Clevo D900F - Core i7 with Nvidia G280 GPU - the new king

Bingo, someone makes this post at least once a day somewhere. I saw the same thing on the anand forums when he posted his D900F article.

Bottom line, if you work 9-5 and never travel, then this is clearly NOT designed for you. Those of us who are always traveling, between different countries even, would like to not be stuck with a weak system that can't play or do anything close to a desktop. I never even store the battery in mine, let alone use it.

Usually, those that travel this much can afford the price of this thing. I've put about 3k into my current unit, and I'll pay 3k for what I replace it with. To me, for what I want, that's not a ridiculous amount of money.

There's a reason you don't see these systems being sold at Best Buy or Walmart.

 

i have to concur!
and it's not once a day, it's more like 10 times a day.
people with these cute, light, notebooks downing a desktop replacement complaining about it's battery life..ummm....why complain, if you don't own one? bottom line. a desktop replacement/laptop/desknote is what it is and just that. if we cared about battery or how heavy it was..we would get a netbook or a macair. provided we we're not trying to game/auto cad/3d molding/solid works and so on.

and the d900f is smoking any laptop period in it's catagory. and what is it's category you ask? a single gpu with cpu
np5797
msi gt725

and dual gpu laptop running only one gpu
d901c
w90v
whitebook
m17

and like the old saying goes...you get what you pay for period.

 

If we wanted a desktop , we would have go one simple as that. Now go back to your asus eee pc and leave us alone

 

im not sure what everyone is so excited about - the Core i7 doesnt lend itself well to mobile applications due to much higher wattage and only marginally faster gaming performance; 8-core CPUs are worthless for gaming, as are quad-cores, and since this thread is in "gaming" and this is a gaming laptop ill assume that gaming is the primary application for it

as far as the 280gtx goes - its just a slightly faster 9800gtx - what's all the excitement about? this card will be much slower than the 4870x2 - as would be expected since its just a rebadged 9-series (which itself is just a rebadged 8-series) - even in SLI, i would not put my money on the 280gtx yet - and certainly not if this debuts at the pricepoint of a new D901C - let us not forget that the country is in full-blown recession - not exactly a prime market for $3000+ laptops

 

=anarky321;4698635]im not sure what everyone is so excited about - the Core i7 doesnt lend itself well to mobile applications due to much higher wattage and only marginally faster gaming performance; <---mobile applications?


8-core CPUs are worthless for gaming, as are quad-cores, and since this thread is in "gaming" and this is a gaming laptop ill assume that gaming is the primary application for it <----8 cores are great for encoding/transcoding/decoding. this isn't a gaming rig, that would be the m980nu

as far as the 280gtx goes - its just a slightly faster 9800gtx - what's all the excitement about? this card will be much slower than the 4870x2 - as would be expected since its just a rebadged 9-series (which itself is just a rebadged 8-series) - even in SLI, i would not put my money on the 280gtx yet <---slightly faster than whos 9800m gtx? it might be slightly faster than mine and lordair1's, but a great deal faster than everyone elses.


- and certainly not if this debuts at the pricepoint of a new D901C - let us not forget that the country is in full-blown recession - not exactly a prime market for $3000+ laptops <---- the recession hasn't stopped people with money from buying before so why would it start now? and im sure the people buying netbooks say the exact same thing about you buying a 800 to 1200 dollar gateway. and give you the "you spent to much" speech as well during the recession. did it matter to you? nope! so it don't matter to anyone else with the money to spend.

 

"<---mobile applications?"

not sure what you meant there

"this isn't a gaming rig"

i was misinformed then; i thought the D9xx series were meant for gaming, since they're advertised as the "fastest gaming laptops in the world"

"<----8 cores are great for encoding/transcoding/decoding. "

take a poll of what percentage of D901c owners do intensive encoding/transcoding/decoding on a regular basis - id guess 10% at the most

"<---slightly faster than whos 9800m gtx? it might be slightly faster than mine and lordair1's, but a great deal faster than everyone elses."

112 vs 128 shaders, plus 55nm vs 65nm - an evolutionary increase in speed, not revolutionary - worth a 10% increase in price? yes - 30% increase? no, not to me

"<---- the recession hasn't stopped people with money from buying before so why would it start now?"

the implication of a serious recession is that the number of those people with money to buy a laptop like this decreases, in this case drastically, thus putting a downward pressure on prices; job losses for March alone are over 700,000 - you cant possibly think this wont affect what amounts to the 'luxury' segment of laptops when almost every other luxury retail industry is close to bankrupcy with sales down 60%-80%; take in account the almost-total collapse of credit - this is not 2007 when people could take out a loan to buy this or refinance their mortgage

"and im sure the people buying netbooks say the exact same thing about you buying a 800 to 1200 dollar gateway."

i paid $700 for it used with a 3 year warranty, but even discounting that there is a much smaller difference between a D901c and a D900f than a netbook and my high-end gateway - the point im trying to make is that the new model isnt worth any significant price increase over the D901c

 

Re: Clevo D900F - Core i7 with Nvidia G280 GPU - the new king <hr style='color: rgb(238, 238, 238);' size='1'> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> im not sure what everyone is so excited about - the Core i7 doesnt lend itself well to mobile applications due to much higher wattage and only marginally faster gaming performance; 8-core CPUs are worthless for gaming, as are quad-cores, and since this thread is in "gaming" and this is a gaming laptop ill assume that gaming is the primary application for it <--- your words not mine. i got it from you

and you we're gravely misinformed. everyone knows that an i7 is geared to cpu intensified applications. and gaming as a side thing.

this is the Re: Clevo D900F - Core i7 with Nvidia G280 GPU - the new king not the recession lounge..

until you take these cards for a test spin..your speculating as to performance/ratio. and im gonna have to say your percentages are off.
true: 112 vs 128 shaders, plus 55nm vs 65nm
and the gtx280m is cheaper than a 9800m gtx so not sure what your talking about.

edit:
take a poll of what percentage of D901c owners do intensive encoding/transcoding/decoding on a regular basis - id guess 10% at the most <-- probably about 60 percent or better are doing cpu intensified stuff. and you can drop a quad core to dual core mode and do the same thing as any dual notebook. and that includes gaming. a d901c has 2 vga cards and a d900f has one, so what kind of compairson is that? two video cards are better than on i7 at gaming.

 

"im not sure what everyone is so excited about - the Core i7 doesnt lend itself well to mobile applications due to much higher wattage and only marginally faster gaming performance; 8-core CPUs are worthless for gaming, as are quad-cores, and since this thread is in "gaming" and this is a gaming laptop ill assume that gaming is the primary application for it<--- your words not mine. i got it from you"

i meant that it doesnt lend itself well to being put in a laptop, requiring significantly more coolling for the extra performance that it provides

"and you we're gravely misinformed. everyone knows that an i7 is geared to cpu intensified applications. and gaming as a side thing."

that may be so but the D900F is a gaming notebook by design and will be advertised as such and will be purchased for this purpose by the majority of the people that buy it, as the D901C was

"until you take these cards for a test spin..your speculating as to performance/ratio."

the benchmarks were posted already, on the front page of the "gaming" forum

"GTX 280M Benchmarks from notebookcheck ( 1 2 3) "

"and the gtx280m is cheaper than a 9800m gtx so not sure what your talking about."

thats what i mean - the laptop will have to debut at least at the original debut price of the D901C or lower to be successful because the performance difference is not significant as far as gaming goes - this is in response to the multiple posts saying that it will be more expensive than the D901C, im saying "no..it wont" or it wont sell well

 

see how the gaming part is last...

i've seen a few average benchmarks. to a person who benches, that means nothing. those are the mediocre numbers. the laptop needs to be in the hands of an enthusiasts to find out what it's made of. and that hasn't happen yet. and if you want it to perform at the top of it's class..you will have to spend.(facts)

at this point i have no clue what they are gonna charge for it. and to tell you the truth, i would rather have the m980nu than the d900f.

also the cheap i7's cost less than a q9650 and and a q9550...so who knows, guess we find out in a few weeks or a few months. this lappy wont be king of gaming, but will be king of mobile workstations and mobile servers.

in the end, it will cost more. because the most expensive cpu is 1600 bucks, the entry level is 250 or so. so they can break it in kind of cheap and then if you want all the bells and whistles..jump that up to like 7 grand. im broke! i wont be paying no 7 grand for no laptop out the box. ill pay 3 to 4 though..

 

Thanks man
this is real informative Information

 

Not for long, come back around January and tell me that same thing.

 

I'd like to point out... this rig is not designed for price/performance.

It's a luxury rig for people who can use "the kitchen sink" and afford it too.

Odds are its only marginally more expensive than those $2400-2700 macs... but it will run circles around one as well.

 

Thing is, people thought that the D900F was going to be the ultimate gaming notebook because they thought it will come with two GPUs in addition to the Core i7 processor. But when the actual thing was unveiled and the specs revealed that it was going to be available with only one GPU, then it didn't look much like the ultimate gaming notebook that people initially expected.

Nonetheless, it doesn't take much away from the D900F because the Core i7's strength is in memory and processor intensive programs. Even some games like GTA IV and SupCom will take advantage of the i7, giving it an edge over other single GPU notebooks. Because they're only offering only 1 GPU with the D900F, it seems like the M980NU is the ultimate gaming notebook that Clevo is advertising with the ability to run two GPUs (really three with the hybrid SLi thing).

As far as the GPU performance goes, look at it this way; a stock GTX 280M will probably perform about 15-20% slower than a desktop GTS 250.

 

8 months from now? thats a pretty long time

not to mention that it will still be worthless for 98% of all games out even by then since its worthless for every single game out right now; how many A-class games will come out between now and January (not sure why you picked that date) that it will create a sufficient incentive for someone to run out and buy a quad-core for gaming?

id also like to point out how hyped Crysis was with its quad-core support which turned out to be a load of BS

 

checkout where they got the 250 gts stuff at.
vantage mark scores
3dmark scores

if the gtx280m takes the same over clocks...things could get interesting.

allot of stuff is bs till you go out and try it for yourself. people use to think the 9800m gt was better than the 9800m gtx..we see that was another myth.
crysis uses less than 2 cores, so 8 cores isn't going to be better for it as you suggested.
flipside:
8 cores can do
virus scans
ie windows
malware scans
spyware scans
word doc's
illustrator
and play crysis

can a dual core claim this as well?
probably not with out major lag.

more cores are not just for gaming guys. it's for every day multitasking....

link to d900f on eurocom
they say it's a workstation as well.

 

I believe in the hands of a regular person, any processor hosting more then two cores is practically useless. Four cores, (In this case eight logical cores) in the hands of someone with a higher understanding of technology can become VERY useful.





Let me so kindly point out the price tag, and say NO this laptop is NOT meant for everyone.

 

Well by Christmas there will be plenty of games out taking advantage of quad cores. And its not worthless for every single game out right now. GTAIV needs a quad core to run properly.

And no a quad core isnt needed, but people will buy it if its there.

And if people buy this laptop it probably wont be right now they will wait till ike summer. So yea, but, its not the best. GTAIV requires a quad core to run properly.

Of course you don't need a quad core, but if its there people will buy it.

 

Eurocom doesnt give the option for the quadrofx. I hope xoticpc will

 

Newer Quadros were just recently announced. I think Clevo may need to test them for stability first before having them shipped out with the Quadro GPU option.

 

Oh well it was listed in the product specs at the start of the thread. I hope they will be there in may

 

12lbs it. And I thought my 6.8lbs C90S was heavy to carry...

 

Estimated cost anyone? im guessing $1700+ prehaps.

Beaut spec tho

 

lol more like 2200-2500+ easy i think ...

 

You're right, true quad gaming is a long time away, because companies know that most average computers don't have quads.

But we're going in circles here.

Your argument is: The D900F is a heavy, power hungry, overpriced and overpowered machine that people will not want to buy.

Our response: We will buy it.

That's really all that needs to be said on the topic.

 

actually my argument was that the D900F was a marginal improvement over the D900C at best (in terms of gaming prowess) and that they should not debut it at a higher price point than the D900C and i tied that in by saying that this recession is most certainly affecting the enthusiast laptop market just like it is affecting the enthusiast car market and every other enthusiast market out there; perhaps less so since laptops are good low-maintenance entertainment whether you're employed or not, but nevertheless this is a serious consideration to most laptop retailers out there, high-end or not

 

I don't hear the sound of many computer retailers falling over themselves to catch every last word of anarky321 the sage analyst and prophet, but then again it's a personal opinion that can't really be refuted other than Clevo themselves.

Last I checked the notebook market is actually doing better than most, locally many of the notebook retailers here haven't bothered slashing prices since there's still lots of people coming to pick up products.

 

this reminds me of a guy on a certain stock trading board telling everyone how there's no recession because people in his area are still buying houses

 

If there is demand, there is money to be made.

I find it funny anarky321 that you still haven't wrapped your head around the fact the D900F is a workstation, and not just for computer games. Yet you are determined that the only important aspect of this laptop should be gaming. If you really care about just the gaming aspect of a laptop there are lots of other option.

If your argument now has switched to the fact the gaming aspect of this model does not boost a huge advance over the DC901C. I would kindly mind you that the D900F is a workstation. If you argument is no one will buy this I will kindly remind you yes it will sell. If your argument is that somehow selling this laptop is not political correct, or some strange twist of turning this into politics. I will once again kindly remind you that it will sell, and it will sell not just in the USA.

 

Bah, try 17lbs. It's really not that bad if you're strong enough and get a good bag.

 

That seems to be a ORB labeling error. Something similar happened with the ATi Mobility 3870 being labeled as a desktop 2900 when it first came out and was tested before ORB updated its information base to accomodate newly released cards. Though it would be awesome if a real GTX 280M can overclock that high without killing the card.

 

exactly, i carry my 10 pound toshiba X305 to school with its huge brick and i have a great bag, its not even noticeable.

 

You can pre order here, and get a taste of the pricing. It's not much more than the previous D900C.

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9280-built-clevo-d900f-late-p-2577.html?wconfigure=yes

 

pricing isnt that bad at all either

 

loving that i7 nars!

might have to roll with an i7 desktop since i do more work than gaming...man...what to do....

 

Any hope of Clevo coming out with a Dual Screen Gaming laptop
like the - Lenovo ThinkPad W700ds
& Usb 3.0 would be nice too

 

......holy ****

how much you guess it will cost?

 

haha, the extra screen on the Thinkpad is nice, but really... what would that do for gaming? It's not a TRUE dual screen in the fashion of two or three 24" screens or anything... it's a pretty small screen. The most I think it could be used for is monitoring temps or maybe if you play some racing sims they have extra dials and things in a seperate program that you can look at.

That Thinkpad is a pretty powerful machine itself though, I'm sure with the right drivers you could game pretty easily on it.

You mean this one?
http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=171297&action=customize

 

i think he meant one like this

gscreencorp.com

 

Dont like the - gscreencorp.com

prefer the slide out screen
Cos while playing games online

can chk e mails or watch movies on the side
when the games loading or waiting to respwan

Im into multitasking

 

the gscreen does slide out

http://gscreen.blogspot.com/

 

Dont like the Split screen
just something to slide out on the side