Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

I don't know but to me it makes no sense whatsoever to call a mobile GPU made in 2014, especially a 28nm one 9XX series, when desktop 800 isn't even out yet.
I wonder if these people in forums just came up with random numbers out of nowhere, if they got the info from nVidia then it will be the dumbest marketing scheme that nVidia has ever come up with.

 

Well nVidia billed the shield tablet thingmajig as "the ultimate is coming", so never underestimate what nVidia's marketing department is capable of.

 

@Cloudfire & @octiceps
I'd like to warn you both to not go down that road again.

@octiceps the language filter is there for a reason.

Cheers,
ATG

 

Well by the time these beasts can be found in the wild the desktop 800 series will already have been released so no danger of 900M existing before desktop 800. NVIDIA released the 800M before the desktop 800 so it's not that far fetched to think it could happen again with 900M coming first and desktop 900 later. I think a Q1 2015 release for the mobile chips would almost certainly result in the birth of the 900M series. The 800M would be a year old by then and OEM marketing departments require yearly refreshes.

 

Hm.

If the new 800Ms launch... And with the 20nm Nividia/AMD GPUs coming out sometime during 2015...

Would that mean desktop would move to GTX 800s while mobile moves to 900Ms? Or would the 800M have 28nm and 20nm Maxwell along with the Fermi and Kelpar?


Having three different GPU architectures and three different silicon processes (40nm, 28nm, 20nm), with Maxwell being on 28nm and 20nm all under one main model number sounds like a great way of confusing people.

 

And hence, a great way to make money off of <del>unsuspecting n00bs</del> the mass public

Brilliant nVidia, just brilliant.

 

So, anyone looking forward to seeing 40nm Fermi being pitted against 14nm Broadwell's and 28nm Carrizo's IGP (with possibility of getting the stacked DRAM)?

It's like Intel rebranding a Core 2 or Nehalem as a low-end Haswell. Or Toyota giving 2007 car models a new paint job and rebranding them as 2014 models.


I recall my dad nearly buying a laptop with a GT 610M because it had 2GB of VRAM (most likely DDR3).

I explained to him that it was like using a 2008 Atom netbook with 16 GB of RAM. The CPU would've choked long before the RAM came close to full usage.

He understood the comparison.

 

Nvidia did skip the 3xx series and pretty much make that just mobile.

 

Can't believe this is getting so heated..

 

i havent bought a new laptop in years cause of all the delays.

 

And you don't really need to with 7970M crossfire! ;-)

 

Get a desktop, it'll last you years and years while you wait for your perfect laptop.

 

I'm doing this if Maxwell is a dud (or doesn't perform at least 50% better than Kepler). Pascal is going to require a new motherboard. So, in my personal opinion, there's no point in buying an expensive laptop in 2015 if you can't upgrade the GPU, even one year later.

 

If you're in the market for a notebook, a desktop makes no sense. This is Notebook Review after all.

 

Yeah, that's right. Unless you enjoy spending most of your discretionary free time sitting at a desk, a desktop is not a very good option. For those that find themselves having to sit at one for work all day that is an even more terrible option.

 

haha so true. I hate sitting at my desk at work.

 

Different strokes for different folks. I used to be a big fan of cramming as much power in to a laptop as possible. However, the poor cost vs benefit, thermal/power issues and the constant upgradability fears pushed me towards desktops for heavy grunt work. Plus, I absolutely hated being at the mercy of a company's engineering department for BIOS/Firmware support when it is absolutely clear that longevity or compatibility of the platform isn't a priority for them.
I'd rather nowadays have a powerful desktop for the intense games (which for me tend to be single player and don't really warrant having a mobile machine) and a small agile laptop like the W230SS for those occasions when I need the portability while travelling or LAN events. Though I understand its quite a costly approach.

My positively crappy GTX 570 SLI setup was still spitting out superb framerates at 1080p 3 years after it was released. In fact, I would've kept it for longer had I not been naive and bought the 1.28Gb models instead of the slightly more expensive 3Gb GTX 580s at the time.

Anyway, enough of my heretical ramblings, this is Notebookreview, not Overclock.net

 

If you don´t need a laptop is a little nonsense buying a laptop, but if you really need it you don´t have choice

 

I don't know, game streaming is actually pretty viable. My 780 Ti pumps 120 FPS to my laptop for most games (was just testing it) so if you mostly game at home, it's very well possible to send your games all over the house although unless you get a high performance laptop, you don't have a gamer's screen to back those frame rates. It's a no win situation, there's always compromises.

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i am actually thinking of a desktop but it just really isn't worth getting. only thing thats worth it for now is P3700 intel SSD and haswell E towards 5ghz otherwise no point going to desktop. and 7970m isnt really enough I want something that can run cooler and perform the same while uses less power, which is why I havent gone for 780M yet.

gonna wait for maxwell and tonga to come out see how that goes.

 

Coming here extolling the virtues of desktops is like going to Fenway Park and trying to convince everyone to root for Yankees. Not worthwhile. (If you know nothing about US Baseball, Red Sox fans hate the Yankees)

 

Sometimes its nice to own both. I look at my desktop as my primary and my notebook as a secondary.

I completely understand some folks who can't game on a desktop due to work... I don't have that problem, but my brother who is a software engineer can't game on his desktop as that is what he associates with work and not fun, but he can game on his laptop (as long as its in a different room than his office).

 

I could never understand that, i am my self systems administrator and i don´t mind at all playing on desktop, one thing is the computer at work and other the computer at home XD

 

I like sitting among my family even when gaming, not secluded in my office.

 

What I miss about desktop is:

- Cheap and much faster videocards and processors. Like a totally different world than mobile

- Wide range of high resolution displays, plus 120Hz goodness and IPS.

- Being able to tinker with different cooling solutions: Water cooling, air cooling, fans in the chassis itself etc

- Not so afraid to destroy parts with overclocking due to cheaper price

- The fun with building one from scratch and watching your creation proudly after you are done

- Not being afraid to destroy keyboards with rage or dropping it on the floor

- Having a big audio system. Also the joy when buying the finest audio card you can find on the market, pair it with expensive headphones and kicking back with awesome audio

- Always getting the newest tech before mobile do. Like PCIe SSDs.

 

I agree Cloudfire. I have a desktop, just the lack of mobility kills it for me. Maybe if I had a better setup in my home. I actually mounted my 24" Dell IPS on my wall in the dining room/kitchen just adjacent to my living room, and built a SFF PC with GTX 670 and i5-3570K, but it's still me facing the wall, and unable to move to the couch or bedroom, when needed.

 

And don't forget Intel's Overclocking Warranty. I mean, it's almost as if Intel is begging them desktop enthusiasts to kill their chips. I know for a fact that if I had a desktop K or X and bought this warranty, I'd absolutely go to town with the chip.

 

I have pondered over getting a desktop but I'm in an awkward position where I have no permanent home. Meaning I'm renting various rooms in shared houses while I've been studying at university. For the past 4 years I've been living in 6 different houses. Next year I'll be moving again. Not all of my rooms have had desks even. Not an ideal habitat for a sessile PC.

 

Yeah, probably the one reason why many people are even on this forum. Mobility.
Still miss desktop though. Its been many years since I built one, but when GTX Titan launched I was [] close to building a Titan SLI 4K desktop due to mobile Kepler not moving forward. Had picked out everything I needed, and spent countless hours on the internet finding the right components and tools to build a silent computer to replace my old GT70.

Not sure what changed my mind, but it was perhaps the mobility factor, not being able to take my notebook to work or anywhere else in the house. But it was a close one

$25/$35?! Sounds like a good investment

 

Yeah, I always consider it. However, I don't game as much as I used to and use my laptop 80% of the time for basic tasks, video editing, and maybe 20% for gaming. So I guess for gaming I don't always need to be with my laptop but I just don't like that for those rare occasions that I'm away from home and want to play some games, that I don't have the ability. Granted, when I've been in that situation, I've realized that I've made due by finding some old gems of games that I wouldn't' have touched otherwise.

 

So, is Maxwell coming out in October? This is an odd year.

 

300 pages later and we still don't know

 

As long as there is no 120Hz IPS or PLS panel 120 FPS is just useless, the slight response time increase you get from a TN panel is just not worth the huge drop in image quality (mostly due to color accuracy, uneven lighting, bad contrast and more). As for game streaming, its a big NO for anything multiplayer, if your router isn't very recent there is so much latency it makes it almost unplayable, and even if your router is good, most wireless adapters just can't handle receiving data from one computer and then the server and then sending all the necessary information back again. Even in perfect cases the latency is almost double of what you would normally get on the desktop.

 

Dat 120/144 Hz doe. Sooo smooth. All dem extra frames!

 

No it's 2014... an even year... har har har

 

Ha, good one.

 

gonna need some bootable hardware pcie raid, skylake + chipset im still waiting

 

£3000 safely stored away now ready and waiting! I just can't stop saving!

Any updates on the state of Intel's Broadwell? I hope mobile 5th gen quad cores are released at the same time as Maxwell. I want my next purchase to at the very least have Broadwell, even if I don't think I'll be able to wait for Skylake.

 

Right, you've convinced me! I'm off to build a desktop! ;-) Slight joking aside, I actually would like to do that, but don't have anywhere to put it at the moment, but I'd like to do that at least once.

 

Am I in desktopreview? Strange.....

My 5 eggs you can tinker with laptops and you can have decent large audio system. I connect to mine with BT.

Besides all the points made are common knowledge. The reason we are here is because we don't have the space for a desktop and or we value the mobility of a laptop. Lets get back on topic ....
On the go from my iPod touch

 

Desktop Review? That place is dead as a doorknob. Try OCN.

 

All I care about is whether the next nVidia card will fit and work in my current machine

 

Just please create another new tread again when something important comes out, OK?
This one is deleted from subscription... again

 

It is definitely a very different world, and building your own desktop is a very satisfying experience. But, building a monster desktop being an affordable proposition is not necessarily true. It depends on the level of monstrosity you are content with and how many compromises one is willing to tolerate in an effort to save a few bucks. It is not very difficult to drop $5,000 or more on building a killer desktop without even counting the monitor(s) and other peripherals. Some of the ludicrous new tech in monitors costs a small fortune (one monitor can be more expensive than some of the nicer gaming laptops).

The robust choices in cooling options and the availability of more powerful components (assuming you pay extra for more powerful components) are undeniable. You can use the same external monitor(s) with a laptop as a desktop, so that part is a level playing field... they cost the same no matter what is attached to the other end of the display cable.

The likelihood of destroying an Intel CPU from overclocking is slim to none, but a desktop Extreme CPU is no cheaper than a mobile Extreme CPU. Unless you does something really careless or unintelligent, destroying an NVIDIA MXM module from overclocking is also almost unheard of, and GTX 780 Ti isn't much different in price as a GTX 780M... and, a Titan is more expensive.

All things considered, a maxed out configuration in a Clevo or Alienware laptop represents a really good value compared to building your own desktop, unless you settle for mid-range quality and performance for almost everything involved in the desktop build. Factor in the lack of mobility and the desktop option starts to suck pretty bad for a lot of us.

 

Portability is a big factor, and space. But saying a maxed out configuration in a clevo / alienware laptop is good value compared to building a desktop is wrong.

You don't have to go for mid range quality and performance. Since when did Alienware put high end mobos in their laptops, or decent sound cards, and the latest screens aren't too great either. MSI / Asus have excellent Mobos, which are reasonably priced. The i7 desktop cpus, even the extreme ones are well priced. Most people will be more than happy with i7 4770k performance.
Getting a liquid cooler such as the kraken or the h100i helps keep tempuratures stable, and some custom cooling cards like MSI windforce editions really do make a difference. You're also not limited to whatever dell decide to offer. You get to pick the parts.

It's quite easy to build a desktop with an i7 4770k, GTX780 ti SLI, other high quality parts including a decent mechanical keyboard such as the g70,and a single 2k 120hz asus monitor. All of this for well under the price of an Alienware 18 kitted out. On top of this you would run into far less problems, and would have longer warranty as standard on your parts. Dell technician appointments have made things worse for me each time!

The performance of a gaming laptop with an flagship mobile gpu SLI setup working in it's absolute prime might be comparable to a single gtx780ti with current hardware, but you usually have to pay more than double for the gfx alone. Mid range quality/performance in a desktop would be a lower end i5 cpu or an AMD one, gpu would probably be a single GTX750.

If you can build a desktop, and you don't need portability then a desktop makes so much more sense. I understand that most people here are in a situation where they can't build a desktop, or need portability for that reason it does offer a great alternative to being stuck in one place. However saying that it's better value isn't correct. Preference of wanting to use a gaming laptop over a desktop also has an effect, but you have to pay plenty more, and you don't get the same performance.

 

The price difference is huge, mobile parts were never good value. The godly engineering required to make the desktop monsters mobile isn't cheap.

The 780Ti delivers close to twice the performance of the 780m despite the smallish price difference, with zero cooling issues, less compatibility issues and some companies like EVGA even offer lifetime cross-shipping warranties. Even the midrange desktop components like the 270x or the 760 can easily match or sometimes outclass the mobile parts (which are derived from the former said parts) so highend laptop performance can be had for a much lower price, even factoring in the screen and peripherals.

That being said, I do agree the ability to lug around 2 Teraflops of processing power is priceless if space is a real issue or if there is no practical permanent location for a machine.

 

I agree, but about your "2 Teraflops" comment, I have 2.2 Teraflops with my little overclocked 670MX (that only cost £230), 880M sli is nearly 6 Teraflops. (I think I got that right 1 Teraflop being 1000GFlops)

880M teraflops listed here:
GeForce 800 series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Value is just about assigning monetary worth for a product. A desktop is not a notebook. The value of a desktop as a product by it's performance is irrelevant to me as I place no value for myself and my needs on a desktop. It is of little value to me. What I do find value in is fantastic workmanship of a thin and light notebook. Of course this is just my opinion, but I would imagine one shared by the majority on this forum as it's a forum to discuss the buying of and enthusiasm in.. notebook computers.

 

honestly you don't even need that 4770k, if it's just a gaming pc and not really for any professional purposes then just get the pentium anniversary version for like $75 and OC the hell of that. in the end you get just as much gaming performance as the devil's canyons

 

Not even close unless the games you play happen to be 8 years old and only utilize two threads.