Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

I'd get the Gigabyte, I might have considered the MSI but the warranty voiding for repastes would be a No for me. (purely theoretical as don't have a desktop, but have seen reviews of these products.)

 

Guru3D's words about the Gigabyte card confuses me, because I'm not sure if it's 5+1 or 5+2 due to the wording used:

Does that mean an extra phase in addition to the 5+1, or that the +1 is the additional phase?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently the Gigabyte card has 6 phases for the core according to Legion Hardware, and seems to be corroborated by the photos. And that definitely looks like more than 1 phase for the memory. But Gigabye WHY U NO COOL MEMORY MOSFETS??? That would've basically made the card perfect. Ugh.

EDIT: Just to muddy the water even more, I've read that as long as you put the stock cooler back on the MSI card before sending in for warranty, MSI will honor it even if you completely destroyed that warranty sticker. And the general concensus is that Asus support is a sack of bovine excrement, while MSI's is awesome. Now need to find out what Gigabyte's CS is like...

In any case I'm glad I didn't let my excitement get to my head and make an impulse purchase. More waiting and digging will be in order.

 

My bad, I thought you weren't much of a fan of EVGA either.

I'm not interested in 980 for my desktop but when the GM200 cards drop we'll see. I paid 730 bucks for the Ti so I'm not really in a hurry to drop another 600+

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Yeah if you have a 780 Ti there's really no point in sidegrading. That said if you can sell your 780 Ti for the amount needed to buy 2 970s you'd still get a lot more performance.

Anyways I'm gonna take this to a desktop forum and stop crapping this thread. Sorry guys, and please carry on.

 

See ya on OCN.

 

GG EVGA. First the Precision fiasco and now this. They're on a roll.

 

EVGA's new company moddo : Measure once, cut twice.

seriously would not want to be the employee that sent those measurements to manufacturing.

 

That's ridiculous! Wow, Evga. I am disappoint.

 

Looks like EVGA simply slapped on the pre-existing ACX cooler from another GPU instead of creating a custom one for this card. Not the only corner they cut, unfortunately.

 

Pun intended?

 

Actually no.

 

I just took a closer look at this picture, and it appears there's an outer sleeving on the heatpipes. You can look at the other two "normal" heatpipes and see the same sleeving that has just a slightly different luster than the heatpipe. (heatpipe is shiny metallic, sleeving is a bit more dull) This is especially apparently with the heatpipe on the far left, as you can see the conical shape of the heatpipe clearly does not match up with the diameter of the opening.

Seems like it's the sleeving that EVGA crimped shut, and not the heatpipe itself. (or at least I hope for everyone's sake that's the case)

 

The copper heatpipes are nickel coated to prevent oxidation of the copper.

 

Good eyes. I didn't think to zoom in on that last heatpipe but now I see what you're talking about. Can see just a tiny sliver of its end nub poking through the crimped end of the sleeve.

Still doesn't excuse the off-center GPU contact though. What's worse is that this heatsink appears to be a recycled design of last year's GTX 760 ACX (except for the nickel-plated heatpipes), a card which, under load, ran louder than reference, 11 dB louder than the MSI TF2, and hotter than any other non-reference 760 that TPU tested save for the Palit JetStream (which everyone knows is bottom of the barrel). So EVGA has learned nothing from that and is repeating the same mistakes with the 970 ACX.

And there seems to be issues with EVGA's quality control and manufacturing tolerances/consistency as well. Here is a comparison of two identical 760 ACX coolers. One has die contact on all three heatpipes, the other one misses the GPU completely on one heatpipe just like the 970 ACX.

 

Oh those bits that the heat pipe go through are punches through the aluminium fins so that the heat pipe has a flat surface to make contact with. Looks like the heat pipe is a little short on that one and they have been bent inwards. They likely press fit the heat pipes to the punched out bits before soldering.

 

so Scan UK have my laptop back that clevo said is working perfectly as it should.. got ben to run game benchmarks and obviously the
3dmark and vally benchmarks too and the new 880's are doing the same thing lol!

I have been offered a refund and have said I would rather wait till the 980m is released. Will find out today if this is fine. If not I will be getting refund and waiting on new laptop to be released.. stupid cards! hurry up with a date for release!!!

 

Not only that, see that the GPU is on the left two fatter heatpipes, so does it really matter much. But how could they make an open ended heat pipe? They clearly must not have intended to have it filled with its fluid/gas slurry because there's no way that would pass QC, if they're all built like that.

 

1. They did use last years design which just shows how they "care" about customers.
2. But that chip contact is NOT off-centered. The chip itself is too small for that cooling design so the decided to use 2 pipes for 100% instead of just 1. Because other 2 would barely touch the chip on both sides if it was centered.

 

Then why bother with the third? Like, ever?

 

They used a CO prepared for an earlier bigger chip I suppose.
Asus made a mistake with a small AMD chip which had a contact with 3 pipes. It was way hotter because side contacts were awful

ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II | silentpcreview.com

EVGA gave lame respond that 3rd 6mm heatpipe is used as a supplement to the design to reduce another 2-3 degrees Celsius and it was suposed to be so LOL I guess they were supposed to create new radiator design for new chips.
[Discussion] EVGA has responded to complaints about the GTX 970 ACX heatsink. : buildapc

 

The heatpipe is not open-ended. Zoom in on where I circled and you can see its rounded end poking through the crimped aluminum sleeving. Thanks to n=1 for pointing it out.

Yeah they're just brushing this one under the rug again. Typical EVGA canned P R response.

 

It was mentioned somehwere they simply recycled the ACX heatsink for big die Kepler, and so the smaller die only makes contact with 2 heatpipes instead of all 3.

I hate to pile it on but EVGA's response is just typical PR doublespeak. Adjusting the fan curve to make it less noisy at the expense of higher temps is not a fix.

EDIT: Ok so apparently there's coil whine on the EVGA 970 cards now. EVGA what have you done???

 

But... ok, I'm confused now. Is the GM204 chips not much larger than GK104? I thought the die size was actually a bigger thing, and thus the kepler chips should have had use for the 2 heatpipes MUCH more than Maxwell does... so unless something escapes me entirely, I repeat the question: Why use the third heatpipe ever?

 

By big die Kepler I meant GK110.

 

I think there's nothing wrong with the evga heatsink, really. If it manages the heat of the card, I don't see what the issue is other than looking a little shorter than it should. No point in tooling up a whole new heatsink if one off the shelf works just as fine.

 

Now you know why I dislike EVGA. These latest developments are nothing new. They've been cutting corners on their cards for years yet still somehow manage great reviews across the board, which reeks of corruption.

I have no idea which card EVGA could've recycled the heatsink design from. The one they used for the 780 and 780 Ti looks completely different:

Except it's hotter and louder than other non-reference cards, hence performs worse. This isn't the first time they've used this bad cooler, per my previous post:

 

When did EVGA start acquiring their market share? I can honestly say I hadn't even heard of EVGA until recent years. Before it was always the big 3 (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI) plus XFX and Sapphire for ATi cards.

 

Its been a while. My first EGVA card was the 9800 GTX which I still have, although its not being used in any system.

 

EVGA's been around for a long time, although it wasn't until the last few years that they've really taken off. BFG used to be the enthusiast brand of choice for Nvidia cards, after they fell is when EVGA started gaining momentum.

XFX was also big in the Nvidia market back when they were an exclusive partner. IIRC Nvidia cut them off around the same time BFG went down, so that kinda opened the floodgates for EVGA to take over. Nvidia has really stringent requirements for its AIB partners (recent example would be Green Light program), that's why it has a lot fewer than AMD does.

 

Yeah I had a 7900GT from EVGA. I think the 6800 cards were their first real big cards.

I don't know, I'm a fan of EVGA, their warranty mainly. If they make a screwy design decision it doesn't really matter in the end because they'll replace your card with almost no questions asked while others... ehhhh... warranty stickers on the screws says it all.

 

I need to dig up my stash of <del>pr0n</del> computer mags from 2000-2005, because I don't remember BFG at all and XFX being an nVidia exclusive partner is also shocking news to me.

In other words, I have bad memory.

 

EVGA has been around for a LONG time. I believe their first card was the GeForce 256. Here's my EVGA 6600 GT from 2004:

 

Ok so according to Wikipedia EVGA was founded in 1999. I think my question should've been when EVGA started taking off, because as octiceps said seems like it's only in more recent times that they started gaining momentum.

 

I dunno, I've always seen them as a contender since the early GeForce days. Owned a LOT of eVGA, I think my first was a GeForce 4 Ti 4600.

 

Ah the 6600 GT Doom 3 Edition. A legendary price/performance card back in the day.

Right, but they weren't the alpha dog in the Nvidia market back when BFG and XFX were around. Especially BFG as that was generally considered the top enthusiast brand. I remember their cards having some monstrous coolers and equally ridiculous price tags.

 

Yeah that's probably why I steered clear of BFG and XFX. eVGA were always reasonably priced and had a good warranty. I took advantage of it a couple times when the card died and both times they sent me a newer version card, brand new in box...

 

Guys...notebooks please
hahahahaha

 

Yeah warranty is the only thing good about EVGA relative to the competition nowadays.

I believe that discussion has moved here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...x-980m-970m-maxwell-officially-announced.html

We're just biding our time waiting for Maxwell to materialize on notebooks.

 

But desktop review is dead, they have to do it SOMEWHERE =D

 

This was the Sh** ! just look at that cool cooler



And my dad is still using it!

 

This little sucker burned itself to a crisp.



The 7900GT cards were so failure prone, EVGA gave me a 7950GT on advance exchange when the 7900GT blew up. Lol

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I propose we rename this "The Desktop Thread" (at least the last 20 or so pages)

 

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Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Ti / GTX Titan X ‘GM200′ Specs Allegedly Leaked :hi2:

Rumors point out Q4 2014.
"sources inside the industry tell me Nvidia is thinking about porting the circuit to 20nm in 2015" - that sounds nice if true.

It's coming ..

 

Glad to see that I'm not the only one thinking nVidia is going to checkmate AMD with GM200.

Nice find.

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Those specs are no good. There's no way a full GM200 chip will have LESS cores than a full GK110, even if it does have +50% performance boost. Maybe the replacement for the 780 will have 2816 cores and the Titan X or Titan II or whatever will have far more. That seems more plausible.

Unless this whole thing with power drain skyrocketing when using CUDA/OpenCL apps is a thing and a fuller GM200 chip would take way way too much power? SPECULATION BEGINS! Where the hell is Cloudfire?

Also, if AMD brings a hot and power hungry chip to combat/surpass GM204, they will be essentially giving up the mobile market. Which is another problem. Everyone can throw a large chip together and add power, but at a point it becomes redundant. So I hope AMD surprises me.

 

980 is pretty much on par with Titan Black, so if the rumors are true, GM200 will be 50% faster than 980.

Now the important question is, will this end up being 980 Ti or Titan X? I suspect both will be released eventually, but which one first? And what about the price given that the 980 is already $549? If 980 Ti the most logical price would seem to be $749, but given the huge performance jump the price differential still isn't enough to prevent 980 Ti from cannibalizing 980's market share. So perhaps GM200 will first get released as Titan X at a price point of $1049, and the 980 Ti will come another 6 months later?

 

Well here is where nVidia will be able to charge whatever they want.

If GM200 ends up being moved to 20nm, its gonna be hell for AMD.

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i think 90% of gfx cards i have owned are from EVGA and i like them also because if you change the cooler to go WC (like i do) they still honour the warrenty!

 

I have to bring up Evga one last time.

Before I joined this forum, before I joined OCN, I joined Evga. This was back when I bought my first real GPU.. a 9800GT. Ever since then, I have only and i mean ONLY purchased Evga cards. When I think back, I have had some issues with the recent cards. My 780 had some pretty epic coil whine, my 780 Ti Classified couldn't OC for ****(granted it ran stable at stock clocks, but I wasn't the only one with this issue.), and now my 770 Classified has really weird vibration noises when the fan speeds hit certain percentages.

Now with all that, the whole "Rivagate" mess and now these jacked up coolers.. I'm done. I think what some of you guys above were saying is true. They just don't care anymore. I've got over 1000 posts over there and it sucks to watch all the threads with issues go ignored.

/rant

 

I don't see having less cores to be an issue, it's a smart move for NVIDIA, Maxwell isn't particularly die-space efficient because the increased compartmentalization of the SMMs reduces the density so any GPU with more than 2800 cores would be absolutely monstrous in size, maybe 600mm+ on 28nm.