Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

desktop 800 series arent even out yet. im guessing these are gonna be a rebranded 700 series.

 

... and probably similarly overweight at 2Kgs? If they get that down to 1.6-1.7Kgs without a tiny battery then I'd definitely look at it.

 

So 0.3kgs is too much for your to bear? It's a compact portable gaming machine, and the competition is either less powered or bigger/heavier, and mostly both.

The current W230ST gets ~ 4.5-5 hrs battery life. It's meant to be a portable gamer, not a sheepbook. The only thing that compares really is the Razer Blade 14, and it is not user upgradeable, holds a single mSATA SSD, has a horrible screen and at 1600x900, and costs $700 more.

They could probably drop 0.1-0.2 kgs with a redesign and alternate materials, but it would also likely cost hundreds more and/or be a lot louder and hotter.

 

Wouldn't be the first time. Remember the three generations of G92 that were GeForce 8800M, 9800M, and GTX 200M?

 

Don't forget 300M!

 

There's no G92 in GeForce 300M.

 

Ah, my mistake. I thought it was a rebrand of 200 series.

 

300M was OEM re-brands of lower-end (non-GTX) GPU's from 200M, same way 100M was re-brands of 9xxxM parts.

 

You have the w230? How is the fan noise?

 

Can't wait for the W230SS...

Although I'm not too much of a fan of QHD+ in a 13"... (Likely my eyes will pop out)

Hopefully they will continue to have the Chi-Mei as an option.

 

The M3800 is the same weight.

 

It's also Quadro K1100m which is ~ 750m not 765m. Big difference. One SSD slot, and one RAM slot (yes one according to specs), is 15.6", and supports only 35W CPU and embedded. It costs $1800 compared to $1000 for base W230ST model.

 

Funny to see how your thread spread around the internet.

New roadmap confirms mobile GeForce 800M series heading for February | VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA Maxwell GeForce 800M Mobility Lineup Launches in February 2014 - GeForce GTX 880M 8 GB To Lead The Pack

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There is no indication that these are Maxwell and may just be Kepler refresh. At least the lower end may likely be Kepler rebrands/refresh.

 

GTX 770M = GTX 670MX
GT 750M = GT 650M
GT 740M = GT 640M

Do you think Nvidia will do a third rebadge of these cards HT?
There are two 700M cards they can do a rebadge of which haven`t been done before. GTX 760M and GTX 780M.

GTX 870M can`t be GTX 780M since its 6GB which means it have a 192/384bit bus.
Just like GTX 680M was a new card, I think GTX 880M will be new too.

Anyway I look at it, I can`t see many rebadges of the 800M cards. Doing a third round of rebadges would be really low

 

They could double up the memory on those buses, for instance I hope that's not where the 8GB comes from! NVidia would get really slated for doubling up the memory on Kepler - I really hope this is not the case - not because I'm an NVidia nut, but because it would be ridiculous!

 

They could, but that would be the first time I think.
The reason why 700M even exist is because of GPU Boost. 600M series lacked it, 700M series run on higher clocks because of it.
Since 780M already have GPU Boost, 8GB 780M (880M) vs 4GB 780M would be how disastrous for Nvidia reputation? It would offer no extra performance and would be extremely revealing in reviews.

The past rebadges have always had higher clocks than previous series just to cover up the fact that they are rebadges. They can`t do that with 880M.

 

Who knows. From 680m to 780m they added cores. This time, they could just boost clock speed and add vRAM this time.

 

I guess they could, but isn't the 780M already knocking right up against the 100W limit. I know that 680M & 780M are 'supposed' to be 100W TDP, but I'm sure 780M just uses more Watts than 680M, and that 680M doesn't use 100W in stock form - 780M increased cores & voltage. I'm not sure there's much more room in a 100W budget to increase cores or clocks - unless they cherry pick silicon that can operate at high clocks with low voltage, which would cost loads & don't think that would be practical. I think they've reached the limit with the current architecture & TDP limits.

 

780m uses 20-25% more power.

 

Yep, you might have answered your own supposition.

 

780M goes up to 850MHz with GPU Boost.
I guess they could increase the clock to 900MHz, but seeing MSI and Clevo machines doing 85C on 850MHz I don`t think that would be very practical like Robbo explains.
GT60 reach 90C with 780M.
Then there is the whole power aspect. Notebooks with 180W PSUs (MSI) can barely overclock their 780Ms. Which means you hit the PSU limit on 880M running on 900MHz.
So we have both a thermal and power problem, which would rule out big OEMs which is Nvidia`s customers.

Using the highest number in the 800M series as a rebadge would make no sense either.

 

880M = Maxwell or BUST!

 

If they seriously put out a rebadge as 880M I do hope they bust. Like go bankrupt for BS us

 

I guess we only have a couple months to wait and see. Plus I think OEM's need to provide larger than 180W PSU for machines with the top tier GPU's. 780m was already pushing it, they could go with a 220W or 240W then. In any case, nVidia must have been done with the architecture design a while ago then, were just waiting on 20nm, then just said screw it when it got pushed back even more.

 

Seeing as it's definitely not 20nm and Haswell will still on be the CPU side of things it's not with me being a new notebook for this. I intend to sell my Samsung notebook when these arrive and then get an MXM version of the 880M installing it on my Clevo. Sell the 780m. Hopefully Premas BIOS allows this? Please day it would. Please! Then I will save up for a true successor notebook with 20nm GPU, Broadwell and DDR4. It's a plan!

 

It's a good plan if you want the best of the best! But might not be a value plan. If I was you I'd definitely wait till 20nm if you can, that way you get the 75 - 100% performance increase from a die shrink, which is on schedule to happen only 9'ish months later than the launch of the 28nm 880M. The smart buy is the 20nm in my opinion. But, it's fun to screw around with tech so I wouldn't blame you for buying 28nm Maxwell. Just for God's sake don't buy the 880M if it turns out to be a slightly overclocked version of your 780M with an additional 4GB RAM! (Haha, but you knew that already for sure I know!).

 

You have 40/60 odds.

Why not just keep the 780M equipped laptop for a couple years? Why even buy the P170SM with the 780M if you were going to upgrade in 2014?

 

Totaly agreed.

 

Got to agree with everyone, I do not know why you would need to upgrade so soon, unless you absolutely need to have the latest and greatest for bragging rights .

 

Yup, how I hate the waiting game
My machine is good enough to max out pretty much anything but Im always in the lookout for new tech. Neverending craze lol.

I`m totally with you on the PSU thingy. I think MSI is the only one offering 180W PSU too. Dell have 330W (yay) and 240W, Asus 240W, Clevo too I think on the 17" gamer notebook. 780M was undoubtly pushing the limit.

Don`t forget SATA-Express. All those things would make a nifty upgrade for sure

Its a sickness I tell you. The only remedy is death, or those woman that enter your life and start controlling the economy in the family. Put then you just replaced the problem with a new one

 

Good news: TSMC is starting 20nm mass production already next month.

Bad news: Apple is shifting from Samsung to TSMC to produce their A8 CPUs. I bet they have bought up some of the production there :/

TSMC poised to be leading 20nm chip supplier: analysts - Taipei Times

 

Could this mean these will actually be 20nm chips then? Or would Apple monopolize pretty much all the equipment?

 

I have no idea how fast Nvidia can get the products out.

All I know is that TSMC have done risk production the last 3 months to see if the process is right and since they are stepping up to mass production, its obviously ready for consumers.
I will guess that we atleast see 20nm by the first half 2014.

I know TSMC signed contract with Qualcomm, Broadcomm, Nvidia and Xilinx, back in September to ensure they would honor and still buy production from TSMC and not go to the competitors: Samsung/GloFo. So although Apple is a big OEM that needs a lot of 20nm chips for their iCrap, TSMC have a obligation to produce for the other companies as well I would assume. Nvidia is an old client and threatened to leave TSMC because of the horrible 28nm yields with early Kepler chips, but since they continued using TSMC and had only good words about TSMC months later, I would assume they have great respect for each other.

 

It's a little thing they call "Marketing".

"THIS GPU HAS EIGHT GIGABYTES OF VIDEO MEMORY! IT'S FASTER BECAUSE OF THIS!!! BUY THIS ONE!!!"

 

Yep, if that's the case then it's weak marketing for weak minds - enough said! (Although if it's Maxwell, then there's a few unknowns on how Maxwell can take advantage of extra VRAM perhaps - so if it's Maxwell the jury is out for me at the moment). (I've changed my opinion a little since I posted that comment that you quoted).

 

You know, I think 880M buyers, the one who need the bleeding edge, is more informed than that about VRAM and the impact it have on performance.
If it were GT 840M which goes in to cheap $1000 notebooks, I agree that the audience might be a litte less informed and would have died in ecstasy over the news about 8GB VRAM

 

I reckon the trend would be in that favour! All points to 880M only making sense to be Maxwell.

 

I couldn't tolerate the GT 650M anymore, it was struggling in modern games due to the DDR3 memory (could barely manage The Witcher 2 at low settings) and I had some money to spare so I impulse bought (well impulse is probably not be right word as I contemplated whether to purchase for months). Also I was scared that the new consoles would mean vastly more demanding PC ports, which turned out to be true.

Not bragging rights but my own personal satisfaction. I think I've become addicted to having the latest and greatest. I upgraded my Nexus 4 to a Nexus 5 this year for no other real reason than it was shiny and I wanted a better camera on my phone. Each time I have upgraded my laptop it has taken less and less time to get the upgrade itch. Not to say that I'm dissatisfied with my Clevo, far from it, I love it. I'm weak willed and if I have the money the upgrade itch will gnaw away at my sanity if the GTX 880M turns out to be a big improvement. I'm paranoid that the desktops are going to leave my laptop in the dust (I think because my GT 650M started to really struggle within the first year of its life) and seeing as most games are aimed at desktops (majority don't officially support laptop GPUs) I'm genuinely concerned what The Witcher 3 will require to run on high at 1080p. To sum up, I am addicted to new technology

Yeah, I think I have a genuine addiction to shiny new technology! :S Oh yeah, I would not touch it with a bargepole if it is just another Kepler - it has to be Maxwell at least for me to bother with it - that is a definite!

 

Than I wonder why you didn't get a P570M instead of a P170SM, since the P570M is bassicly the most powerfull laptop money can buy (on par with the Alienware (M)18).

 

Yes we will see 20 nm GPU's by the end of the year.

 

I had money saved up from my years at uni because I had been careful with my money, but I could not justify spending all of it when I had no guarantee of a job after graduating, so I spent some of it and kept the rest saved up - a wise decision as I still have not found a permanent job that I can get reliable income from. I currently have a temporary job at Royal Mail that is contracted for just one month - only one week left to go and I will be back to jobseekers allowance. It's a nightmare to be unemployed for so long after getting a degree and I would love nothing more than a permanent full time job, hell even if it was minimum wage I'd be ok with it, just anything for an income! I don't want to live on the scraps that the government drip feed me with. I want to earn my own income. Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked... but I can say that my new years wish is to get full time permanent employment!

 

LOL am I the only one here who reads AnandTech everyday?

AnandTech | NVIDIA Updates GPU Roadmap; Announces Volta Family For Beyond 2014

AnandTech | NVIDIA Announces CUDA 6: Unified Memory for CUDA

So I still don't see the point of 8GB GDDR5 on GTX 880M even assuming it's Maxwell? It's still not true unified memory like HSA or hUMA or whatever the heck AMD calls it. Maybe all this talk of "unified memory" is just Nvidia marketing speak to counter AMD and Kaveri.

So far Maxwell looks like it benefits Nvidia's efforts in the mobile space more than anything else. Integrating its own ARM CPU (Denver) onto the same package as a Maxwell GPU makes a lot of sense for a Tegra SoC, but how does it help discrete GPU's on PC? If everything is going to be an SoC eventually, maybe Nvidia should partner with Intel and get its own HSA initiative going on the PC side? Oh wait, Intel is already ahead of them at that. Ha!

Oh yeah, GDDR5 ain't cheap. Any bets on how much the Nvidia Tax will be this time around? :laugh:

 

mrw:

 

No... the P570WM is leagues faster than the Alienware 18.

 

Yep Intel hexa-cores FTW.

 

No, I know there's been talk of them being out end of 2014. I meant since they are rolling out 20nm now, could these 8xxm series be 20nm. I doubt it.

 

Not a chance. If TSMC is just starting mass production next month, we'll be looking at 20nm GPU's near the end of next year at the earliest.

 

It can go up to 12 cores with IB-E Xeons. But you lose cost-effectiveness.

 

Seems like 15-17" clevo are stuck with really old screens,hmm how many gens old?

maybe new model no. but still...

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