Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

I sure hope current laptops are compatible with the new maxwell GPU .

 

BIG NEWS!

Exclusive: NVIDIA Maxwell GM107 architecture unveiled | VideoCardz.com

New info.

 

Discussed here too for those interested:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...tails-about-nvidia-s-maxwell.html#post9563569

 

I'm waiting to see what happens at Computex 2014 in June. I'm willing to risk a 28nm Maxwell chip to give my poor Envy a retirement. Not in rush to buy, but at the same time, not gon'na continually hold my breath on a 20nm Maxwell.

 

Yeah, fair enough, even a good Kepler chip would be quite an upgrade from your existing 5650, so you'd notice a massive difference anyway! I should think we'd know more in June anyway, at which point there might be a date for 20nm Maxwell that you know you could wait for/or not wait for as the case may be.

 

Hey Robbo, will you be upgrading to 20nm Maxwell?

 

Probably not. It would be a good performance jump no doubt, twice the performance, but I only bought my card in June and given the 900p resolution of monitor combined with the very high overclock means that it's a bit faster in frames per second in games than a stock 780M for a 1080p screen, so I think I can make it last until Volta. I'll no doubt have to turn down settings over the next 2 years though! At the moment I can run everything on Ultra pretty much with good frames per second. Before I got this card I used to tweak games to about 30fps, but now since getting this one I can see the beauty of 45fps+ while getting great visuals (even 60fps+ I can now appreciate in really fast paced games like F1 2012 and Nexuiz - hence overclocking my panel to 78Hz).

Are you going to upgrade to 20nm Maxwell? What do you have now?

 

I'm embarrassed to say that I don't have anything now. I do intend to wait for 20nm Maxwell and have it in my Gaming and Everyday multimedia laptops. I don't care if there is Maxwell in the Laptop/Tablet convertible. So far I've just managed with my 7970 GHZ desktop, but suffered from lack of portability. So yeah, I intend to wait for 20nm Maxwell. My portable device is a Galaxy Note 3 N9005

 

Yeah, that's cool, no need to be embarrassed by that, sounds like you're waiting to make a smart choice of when to buy to catch the tech at the crest of the wave to get the best bang for your buck & longevity.

 

Thanks Buddy.

 

Guys just to clarify, this means no "High end" "GTX cards" will be released in 28nm in February because the lowest in GTX is a GK106 not 107? and we probably will have to wait to June for a 20nm?

 

Dude, I'm on a:
i5 2410M 2.3GHz-2.9GHz | 8GB (2x4GB) SO-DIMM DDR3 | GT 540M | Samsung 840 (not Pro or Evo) 120GB SSD.
It has served me good in school and since I have not had the possibility (sort of) to play games I haven't thought about it.
Hell, who am I kidding, I have a list thats long as hell for games that I want to buy when I buy a new laptop with a good 800M-series GPU.

So. Yeah. You do not need to be embarrassed. Haha I need an upgrade so bad and don't know if I will make it to 20nm.

 

Thanks guys. Good to hear.

 

I don't think anyone here would frown upon you because you don't have the latest and greatest.
You don't need the newest and most powerful hardware simply to be interested in them (or tech news in general) and if someone were to look down upon somebody else because of their hardware then they my friend live very sad lives and have screwed up definitions.

You do have a nice desktop config, I work (part-time) as a salesperson for a reseller for computer hardware (and much more) and the average "Joe" here in Sweden which buys a gaming desktop buys a 760 / 770 (OC) or a R9 280X, i5 4670K etc. It's quite seldom someone buys a 780 or so on and an i7 processor. It happens but not quite so frequent.

In my own opinion and as I always advise people is to buy a good "base" that you can improve on over the years, your sig looks damn nice but as you yourself stated you might benefit from an SSD (like a Samsung EVO).

Got a desktop craving myself especially with Silverstone's new "Raven" mITX case and an ASRock z87 mbot w. mSATA + Samsung EVO mSATA SSD to get that SFF awesomeness but sadly I still need a laptop and don't have either the space nor the economy (student) for both.

Broadwell seems delayed:
Digitimes
and I really want to play from "Day One" when ESO is released so I'll hold until the last possible moment and make a decision then if I should wait for 20nm Maxwell depending on the rumors. Sure, it'll (28nm) be better then what I have but it is a sour grape (?) to swallow if 20nm Maxwell gets released shortly thereafter.

 

" Just managed", he says, with a 7970 Ghz. Hehe this guy right here.

 

Asus N61Jq laptop, with a Radeon 5730m and a glorious i7 720qm (1.6 GHz quad core).

Aka, while you can turn down the graphic settings, I can't do anything about low FPS even if the eyecandy setting was set to 240p and minimal textures.

 

Ha up till 2011 I was rocking a Compaq Presario V2000 with AMD Turion 64 ML-30 processor and X200M integrated GPU. Pretty much anything from 2006 onwards was too demanding to be run, even CS:Source struggled on medium settings. Then got a Toshiba with i7-740QM and GTS 350M, which although was miles ahead of what I had, still didn't have enough power to push modern games at even high settings.

Was actually going to keep the Toshiba until Broadwell + Maxwell, but unfortunately the HDD decided to take a dump on me so I "prematurely" ended up with Haswell + Kepler. Some days I do wish I'd just spent a few hundred to get the Toshiba up and running so I could wait until the end of 2014 and go all out on an actual gaming rig. So yeah, if your laptop is still going strong and you aren't dying to play the latest games (I couldn't wait any longer), definitely hold out until the end of this year.

 

Yeah if he's looking for a notebook to surpass what his desktop can do, he's either gonna spend a fortune or be disappointed for quite a while.

 

Not looking for that. That would be really unrealistic. I say "just managed" since my only mobile device is a Note 3 N9005, which is not as powerful as pretty much any modern laptop, and, while an excellent phone, is not at all good as a laptop.

 

Asus G750JM-T4049H 17.3-inch Full HD LED Gaming Notebook (Intel Core i7-4700HQ 2.40GHz, 8GB DDR3 RAM, 750GB HDD, DVD-RW, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Nvidia GeForce GTX860M 2GB GDDR5, Windows 8.1 64-bit): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
GTX860M ASUS ROG G750JM at 1399$ ? the screenshots are gonna come soon

 

The description said it was slimmer... ooh la la.

 

Look at the pics in this link - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 final specifications | VideoCardz.com

Specifically this one -

Interesting stats.

And this is 28nm (desktop) Maxwell.

 

Oh man, I was excited about that, but then I started thinking - I still use my G50V - nothing at all like the G750's, but still a G series, so they might have simply been referring to older G series. Although, iirc, the recent g750's are a bit smaller than when they first launched, but not by much.

btw kudos for all the info in this thread. I recently graduated in ECE, but the discussion here has taught me a lot of practical stuff about GPUs (and how to read rumors rofl)

 

More than halfway through Feb, and no sign of the Clevo refresh? Surprising.

 

I wouldnt expect it until march

 

Sad. But then, considering that it won't be 20nm, not that sad.

 

any true oc reviews for 880m?

 

Yes there are.
Nvidia GTX 880m review

 

This was probably posted here tons of times but these new GTX880m are really going to be released this month?
I'm ready to buy a Clevo with a i7-4700MQ and a GTX780M and want it to last long (like 3-4 years).
But is really worth waiting for the new 28nm or even the 20nm? It feels like by the time they launch the new 20nm there will be rumours of another new GPU to be released and I ill be stuck in this waiting game forever.

(And off course feel free to point me to google or something if it was already discussed somewhere)

 

The general consensus on this thread is that Maxwell 20Nm 800 series is the one to wait for because the 900 series and probably the next gen also whatever it will be named will be overclocked refreshes of this one. Also because it-s expected to be a big performance leap (like 600 series kepler was to 500 series fermi)

 

February 18th has passed and still no maxwell:S, I am in desperate need of a laptop, I have made two mistakes by not buying the gtx 680 at 1850$ in 2012 and the gtx 770 at 1220$ in 1/2014, and now I am being torn apart by the wait while I sit on my 2006 inspiron 14 with 1.70 dual core 512 mb ram that lags when running war3 at the lowest resolution 360p...What do I do? buy a cheap i5+gt 740 for 999$ MSI gp 60 or wait for 28 nm or 20 nm ....

 

Wait.

//10chars

 

well, it seems like they'll deliver the 800M series relatively on time compared to the ~6 month delay that happened on 600M kepler.

 

hmm, seems like a good time to think about buying, just as my NP8150 (P150HM) is beginning to show its age...

 

I still have a 8600m gt in mine!

 

I wouldn't say that. The 28nm Maxwells are showing around double the performance per watt. So they will have better performance and use less power. The 20nm Maxwells should be even better. So, they both look good. Of course the more you wait, the better technology gets.

Most of the ones that say wait, are the ones that have a good card already and don't need to upgrade. Also, there was misinformation that 28nm Maxwell would just be an over clocked Kepler. The latest info shows otherwise, and people are excited about it. See the Maxwell thread in this forum fir more info.

 

I have been doing some search and have discovered a new Asus, the N550JK which supposedly have a 850m, funny fact is than in a page they have it listed as a ddr3 card, and in another as if it has a 840m

 

The 28Nm Maxwells are good but not WOW good. There will be a much bigger leap in performance with the 20Nm maxwell that is almost sure to come later in the year.
I have a 5 year laptop and I will wait for 20 Nm Maxwell simply because on the starting of a new architecture combined with a die shrink is when you will manage to get the most bang out of your buck.

Buying a 28Nm card now and have it be heavily outclassed just 6-9 months later would be a huge letdown for me so that's why I recommend waiting.

As to you pointing me to "the Maxwell thread"...the fact that I don't post that often doesn't mean I am not up to date with the new tech. I know all about the improvements that they managed to bring with the new architecture while retaining the same process size. That's why I'm expecting even more groundbreaking improvements with the decrease to 20Nm (improvements that will not be matched again in size until the next architecture + die shrink wich is atleast 2 years away)

 

Hm. I agree and disagree with you. "If" a person can wait that will be good but as you say there is always something newer around the corner. When the 20nm-versions are released you might feel inclined to wait for Broadwell and so prolonging the wait. I agree that it makes sense to wait especially being on the bandwagon with 20nm and reap the benefits in the long perspective. On the otherhand I really want a better laptop to play games on as fast as possible. Even before I read up on the 800M-series (both 28 and 20nm) I was itching to get a new laptop. I don't know exactly whats the consensus about when the 20nm-versions are going to be released, hopefully it might be in only a few months but lets say 28nm GTX860 et.al. are released in a month or two.

Then you have to wait until perhaps late 2014/early 2015 to see the 20nm versions and that is quite a long time :/
Of course unless you ABSOLUTELY have to have a new computer in the near future the best value for your money is to wait for the 20nm version(s).

Waiting to see when the GTX860 / 870 are released and then going to see whats the latest rumors are for the 20nm-version(s).
If its 6months or more I'll buy a new laptop regardless and if the newer 20nm is a real gamechanger compared to my 28nm I might just sell my "new" computer and take that loss and add some money inbetween and get a laptop with a 20nm GPU

Edit:

Hey, now when I think about it, buying a computer with a GTX860 (28nm) gives me "breathingspace" to wait for Broadwell AND a 20nm GPU. Think thats what I'll do.

 

Broadwell is not important from a gaming perspective... any hasswell i7 processor can play any game just fine. The real limiting factor is the GPU so logically the best way to futureproof your GAMING laptop is to buy when 20Nm is released.

Ofcourse if you have tons of money to spend you can buy something now and something better a litlle bit later. But for the most of us that's not really an option.

 

Please don`t bring Newton in to this

 

20 is going to be just like 28, broken. So buy now and when it comes out, sell it off and get the next model. And unless you are sporting "top" of the line gpu's each stage, then 28 to 20 is a moot point. Since none of them lower classed gpus can really hang with a 680M/780M and now a 880M. Not sure why people think this would change. Your shinny new 20 nm budget chip will still not out perform a 780M and i'm pretty sure a 680M will still beat it out as well. Just ask cloudfire. Them 770M's still cant over power 680M's. So what makes you guys think anything lower than 880M will do the same?

 

Because 680m is nearly 2 years old? 660m was nearly equivalent to a 480m when released, with an architecture change and a die shrink, after less than a two year span between the two GPU's... So why wouldn't a mid grade GPU of Q3 2014 outperform a top end GPU of Q2 2012?

 

Not exactly saying much as 560M was already on-par with 470M and 480M. First-gen Fermi was a nightmare, especially on mobile.

Because 128-bit memory bus.

 

Correct. A 680M is nearly 2 years old. We are in agreement here. It was only used as an example.
Sorry, but a 480M was not the top of the line gpu, the 485M was. So you need to use that as you starting point. And the 660M still got beat by a 485M. (With an architecture change and a die shrink)

As to the last question...We will wait till it's actually here. I hope you are right, but usually everyone is wrong when it comes to new tech hitting the floor. And it does not perform as expected.

 

Well I was thinking that if I sell my "old" (28nm) computer and buy a new one when 20nm is out and/or Broadwell (since I guess that computer will sport some other differences except 20nm and Broadwell, i.e. well haha, can't think of anything but something new!) I might loose...oh...€200? So theoretically if I buy a computer for €1000 and sell it for €800 and buy the new one for lets say €1100 then sure, I would have "lost" some money but I would have still had a pretty sweet rig in the mean time. And math is not my strong suite so well, "lost", "earned" etc. haha. My meaning is that I will still get some money off my "old" computer even though I will have to deduct some from the sum I bought it for.

I don't know if you are talking to me but I think the 880M is out of my pricerange. I have no illusions about that a 20nm GTX860/870M will outperform an 880 but if it would mean a nice improvement I might consider upgrading. Ofc if the gain is small even if I wait for Broadwell and other technical improvements that might follow or be standard when I would upgrade to 20nm then I would choose not to

 

@TheSwede86
It all boils down to what someone wants and can afford really
I just hate to see so many people have buyers remorse. It is exactly why we are testing the 880M the way we are now. So there are no hidden surprises and you know exactly what you are in for when you go to buy. I would do the 860M & 870M the same way if i had access to them.

 

Reading thorough reviews of launched production laptops with these GPU before plunking down cash is a smart move.

 

Not sure who said that was "not" a smart move?

 

Yeah I know. All I was commenting on was that it was my "investment" would be worth 0 (or require "tons" of money which I took to be, well an overstatement) after 6-9 months. I.e. I won't have to buy a "whole" new computer (pricewise) but can deduct some costs from the new (20nm) one by selling my old (28nm) one. But of course, as you say if people don't have that extra money inbetween or don't think its worth it then I totally agree. Most grateful for the testing and don't mean to sound ungrateful, I am simply reireterating my point.

(This of course is IF a significant performance gain is between the two figurative laptops that would justify upgrading)

I don't know if you were refering to me (guess not since I was not quoted) but yeah, of course it is.
Although, as I guess is johnksss point, is that some people might want to buy before a review comes out of a laptop with that chip and then it would be most helpful to hear about peoples experiences and its performance.

Off-Topic: Sorry about the bad grammar, early here in Sweden and due with an exam in a few hours, little sleep. But hockey today, Sweden - Finland in the Olympics. Aw yeah ^^