Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

New laptops coming soon ? I feel it can come every day from now

 

Does this mean that they are all rebrands, or do they just have the misfortune to be put with the 780M/880M ?

 

Heres Gigabyte's:

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Its interesting. One would think we are close to a 800M launch now.

Its way too confusing to even try to guess what will happen. GM107 in 28nm was confusing. GTX 850M is launching too, and not GT 850M (GT 550M, GT 650M, GT 750M all happend before, no GTX), makes it even worse to try to find some system in the chaos

 

At this rate I wonder if we'll even see a true 20nm Maxwell mobile GPU this year...

 

Had a discussion here earlier about buying now or waiting for Maxwell 28nm or even the "true" Maxwell 20nm.
What I leaning towards now is to wait for the GTX 860M or if it is released the GTX 865M regardless if it comes in 28nm or 20nm.
Im no expert but it makes no sense if Nvidia releases the 860M/865M in 28nm only to launch a 20nm version a few months later, to me that signifies that they are quite far off and perhaps might coincide with Broadwell. But hey, I'm no expert but it seems wasteful of Nvidia to launch 28nm only to release 20nm a few months later.

Edit: Sure a 870M, why not. All depending on price/performance. As of right now at least here in Sweden the GTX 765M offers the best price/performance, the GTX 770M is still quite a lot more expensive.

 

Depends how badly you need an upgrade! If you can wait, then that's gonna give you best bang for your buck, upgrading as the 20nm comes out is the bang for the buck if you can wait till the end of the year. I can't imagine a world where there wouldn't be 20nm GPU's this time next year at least! Like you, I find it hard to believe that NVidia will release a high performance GPU to best the 880M for quite a few months at least - hence the end of the year, which also coincides with information floating around as to when 20nm will be ready.

 

Guys AMD's new GPU (290) is said to have the best price/performance ratio and notebookcheck says even though its identical to the 8970 with slightly higher clock speeds, it should perform just under 780...The confusing part is the gtx 770 performs better in gaming nearly all the time in low settings (720p) How can this be possible?..We need cloudfire's opinion on this and since the 880 is going to be a re-brand, is it wise to buy the cheaper amd at 1299 compared to the 880 at 1850$ minimum? even if it means slight decrease in performance?

 

Only you can answer this for yourself.. Probably best to wait on concrete information about performance of the 800 parts. No one knows any facts from shipping notebooks yet.

 

It's wise to buy the GPU that best fits your needs. If you have to buy a GPU now, and game at 720p, and you say the 770M performs better at that resolution then buy that one! I don't think it's smart to buy a new GPU now full stop! 20nm Maxwell at the end of this year I think is the way to go. Forget the 880M/780M nonsense unless you just can't wait. (Well, the 780M is a good GPU, but expensive, but forget the 880M at the very least!).

I have to say I've never owned an AMD card, but they're not as tweakable/overclockable as the NVidia cards in general, but they are cheaper. Driver support seems to be maybe a bit more patchy with AMD, and definitely if you ever consider an AMD crossfire setup. NVidia is a bit more solid I think, runs cooler, overclocks better, more ultimate performance, MORE expensive! I should probably go AMD sometime to get some balance!!

 

Get was best for you and your budget at the time of your purchase. Tech is always getting better, there is always something "better" coming. If you go with the high end amd it's best at this point to pair it with an intel cpu to get the best performance out of it.

 

Yeah, there's always something better coming along, but the fact is that performance goes up in large steps & chunks when a new architecture is released on a smaller process (e.g. Maxwell on 20nm). Therefore, if 20nm is not far away from launching it doesn't make much sense to spend money on current gen tech that is going to be almost immediately superseded. If a person can hold off for a number of months to get that better deal, then that makes more sense to me.

 

How good do you guys found the new 750ti with 75W TDP? Is possible the laptop version will do even with lower TDP?

 

I agree. One must remember that 20nm just like 28nm, will stick with us for several years. GTX 680M was and still is a really good card, because you get so much potential with overclocking on the first cards from a new node. So I say buy the first high end card from 20nm, and stick with it, until 16nm is here. If you need more performance in the meantime, overclock it.

For those who can`t wait until 20nm is ready, atleast see what happens this month. If the first Maxwell`s in Mobile is 28nm too, you will still get a better product since its a brand new architecture, while the old cards is running the old Kepler. Who knows what you can do in terms of overclocking or wether the cards run much cooler than Kepler.

The card doesnt have any power connectors you find typically on graphic cards. Both GTX 750 and 750 Ti run exclusively on the PCI-e connection which have a power limit of 75W.
Laptop graphic cards will be binned, will run on lower voltage and will be clocked lower. TDP and power consumption should be significant lower

GTX 780M is like 20% faster than a R9 M290X.
8970M is the exact same card as M290X, and it cost $550. GTX 780M cost $600.
GTX 780M is clearly better performance/$. That may change with resellers though, since they charge a crapload for the hardware because people are willing to pay top dollars for the best GPU.

As for the GTX 770M perform better in low settings: I believe you have compared MSI GX70 against a different notebook with i7 and GTX 770M. The reason why GTX 770M perform better is because the GX70 have a crappy AMD CPU which choke the GPU resulting in much lower performance than it should. Notebookcheck found out that a GX70 with A10 CPU and 8970M perform the same as a Clevo with GTX 760M and i7 across 18 games in average. Do not buy GX notebooks from MSI even if its cheaper. You gonna regret it if you play many games.

 

I agree but I does not make any sense for me if Nvidia should release basically a rebranded 6XXM/7XXM which are similar except for higher speeds (i.e. 28nm 8XXM) and then a few months later release (yet again!) 8XXM but with 20nm architecture.

"Just in! The new NEWER GTX8XXM! Compared to the GTX8XXM released a few months ago this has 20nm architecture! Faster and draws less power and generates less heat!"
Consumers: "OK, I just bought this "latest" 800-series GPU from Nvidia a few months ago and SO SOON they release a new much more improved GPU?"

Think this will make the ordinary consumer mad and make him/her feel cheated.

Sure, you can never tell when a new product is released but it just feels....greedy to release a 28nm version and call it "800M" and then re-release it a few months later in a 20nm verison. Nvidia must know this and if so why not just wait and skip a 28nm version of "Maxwell", go with the 7XXM-series they have now and just release it (800M-series) in 20nm and only 20nm? The market will fragement and a lot of laptops with the 28nm version will be well, not useless but seriously disadvantaged when the 20nm verisons are released. They have to dump the prices for these computers if they are going to be able to compete with the newer 20nm versions.

How should they inform consumers and make the difference known to them?
"This is the latest 20nm Maxwell 800M-series GPU"
Consumers:

 

Yeah, that's why I think it's going to be the end of this year for 20nm high performance Maxwell GPUs, which coincides with info floating around as to when 20nm is going to be ready. They might call them the 900 series to differentiate them.

 

This makes much more sense.
800-series = 28nm "Maxwell"
900-series = 20nm Maxwell

Edit: Earlier gave a link which said that 20nm production was set for the end of the year, that article was from 2013, as stated below 20nm production is already underway

No 20nm for Elder Scrolls Online it seems...

 

Uuuuh...that article was written january 2013.
TSMC is producing 20nm RIGHT NOW.

 

Ah, interesting! I'm still gonna bet we won't see high end mobile Maxwell GPUs (to replace the 880M) until the end of the year though (Oct - Dec). That's my guess, I'll hold onto it for now, and then see how far off I am!

 

Only low end desktop might be 28nm.
Remember that the only 28nm Maxwell card we know of is in the 700 series.

800 series might be exclusive for 20nm Maxwell. Oh, and rebrands.

Coirrect. They started January 16th with mass production. About a month with 20nm production now

Its always been like this. 600 series was no different.
We had 28nm Keplers in that series as well as 40nm Fermi too.

We dont even know they will be doing 28nm Maxwell with mobile GPUs. We only know of GTX 750Ti, which is a 28nm Maxwell, built on the GM107 chip.
The other Maxwell card we know of is GT 840M, but that one is built on a completely different chip, called GM108. That one could be 20nm.

 

Not sure if this was posted here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeFo...1161872232?_trksid=p2054897.l4276&afsrc=1

 

Sorry about that, read the year wrong, lol.

 

lol 8 GB GPU on a laptop?

 

Already posted many times.
Benched by chinese sites as well as our own members.

 

NVIDIA CUDA Compute Capabilities in R334.67 and Maxwell GPU Codenames | Geeks3D

My guess is that GM2xx is 20nm while GM107 (GTX 750Ti) and GM108 (GT 840M) is 28nm.Why else would they have GM in 1xx and 2xx?
The very good news is that no GM104 or GM106 is mentioned. Looks like only the low end, GM1 08/GM1 07 get 28nm.
Awesome. :thumbsup:

 

More details about 28nm desktop Maxwell - MSI GeForce GTX 750 (Ti) Maxwell Series detailed | VideoCardz.com

 

Hmm, maybe that GM204 is a 860 Ti? Really need to update the card in my desktop...

 

just what i was looking for, thanks, now i can spend money on a gpu equivalent to the price range of a mid-range desktop

 

UpgradeMonkey usually jacks up the price sky-high artificially in the hopes that a few people will be dumb enough to take the buy-it-now price. If you make them an offer they are more than willing to negotiate a realistic price. To get an idea of how much the margin is just look at their home base price: NVIDIA GTX 880M (I'm pretty sure even that is carrying a huge profit margin due to the lack of competition in this niche/not-entirely-legal market.)

 

How come it's not entirely legal sponge, which part?

 

GM 204 will be the high end Desktop Maxwell, instead of GM 104. GM2xx will should arrive afterwards.

 

what I fail in understanding I gain in acceptance. you want more and more always

 

Yeah.....about that....

 

Idon'tknowwhythereisa10characterminimum

 

Just read that ARM`s next Cortex chip, A17, which will be releasing in 2015, will be built on 28nm. They won`t go to 20nm until its cost effective, and will be sometime in 2015...

 

Arm cores are produced at the scale that people want since they just come up with a core design so they will be produced at many size scales.

 

In forums the game is not to simply agree with everything thrown at you, its to state your opinion.

I think it's dumb to want more and more 780m was released and handles all games just fine

 

Sure, you can have whatever opinion you want, I'm sure you don't need to precis it with a philosophical statement though! ;-)

 

And what about when we move to higher resolutions? There's already several multimedia laptops sporting 1440p. The only reason gaming laptops don't is because GPUs won't be able to run them.

Also, while the "game" is not to simply agree with everything thrown at you, it is ALSO not to call someone dumb. Actually that's in the forum rules.

 

The problem is not to run properly every games from 2013, the goal is to have the max. of performance in the high end Gpu's. People do not really care about having 60 or 80 fps. Customers want new tech, more perf with less heat, an increase in features and raw power (i.e. more cores in order to run more games). If not why changing mobile gpus every year, just get a high mid range gpu and go for medium settings 900p for 3 or 4 years

 

GTX 880MX will run cooler than GTX 780M while being so much more powerful.
Whats not to like about that?

That said, I do feel higher res screens than 1080p should be standard on the upcoming notebooks. It will reach ridiculous frames in most of the "old" games, plus master 1080p on the newest ones (Not SSAA etc).
Alienware 18 with GTX 880MX in SLI, whats even the point with a 1080p display?

 

I don't know about that cooler part. Unless it's running in a mac with bigger heat sink. The whole rest of the card draws more heat than the core does.

 

ASUS GeForce GTX 750 series detailed, plus the real specs of GM107! | VideoCardz.com
owwww 640 CC my friends, the redesigned arch. is here ! but what about perfs..

 

I think Cloudfire is talking about what he is calling the "880MX", that's not been released yet, it's a projected Maxwell card, we have no idea what it's going to be called though. He's just referring to the next high end Maxwell card that is going to come out on 20nm (or maybe he's even thinking 28nm - not sure). So, it's not the 880M that you were probably referring to, which is just a hyped up 780M.

 

Correct, I wasn`t reffering to GTX 880M which is hot like a thousand suns.
I was talking about the upcoming Maxwell high end card we get. Take GTX 680M for example. It ran much cooler than GTX 580M (Fermi`s greatest chip), but was so much better. I expect this will happen again with GTX 880MX against GTX 880M.

Dang, so the GPU-z screenshots we saw was wrong because GPU-z didnt know how to read them? I`m a bit sceptical though, because they just added support for GM107. We will see.

But if GM107 truly have 640 cores, that changes everything.

GTX 650 Ti:
760 cores @ 928MHz (705280)
3DMark11 score: 4559

GTX 750 Ti:
640 cores @ 1098MHz (702720)
3DMark11 score: 5611

5611/4559 = 1.23
705280/720720 = 1.001

This means that Maxwell is esentially 20-25% more efficient than Kepler!

 

Yes, your calculations for 'per core efficiency' make sense there to me. Although, I don't know if we can conclude how power efficient they are just from that information, maybe the cores are more complex than on Kepler with a greater Watt per core consumption, which would negate the efficiency calculations that you did there. If it's the same Watt per Core as Kepler, then yes, they'll definitely be more efficient, and it would be a great thing to see a 20% more efficient chip just due to the architecture alone (not including future increased effiicency from process size reduction).

 

Yep.

Performance per core looks much better.
According to ChinaDYI which Videocardz got the information from, GTX 750 ran 3DMark11 with temperatures around 35C. With 30% fanspeed.
We know many of the cards will run exclusively on PCI-e and does not need external power. That did not happen with Kepler.

So it looks like:
Performance is better
Runs cooler
Use less power (need to be confirmed)

I say its looking pretty promising.

 

Still that's pretty impressive for the trial run of Maxwell.

 

Yeah, that's the key thing to know, how much power (Watts) are being used. Performance per Watt is what matters to us in the mobile space - and in the desktop space too ultimately. (It's only commercially viable to design systems to get rid of so much heat without damaging the silicon through high temperatures & high voltages - 100W for mobile cards, 300W for desktop cards; performance per Watt is where it's at).

 

Just seen your sig, sure you want to buy a new laptop in August? If you can hold off till Christmas I think you've got a good chance of snagging a 20nm Maxwell, which could have twice the performance per Watt of our current gen cards.