Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

Got hold on some juicy information.

It is from Clevo`s roadmap and it shows the different models and their configurations. GTX 880M will actually have 8GB of GDDR5 (!).
And since they are coming out in February, 2 months from now, I am pretty sure they will 28nm.

Anyhow, a ton of 800M cards is coming out in February 2014. GT 840M, GT 850M, GTX 860M, GTX 870M and GTX 880M. Man this is exciting

For more pictures (and bigger) look at this PDF
http://www.pcw.fr/pdf/Specifications/2013WW43%20Clevo%20Roadmap.pdf







Kabini notebooks

 

That's interesting! I'm pretty sure they'll be 28nm from what I've read too. I wonder how they can justify 8GB on a GPU, because I can't imagine the cards being that much more powerful than the 780M if they're on the same process (28nm), because then the only difference in performance can be down to the architecture differences between Kepler & Maxwell (since the 780M is already at the TDP limit). When they shrink it to 20nm and increase the number of stream processors by nearly a factor of 2, then 8GB starts making just a little more sense.

 

the gtx 860M is equipped with 2gb GDDR5 or 4gb (MXM and On board..)
I think we can expect GTX 765M performance + 10%.

 

So this laptop doesn't even last a year before being outdated. Goshdarnit all. Why must I be unemployed? WHY? WHHHYYYY???

Maybe I can just stick a GTX 880M into this here laptop... will need that BIOS mod though!

 

make a neckless with your diploma

 

I was thinking the same thing, But could not wait any longer. Kudos I have the same laptop as you Mine is a renamed model though. Only ordered last week, still waiting on it. Have you tried out Svl7's new bios for it yet?

 

The lack of a Maxwell W230ST refresh is dissapointing.

No Clevos for me then

 

The GTX 780M BIOS? Yes, yes I have. It's brilliant. Highly recommended! What I love about it is that it dramatically improves the behaviour of the GPU boost feature - clock rates are more consistent and stable, less jumping all over the place. The overclocking/voltage adjusting works fine.

 

Right. I was hoping for some 865m which was ~770m performance.

Beamed from my G2 Tricorder

 

there is a W230ST refresh .

W230SS

•13.3” QHD+ (3200*1800)
• Intel Haswell+HM87
• NV GTX-860M+2GB gDDR5

 

It's not like our 780M is gonna be outdated. You're over exaggerating now. Just like the 680M and 7970M still manage to hold up.

 

GTX 780M can hold up 2 years @ ultra and then starts to "go down" to high and medium !

 

Nice to see some Kabini options too. I just hope they're priced appropriately.

Although I don't think we'll see the gains we were expecting from Maxwell, primarily due to die shrink. I was waiting for something ~ 2x the performance of the 680m with the 880m to go forward with my SLI setup. I may still have to wait until end of 2014 for that.

WHOA! Nice! 860m may likely just be a rebranded 765m though, perhaps slightly faster. But the nice thing is the screen, it's 2x 1600x900 which means scaling games to 1600x900 should look great and perform well at that res with the 128-bit GPU. I may be upgrading sooner than I thought.

But where did you find that info?

 

Looks like the 570WM gets to keep going at least, I wonder if it will require a new motherboard revision.

 

Advanced earphone/headphone jack? What does that mean? Full colour keyboard? Other colours than the ones available? Full spectrum?
But cpu is apparently still haswell

 

I pray to God we can stick 880m in current p157sm

 

Of course it is, broadwell is still half a year off when these launch.

 

To be honest I'm not all that excited. It's still Haswell, and first rev Maxwell will likely be only a minor boost over 7xx series.

Only thing I'm excited about is the W230SS with the 3200x1800 screen. Maybe it will be an update option for the W230ST and I'll just swap out the screen then.

 

Why so down about maxwell? Process changes usually give the biggest boost to notebook performance.

Ah just saw the first ones may be the same process, I would expect about 20% from them then.

It may be that the true 780M successor takes a little longer and will be 20nm.

 

And my P170SM with 780M arrives today... I guess I will have the top end gpu for two months.

So, since we know this is 28nm, do we have a idea of real gamer perfermance difference between 780M and 880M? Is Meakers guess of 20% a good guess?

 

I reckon 20% improvement over the 780M is a good guess until the die shrink happens and then they'll proabably be twice as fast the 780M.

 

twice ? not that much, 20% before die shrink (best case) and then 40-45% MAX..

 

Ugh so this means Clevo will be sticking to the same chassis' yet again, not that the actual ones are bad, but they do have flaws, flaws that will be refreshed, this lack of innovation just makes them look bad, I do hope I am wrong but this seems to be the trend of these past few years .

 

28 nm again. Third time's the charm?

Meh.

 

True. They may release an 880m now and then an 890m when the 20nm becomes available (sounds like late Q4 2014 though).

It's not a chassis refresh yet. They usually do those summer time. Plus this is only a GPU refresh really, so same machines with updated GPU, and a few new options with AMD.

 

I forgot to post the source:
http://www.pcw.fr/pdf/Specifications/2013WW43%20Clevo%20Roadmap.pdf

Bigger pictures there

I`m actually jealous that the smaller screens get bigger resolutions. Why not 17 and 18"? :/
That is one serious powerhorse in a small package

Yup, that Advanced earphone/headphone tech sure sounds interesting. If you look at the same slide, the previous 2013 models don`t have that so apparantly its new.

About the CPU; blame Intel for taking too long with the Broadwell series. I believe Clevo expect Broadwell to be released around June so when Nvidia release new Maxwell GPUs in February, Clevo have to follow through and not fall behind the competition I think.

Its a whole different ballgame this time Robbo.

First of all, Maxwell graphic cards will have an integrated ARM processor in addition to those graphic cores.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20110119204601_Nvidia_Maxwell_Graphics_Processors_to_Have_Integrated_ARM_General_Purpose_Cores.html

Second, Maxwell will be based on unified virtual memory, so-called CUDA 6.


Include a move to a brand new architecture and what they can accomplish by doing that, we might be surprised what the 800M series can bring although its still on 28nm.
I agree that 20nm would be better, but why wait if this new tech can bring some decent gains?

 

Drivers for GTX 880M for developers already existed in August 2013 btw

INF v4.132 - News - LaptopVideo2Go Forums

 

Not so, judging from performance per Watt in NVidia's released roadmap - Maxwell showing twice the performance per Watt than Kepler.

You can see what I'm talking about from the graph in this link:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6846/nvidia-updates-gpu-roadmap-announces-volta-family-for-beyond-2014

This twice the performance per Watt will obviously be after the die shrink to 20nm though (late 2014 projected).

 

Yeah, some good info there, I knew about the ARM processor incorporated in Maxwell, and it will be interesting to see what that brings - I'm looking forward to reading about it when it launches! I didn't know much about the memory architecture though - cheers for that.

The reason I think 28nm Maxwell won't offer much over the 780M Kepler, maybe 20% is because NVidia have said that Maxwell will offer twice the performance per Watt when die shrunk to 20nm. Given the performance gains from the die shrink subtracted from the "twice the performance" claim, then I'd estimate this extrapolates to the Maxwell architecture leveraging about a 20% performance advantage over Kepler. Shrinking from 28nm to 20nm would offer (28/20)^2 more transistors per mm squared, which is 1.96 times more transistors in the same space. Actually, this makes me think that I'll revise the performance advantage of Maxwell over Kepler down to 10%. (I'm not an expert in this field, so my calculations are just based on some basic scientific knowledge, but I'm by no means an expert in this field - it's quite possible I've not taken into account many factors). Maybe Maxwell is going to be all about starting to make the GPU more of a separate & independent entity from the rest of the PC - thereby creating a more homogeneous reliable experience from PC to PC regardless of CPU and memory configurations of the PC. I think that would be in NVidia's interest. (I reckon our main CPU's are going to become less of a performance factor).

 

As for the unified memory, and the ARM processor, I assume we need to wait for games to be written to use them. And for the moment, the games must assume most computers won't have it. So the tech will take some time to really make a difference. Does that sound about right?

 

my p150em suddenly feels incredibly old T_T

 

I don't know, maybe it can all be taken advantage of by the NVidia driver. If I had to place a bet on it, I'd say that games wouldn't have to be written for that specific architecture, I reckon it would be taken care of by the driver.

 

I know how you feel. :/

 

Advanced earphone jack hahaha. So that's what Clevo will sell it as, when they have just a decent jack which is no longer an embarrassment.

Oh and I expect the 800M series to be rebrands, wholesale. Why else would they throw stupid amounts of VRAM on them? And when's the last time we were to months from the launch of genuinely new mobile cards, and there'd been no press or leaks on them? The writing is on the wall, folks. Read slowly.

 

8GB VRAM, seriously? Are they high or something? This is as ridiculous as the 2GB GT 610. Nobody falls for that marketing schtick anymore.

 

Damn, that's really tempting. I hope Clevo will have the option to remove the touchpad logo this time around. Any news on whether AMD will have something out during that time period?

 

If you're thinking of upgrading to Maxwell though, I'd really wait till the die shrink happens in late 2014.

 

Higher resolution needs more vram.

 

I reckon the 880M with 8GB won't be a re-brand, I reckon it'll be 28nm Maxwell. I think I have more faith in NVidia that they wouldn't just slap on an extra 4GB of GDDR5 onto a 780M - I really don't think they'd hear the last of that, they would get slated - 8GB would indeed be ridiculous if it was still Kepler. I think some of the lower 800M cards will be re-brands though. I really hope you're wrong about this, because that would make me sad for NVidia!

 

Yes, but you need the increased processing power from the GPU core to drive that higher resolution in order to make use of it. If the 8GB 880M is just a Kepler card, then it won't have the power to drive any resolutions that could use 8GB of VRAM. In fact, even if it was Maxwell, then 8GB sounds like too much; but perhaps there's an outside chance that Maxwell will utilize VRAM slightly differently, thereby being more efficient with greater amounts of VRAM & therefore requiring that 8GB.

 

How much VRAM do you think 4K uses? 'cause it sure as hell ain't 8GB. Not even half of that in most cases. And by the time you've cranked up the resolution and settings to use that much VRAM, you'd be running at, what, 5 FPS? Oh yeah, and 4K ain't coming to gaming notebooks anytime soon. 8GB VRAM is just retarded.

 

Totally agree, we barly have enough power to run ultra 1080p with 770m and 775m..

 

It's clearly so NVIDIA can say 'hey we have 8GB GDDR5 too!' when potential buyers compare to the PS4. We know that more VRAM doesn't make the PS4 faster but the layman doesn't.

 

That's an interesting point, but wouldn't Sony include the optimum amount of GDDR5 for their system, both for current & future games? I mean, GDDR5 is expensive right! I don't see why they'd dump a load of expensive RAM in their PS4 just to say they have 8GB. I think it's because the architecture of the PS4 is different to what we know with the PC, I think they'll end up using that 8GB somehow (and the 8GB in PS4 is shared with the entire system too, not just the GPU). Although, I agree, I'm not sold on the 8GB GDDR5 for the 880M, even if it's Maxwell, I'd take some convincing to see it's usefulness!

 

Please wake me up when the 20nm comes out.

 

1. "800M series will be rebrand"
GTX 680M = GTX 775M (With GPU Boost)
GTX 670MX = GTX 770M (With GPU Boost)
GT 650M/740M = GT 750M/740M (With GPU Boost)

Are you guys suggesting that Nvidia will do another round of rebrands? Not to mention use all the 800M series names for rebrands?
Doesn`t make any sense to me.

2. "LOL @ 8GB"
Maxwell will feature Unified Memory, or CUDA6 as Nvidia call it. Read about it.
Short story: Both CPU and GPU will share same memory pool. Which one is faster than DDR3 or GDDR5? Could the 8GB GDDR5 in the 880M be a way to promote the GPU as a system speed up as well?
Who knows what will happen to VRAM usage once Nvidia start doing some trickery with the information needed to be written and read by the system.


I think it would be strange to release all of these new GPUs if they only offer 10% better performance than current line. I understand their need to milk the cow, but would people actually upgrade from 780M if 880M was only 10% better? I think not. It would benefit Nvidia better to wait for 20nm production to ramp up before making all of these new GPUs for system builders, if the new architecture won`t be great.

There are so many uncertainties with the new cards. For one they have an onboard ARM processor as well as the CUDA cores. What will that ARM processor do? Offload stuff from the CPU to help it? Maybe the ARM need a decent amount of VRAM itself, hence the 8GB for 880M and 6GB for 870M?
Then there is the unified memory. What improvements will that have on the performance of the system? If they can reduce DDR3 usage and move more of the information on the GDDR5 instead, it would be a speed up for sure.

 

Exactly. 8GB GDDR5 makes a lot of sense for PS4 because of its HSA, but it makes no sense for a laptop GPU.

 

I think we probably agree. Cloudfire is making some interesting points though, if the 880M is going to be Maxwell then I can't come right out just yet and say that 8GB is going to be useless, but it sure does sound like a lot though! I'm just interested in finding out more about how this Maxwell is going to be working.

 

Oh yeah I didn't mean that the PS4's memory is a waste, I'm sure they will make good use of it, what I meant was that just because PS4 has more VRAM than PC GPUs doesn't mean that it is automatically faster - we know this, but your average layman Joe Public doesn't. PS4 owners frequently tout the extra VRAM in their online war crusade against PC gamers in online forums. So I think the notion that 'more memory = faster' is very common among the non-techie gamers.

 

By that token, you'd be hard-pressed to convince Average Joe to drop two grand on a GTX 880M notebook when he can get 8GB GDDR5 in a PS4 for $400.