500-600 maybe?

EDIT: You have another problem though which I just thought about: GTX 970M. 20-30% faster than GTX 880M. GTX 870M is selling for $500 so I guess a 970M will cost $550 or something like that.
Yeah you might need to go down below $500 :/

 

Thank you for your reply. I have faith that I may able to change it unless NVIDIA didn't decide shrink the size of the GPUs like they did to Maxwell GTX 860M. 860M's Kepler version is upgradeable but Maxwell version isn't. I really hope this won't be the case for the GTX 970M and 980M because I don't know how to do upgrade GPUs otherwise. Do people know anything about this?

 

Thank you cloudfire, for your polite and cogent response. That was much more helpful than the previous answerer

Are you thinking a basement price on the 880m to be around $600? Because if I can get $1200, it might make sense for me to buy a couple of these badboys when they come out if they live up to everyone's expectations!

 

GTX 970M should be significant cooler than 860M and GTX 980M might be equal to 860M in heat

GTX 970M and 980M will come on MXM cards = Changable for notebooks that use Kepler GTX 860M

Read my edit. You have another problem, GTX 970M.
I think it greatly depends on who your customer is. If you can market the 880M as a gaming beast (which it is) you can perhaps get $600 per card. There are a lot of people who havent even heard about the 900 series. Where are you planning to sell them? Id try to sell them ASAP before 900M is announced by Nvidia. Should make it a little easier.
Ebay sellers are selling the 880M for $850. Sell them now for I dont know, $700, you might get someone on the hook

EDIT: the price have been reduced to $788 now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-880M-8GB-DDR5-for-MSI-Alienware-upgrade-monkey-/251445052078?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3a8b4b02ae

 

Thanks for that, maybe i'll try to sell one of the 880m's for 800 and "suffer" the next month or two with only one of them and sell the 2nd for $500 when the new gen is released. That way I still meet my goal If I can't get 1200 it's not really worth the upgrade for me since the 880's do just fine at any game I throw at them lol. Not to mention I've mostly been playing cookie clicker lately.. ugh...:laugh:

 

A used GTX 880M will sell for at most $650, and that's right now. New ones are $750-$800. You'd be lucky to get $500 2-3 months from now.

 

You should be able to sell both 880Ms and trade them for 2 GTX 970M without loss I think

 

Thanks, I was looking on ebay, and craigslist but I couldn't find any listings. I'm sure the market's change weekly on these based on supply/demand so the price isn't exactly set. Maybe I'm wrong about that though.

EDIT: I see the new cards for the prices you state, so you're probably spot on about all those prices, thank you.

 

But where's the fun in that? :laugh: Logical decisions like that don't make sense to me for this hobby, I like having a big fast gaming machine, so i'll probably have to take out life insurance on my wallet and murder it for a couple 980m's if these cards are really that much faster than the 880m.

 

Thank you, that is a big relief for me.

 

Maxwell should be a ton of fun.
Various reviews show that the desktop cards can reach 1400MHz+ easily. How is that not fun
75W 970M vs 125W 880M.
DSR support
Look at first post under "Update #9". You have some comparisons there between the cards.

But yeah, 980M is a good deal faster than 970M anyway. But they will cost. Choices choices

Remember that the GM204 die is bigger than the GK104 die (GTX 860M) plus VRAM and power phase locations may be different on 970M/980M and 860M MXM cards. So you may need a new heatsink or perhaps it works anyway with maybe stacking thermal pads here and there