Brace yourself: NEW MAXWELL CARDS INCOMING!

are we really talking about the need for hyper threading for games now? not that many games really rely that heavily on the multi-threads

 

Two threads isn't enough for modern games.

 

If anyone wants to know since I now can make some context about some information I`ve been holding on to for a while:

That is for desktops
Nvidia to release three GeForce GTX 800 graphics cards this October | KitGuru
http://wccftech.com/nvidias-28nm-maxwell-based-geforce-gtx-880-geforce-gtx-870-launch-early-october-geforce-gtx-860-hits-market-late-october/


Here comes the kicker
10月的GT72吧直接上GTX980M

Cheers :thumbsup:

 

So we are gonna see the gtx 980M in October maybe ? Or in 10 months , Google translate only takes me so far

 

GTX 980M shipping in notebooks in October (10th month)

I have been giving you guys some hints for a while:
N13E (First Kepler) was first mentioned in December 2011. They launched in March 2012 (3 months after).
N16E (Maxwell GM204 + other cards) was first mentioned in July 2014. 3 months after is....

I know a little more but can`t tell just yet. I`m sure it will be revealed soon

 

Not really, most reviewers found that the Overclocked PE can barely match an i3 as most games now can take advantage of quadcores.

Battlefield 4, Watchdogs, Planetary Annihilation are the current games that I'm aware of that can leverage more than 4 cores (this includes hyperthreading) . Hell, BF4 and Watchdogs apparently scale all the way to 12 core setups.
Even older titles like Battlefield 3, Far Cry 3 and Supreme Commander can leverage a quadcore thus taking a performance hit when forced to run on 2 core units.

 

that's waaaaay too for the 900 series to come out, more like MX series if I have to bet

alright fine, I'll admit more cores are necessary now and maybe a bit of hyperthreading. however, all aside we can kick out watchdogs, that game needs more optimization than anything else

 

Do you have any info what lithograph the 980M is ? Or can you not say ?

 

980M? Well this means we're in for another year of milking, rebranding, and then some. gg nVidia, the way it's meant to be <del>played</del> paid

 

U saying they are gonna rebrand the gk104 again ?

 

They're now going to milk the 28nm Maxwell cow dry before moving on to 20nm/16nm Maxwell/Pascal.

 

Oh OK lol yea isn't that the typical nvidia plan

 

Well my hope was if 28nm Maxwell was going to be 880MX, then there's at least a small chance nVidia would move on to 20nm or smaller processes in 2015. So 28nm Maxwell would be a transitional line than a full blown series (sort of like the 800M series I guess). But that's gone out the window now.

 

"Wrong" is a matter of perspective, and it also depends on who is measuring what in terms of value, and what you want to have in the end. In laptop world you can only buy the best available in terms of core components and once you're maxed out that's really all you can do as far as the build is concerned. If you build a desktop with the best (most powerful, unlocked hex-core) CPU and most powerful dual GPU NVIDIA cards available, 1000W~ PSU and an enthusiast motherboard robust enough to support extreme overclocking, etc. the cost is going to be very similar... I've already priced it out several times and there are definitely no bargains to be had in building an extreme performance desktop just as there are not any bargains to be had in buying a maxed out dual GPU Alienware or Clevo with an Extreme CPU. On that basis I consider the max config Alienware and Clevo machines a good value... but, that's using my measuring stick. Cutting corners on a desktop build to have an "adequate" albeit less expensive gaming rig is not something I would consider doing if I were going to build one. As soon as you start going down the "el cheapo" path in hopes of saving a few bucks by compromising on CPU and GPU components on a desktop build the maxed out Alienware or Clevo SLI monsters will tear the less expensive but adequate gaming desktop a new fanny. I've got numerous benchmarks on HWBOT.org that demonstrate that, and so do some other overclocking nuts in our community. For my purposes there's really not much point in building building a desktop if it is merely going to be similar to, rather than totally obliterate the maxed out Alienware or Clevo laptop in terms of performance... might save a few hundred dollars doing that, but it won't be a desktop that raises the bar or turns lots of heads with respect to performance achievements.

 

Is the 980m shipping date of October from some inside sources you might have, or did you find a leak of that somewhere? That's good news though, I'm looking forward to reading those reviews before the end of the year. With it being called a 980M it looks like that chip will be hanging around a long time, might be the top mobile gaming chip for a year or more I reckon.

 

NVIDIA having the confidence to name it a 980M is a good sign. Means it has tangible performance benefits. An 880MX nomenclature wouldn't have the same performance expectations to live up to. It's all about the marketing. Marketing to those customers who aren't as knowledgeable as all of us.

 

That's my thinking about it as well.

Maybe they're looking to cover up their 880M problem child though and just are going to bury the name instead of attaching an X to it and keeping the name alive. Hello 5% power boost until 980MX.

 

Although I would wager that an extreme desktop overclock (liquid nitrogen aside) is more practical as an everyday gaming overclock than your maximum overclocks, which are probably only benchmark stable/safe due to the higher temperatures you're likely to see in a laptop (especially on long runs) vs that of a desktop with substantial cooling capabilities (especially with 3rd party cards with good coolers). Don't you do your maximum benchmark runs in a walk in fridge or outside on your patio in Winter or something - I know the scores you refer to are with massive overclocks on the CPU & GPU (e.g. close to 5GHz on the CPU, and about 1150Mhz or more on the GPU)! And then there's still the much cheaper price of building a desktop with the same performance. (No need to argue the case of portability & suitability - that's a given.)

 

If 295x is powerful enough nvidia will out something tasty.

 

The milk is fresh in the udders for the time being!

 

Who cares what the GPU is called really. I don`t think you can expect much performance increase from GTX 980M > next card anyway. Unless they go to 16nm FinFET with Maxwell which I highly doubt.

Buy the GTX 980M and stick with it until Nvidia release cards in 20nm/116nm FinFET hopefully with Pascal architecture. Thats what I`m gonna do.
GTX 980M will probably the sweet spot with mobile Maxwell

 

It seems that the GTX 980M will cost a bit more than GTX 880M.
GT72 with GTX 880M is currently selling for $2999.
GT72 with GTX 980M is said to cost $3200
Both versions will have 4x128GB mSATA in Raid0 (Super Raid 3).

Not sure what the Asus G760 will cost, but its coming with GTX 980M in October.
New 17" series from Asus, current one is G750, so it will be interesting to see what they will come up with thats new. 4K display maybe? That would be awesome but doubt it

 

OMG in october!?! 2+ months to wait! Any news yet on what this 980m will be like?

 

So SLI 980M will likely cost almost 2K when first released.

Yeah ok I'm gonna pass, unless there's close to 100% performance improvement over 780M.

 

A nice boost over my single 780m! SLI 980M, I mean. I wonder if Intel Broadwell is worth the wait though...

 

Broadwell may not even get socketed chips and will instead all be soldered BGA garbage:

Screw Broadwell, and screw Intel while we're at it.

 

Yup, we are getting pretty close now. Some benchmarks are bound to appear between now and October.

No news that I can post yet...

The chip is like 40-50% bigger than GTX 880M. Price goes up accordingly. Gotta pay to play the game this time unfortunately, thanks to 28nm. 20/16nm is the only remedy for cheaper price because thats how they can use less silicon.

Not that I don`t understand your position. There are other mobile cards coming too, that will cost less. But with your beastly 780M SLI machine, they will probably not cut it for you

 

Broadwell isn't going to have an improvement over Haswell as far as enthusiasts are concerned... Note that one of the biggest change Intel is making with Skylake is moving the VRMs back off the die... Smh...

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And DDR4 with Skylake. Nothing to get too excited about with Broadwell other than die shrink.

 

any news on the mid range cards like 960M or vice flagship 970m?

 

nah DDR4 isn't going down for a few years at least, the release cost will most likely be just as much as those 3000mhz ddr3 ram

 

Last I saw on Intel slides DDR4 is still part of Skylake. You can also buy 16GB DDR4 server memory right now from NewEgg for $250.

 

What will that accomplish? Better overclockability?

So it's probably safe to say I won't regret not waiting for Broadwell? Is there anything at all that might be improved? Efficiency? Temps? Clockspeeds?

 

On-die VRM = more heat. Though I honestly don't mind reasonable amounts of extra heat if it meant I could have full voltage control over my CPU, a luxury usually reserved for desktops.

I think it's very safe to say you won't regret not waiting for Broadwell. Even the soldered H quad cores won't be coming till Q2 2015, so yeah don't hold your breath.

 

what I'm saying is that the price of DDR4 isn't gonna go down until a few years. you can get those 3000mhz super clock ddr3 for the same price or even a little cheaper. for now and the next year it will probably still remain as a server/enthusiast grade product LOL

 

There are some 3DMark11 Extreme scores (not screenshots) from the GTX 980M thats been posted around in some certain parts of the internet, but I dare not post them. Too many sites have quoted me and my posts in this thread lately, I got to be a little more careful on what I`m posting in the future I think.

Lets just say it is really really good. Again, need to find out if its legit or not first.

 

Yes, Wccftech is publishing everything you say like there is no tomorrow, you could say whatever you want about Maxwell and they still will publish it for the sake of visits

 

Well it fits perfectly with my 3 year upgrade plan -- by Q4 2016 we should have 16nm Pascal, which from what I've read probably won't be MXM 3.0b anyway. So at that point I could pick up a Skylake + Pascal laptop and get (hopefully) 2x the GPU power I have today.

 

I would be hard pressed to drop $3k+ on a new laptop, but if they included a better screen for once.. IPS / 3k+ resolution i'd be alllll over that.

Also I wonder how AMD price their GPU's in comparison.

Any word if they'll have a GT72 without the silly 4 mSATA drives for a bit cheaper?

 

The base version ships with 2 for $2500.

 

Well looks like i'll be able to hold out until these cards do get released. Original plan was to get a laptop at the end of summer. Bad news is that I had to do some home repairs not covered by insurance, good bye laptop fund. Good news, I literally can afford to wait.

 

ATTENTION:
The following 3DMark11 score is a rumor I picked up on. It may be true, it may be false. Treat it as such. That goes to lurkers from other sites as well as users here. I only post it to serve as speculation and to keep this thread active, not definitve proof because I couldnt verify it with other people.

But I have reasons to believe it could be plausible based on:
- GTX 680M had same performance as GTX 570 when it launched. This time it seems that GTX 980M will perform like GTX 780 (non Ti).
- GTX 680M scored +90% in 3DMark11 compared to GTX 580M (P6000 vs P3150). GTX 980M does look like its scoring 50-60% more than GTX 880M since there is a limit on how much Nvidia can do since we are on the same 28nm node.
- One shouldnt expect less than 50% over current cards when a brand new Maxwell architecture is about to be released. We all saw what Nvidia managed to do with GTX 860M.

I used one of Guru3D`s 3DMark11 benchmark graphs to plot in current mobile graphic cards as well as the GTX 980M. All cards except GTX 980M is confirmed.

 

That would be a very impressive score for the 980M, hope it holds true!

 

There is no way in hell that nVidia is going to make THAT jump right off the bat.

They have no motivation whatsoever to release a GPU that can go toe to toe with a desktop 780 (and potentially a 780 Ti if it overclocks well) and releasing such a thing would cannibalize the sale of SLI machines and make most desktops totally irrelevant.

I don't buy it. Not for a second. The kind of heat that would be generated would be impossible to dissipate. That card would be over twice the power of a 680M!

Maxwell just can't make that big of a jump in power without that big of an increase in TDP to go along with it.

 

If that is true, the M295X will already be out.. but we would finally get a decent mobile high end GPU after 3 years of lag regarding desktop..

I hope that it will be quickly available on MSI GT70 or on a GT72 without all these SSD and things like that which are rocketing the price..

 

Remember I talked about GTX 780 Ti performance +/- 10%? Looks like I was maybe right (although its -12% to be precise).
It was total score that was posted about the GTX 980M, which means we dont know the GPU score though.

But its looking pretty promising indeed. I will for sure buy a new notebook when these babies arrive

I think Nvidia have a goal of beating R9 M295X, thats why they are waiting til October when its been out for a while. They won`t release a slower card, thats for sure which makes the X4500 rumor all more plausible.
MSI is always fast at featuring new hardware Rupp3r. Meaker says some GT72 SKUs only comes with 2 SSDs so that will lower the price down

 

Almost twice the performance over 780M on 28nm process? I don't buy it, but we shall see...

580M to 680M was an 80% jump, but it was Fermi to Kepler and 40nm to 28nm. Here we only have a new architecture on the same process, so squeezing twice the performance out of 28nm doesn't seem very plausible, at least not within the 100W or 110W TDP envelope.

 

I'm sorry but there is no way nVidia is going to release a laptop part that makes almost their entire desktop line completely irrelevant. I just can't see them doing that, they'll shoot revenue in the foot when they don't have to. Its much more likely that they will hold off on such a powerful card for next year and release a minor bump now and start the milking of the new architecture without cannibalizing the desktop market that gets them the most money.

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GTX 760M: 3554 in 3DMark11 > GTX 860M: 5224 (+47%). 860M had lower TDP as well.
Not sure why some of you guys are suddenly sceptical when we have already Maxwell out to prove how effective it really is...
Of course does Nvidia have all the reasons to beat the GTX 880M by a good margin. We have previous cards to look at there as well, GTX 680M vs GTX 675M. Look it up.

I disagree, mobile cards wont cannibalize anything out on the desktop side. Its two different markets plus you are forgetting that desktop get GM204 Maxwell as well. With better performance.

We shall see, but I have good belief in the 3DMark11 Extreme score posted above.

 

Well they are releasing the 880 desktop card soon though, and notebooks & desktops are in different competing markets.