Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

The 870M isn't Maxwell, clearly. Just based on the GPU-Z, it's an overclocked 680M w/ 192-bit bus and 25% of its ROPs chopped off..

 

Anyone have a solid ETA on the Clevo W230SS release via Sager or XoticPC? Not sure what model number Sager will give it - NP7330S.. NP9330? Both Sager & XoticPC have withdrawn the NP7330 (Clevo W230ST) from their websites in the last day or two, so I am guessing (hoping) the refresh will be very soon...

 

yes, the gtx 860M becnhmarked and screenshoted

 

Do you have a link? Tried searching for it and can't find it anywhere.

 

havent expressed myself right, i meant, the 860m will be finally benched and screenshoted my bad..

 

In that case so will 960M, 1060M or whatever they call future gen GPU's, which makes your comment pretty useless, even more so than mine right now .

 

actually i was answering neurus333 who said the w230ss in coming soon and so on..
i said "yes, the gtx 860M will finaly be etc...."

 

I'm usually one to root for the underdogs, and in fact prior to AMD's destruc I mean acquisition of ATi, I bought ATi exclusively. And let's not forget how AMD was spanking Intel's a$$ during the Netbust debacle. But now it seems AMD has simply stopped trying. I too hope they never fold, but they seriously need to get their act together.

 

Ah those were the days! I remember upgrading from the slow and overheating debacle that was the Prescott Pentium 4 to an Athlon 64 X2 4400+. Literally a night-and-day difference and by far the biggest performance upgrade, in all aspects, that I've ever experienced in my PC history. It's kinda ironic during those Athlon XP and Athlon 64 days how AMD was kicking Intel's a$$ in the exact same ways Intel is kicking AMD's a$$ now. While Intel was chasing 10 GHz with NetBurst and building micro-furnaces like the dual-core Pentium 4 AKA Pentium D, AMD had the efficient low MHz high IPC chips that were the preferred choice of enthusiasts. Now the roles are completely reversed LOL.

 

Ironic indeed. Almost seems like AMD learned nothing from Intel's NetBurst episode. I mean a 220W chip, really? I joke around about how modern desktops can serve as a heater in a pinch, but AMD has gone too far with the FX chips.

 

Intel never got to 4 GHz let alone 10 GHz before they scrapped NetBurst, but AMD was first to 4 GHz and then to 5 GHz. LOLOLOL

 

I'm waiting for the day AMD comes up with a 10 GHz chip that has a 1000W TDP and requires its own independent PSU just to run. Now THAT would truly be something.

 

Well they've got until at least 2015 when the Excavator chips out before the Bulldozer microarchitecture is replaced entirely by something hopefully more efficient. MAKE 10 GHZ HAPPEN AMD.

 

They need to leave 5 ghz alone let alone shooting for 10. That FX-9590 is a joke.

 

Honestly I'm not sure why AMD bothers with this numbers game. If they're trying to impress the average Joe, well the average Joe probably hasn't even heard of AMD. If they're trying to impress the enthusiasts, well then they're doing it wrong.

 

I tried to approach it as an average joe by buying an fx-4100. Then swapped to the 4130. Then swapped to the 6100 and it still was not faster than a first gen I3.

 

Perhaps that was their last "hurrah" for the high end desktop chips.

AMD seems to be fully committed to APUs and ARM server chips now. And there aren't even poor-quality rumors about desktop 8-core Excavator ships.

Can't blame them because they're hemorrhaging cash, and need something profitable.

 

They haven't had a last hurrah for quite some time.

 

I think AMD is making some good choices. Balanced APU's with dedicated graphics and concentrating on SoC and consoles. That being said, their saving grace is their integrated GPU which was great with Llano but never went anywhere. Now the IGP's are crippled by limiting the CPU to single channel RAM and low frequencies. Not to mention laptops with 25W APU's going into 14" and 15" big and bulky laptops instead of a thin and light 11-13" where they would probably out perform Intel's offerings (granted at a higher TDP), and much lower price point.

In any case, we should see some Clevo's hopefully sometime this month with Maxwell, and other vendors too. I'm really curious to see how the TDP fares.

 

I assume you mean the midrange 845m, 850m and 860m (Maxwell), and 870m and 880m (Kepler)?

Unfortunately I need to wait another 6 months for something that beats my 780ms (I'm not counting the 880m rebrand)

 

AMD have pretty much given up on following Intel.
Their next high end CPU architecture, called Excavator, will be produced in 28nm.

Intel in the meantime, have been out with 14nm Broadwell when AMD`s Excavator`s APUs arrive. LOL.

Not exactly encouraging that nobody have heard anything about any upcoming new GPU architecture from AMD either.

 

Id be curious if nvidia milked Maxwell for a long time if nobody is there to push them.

Beamed from my G2 Tricorder

 

The next AMD GPUs will probably be GCN 1.1 or 1.2 or something. I doubt AMD would modify the uarch too much or else they might have to write new drivers for mantle compatibility.

 

^ this ..although I'm not all that curious - I expect it.

 

As this article points out the GTX860M seems to already been tested here (i.e. "Notebookreview") but if somebody has missed it: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M Features Maxwell GM107 Core and 45W TDP – Benchmarks Unveiled

Edit:
For my fellow (swedish) countrymen (and women):
Nvidia Geforce GTX 860M i prestandatest – Maxwell för bärbara datorer

Original source for both articles:
New details about Nvidia`s Maxwell

 

What's wrong with the TDP?

 

Different architecture.
Kepler and Maxwell.

 

There was an article explaining why AMD stuck with 28nm.

TMSC stated that going to 20nm can improve efficiency UP TO 20%... but some of the test chips yielded no performance improvement.

And they also said that 20nm die would cost 40% more than an 28nm die. And the 20nm die was optimized for low power usage, so that would bring down the clock rate even more.

AMD decided to stick with a more mature 28nm so they can bump the clock rate for Excavator instead of rolling the dice and being stuck with the bill.

The problem lies with Global Foundries and TMSC.

EDIT: I wonder what would the performance gain would be if AMD had access to Intel's fabs...

EDIT2: And AMD had their hands tied with the console APUs, and the ARM APUs.

Here's an interesting read about Steamroller's interworkings: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...roller-digging-deep-into-amds-next-gen-core/1

 

My main concern is the improvements won't scale into higher end cards as much as we expect in terms of performance. Ohh the anticipation

 

So 860M onboard is Maxwell, and 860M MXM is Kepler? Now that's some messy naming.

 

On the contrary, totally intuitive.. ..not

 

Arrrrhh, Cant wait any longer to see the W230SS!

 

The majority of the people who purchase a machine with this GPU in it will have no clue which one they are getting. It seems to me the only dead give away is the VRAM amount?

 

The package names are both N15P-GX which is more interesting.

 

More confusing, more like. And yeah, VRAM seems to be the only way to tell them apart (besides TDP).

 

Hey guys, I just placed my order for a Clevo W230SS from Mythlogic and I have a question. So far the system is equipped with the Nvidia GTX860M, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 1866MHz, Samsung 840 PRO series 256GB SSD. KILLER WirelessN 1202, Windows 7 pro. But I am torn, currently the build will be using a i7 4810MQ 2.8GHz processor, and the i7 4910MQ 2.9GHz is within my budget. Should I pull the trigger on the 4910MQ? Or would I just be chasing numbers and not really see a difference in gaming performance?

 

You will see very little difference in FPS. Maybe slightly more FPS in the games that is CPU bound, but even there it will not be worth the money. Look at my sig. I have a GTX 770M SLI notebook and my 4800MQ is more than enough.

Nah, save your money and either upgrade that SSD to 512GB, or RAID 2x256GB, or, just save the money

 

Awesome, boy oh boy I can't WAIT for that puppy! My ASUS G72GX has been going strong (Amazing how long a well maintained ANYTHING can last), I'll be said to finally replace her

 

Don't bother with the 4810MQ even, unless you need pure CPU horsepower for things like encoding or compiling. The system just can't manage the heat well enough with both CPU and GPU loaded. 4700MQ is more than sufficient.

 

Actually I support HT here. CPUs are pretty hard to cool off compared to GPUs, pick the 4700MQ instead. More than enough.
The 4810MQ cost the same as 4700MQ at Mythlogic I see so I understand its tempting, but heatwise it may be smarter to go with 4700MQ in that 13".

According to the Notebookcheck test, the 13" managed to cool off the 860M without problems (88C Max with Furmark on full blast), but the 4810MQ reached 99C on Prime95. I know its totally unrealistic scenario and stress the CPU beyond what a game can do, but I think a 4700MQ that runs 400MHz lower could be a better choice.

 

The option to underclock and undervolt removes any advantages of an equally-priced yet slower processor in my opinion..

 

The 4700MQ is extremely unlikely to run cooler than the 4810MQ. The latter is a new part released last month which is based on a new CPU stepping whereas the former is a C0 stepping part from last June. Both have a TDP of 47W, but the 4810MQ will almost certainly run cooler at the same frequency which means that you're better off with that, particularly since the laptop is capable of Nvidia's frame rate locking trickery which downclocks the CPU to whatever it needs to run at (or, if you want, you can manually limit the CPU yourself). Basically, don't buy silicon from more than half a year ago when you can get a better product released last month for the same price.

That said, I wouldn't bother with the 4910MQ. Even leaving aside the issues with heat, the miniscule increase in performance is not worth it unless you are absolutely certain that you will be using it for programs which require the extra L3 cache. If you don't know, you probably aren't the target audience for that CPU.

 

That is also a good plan but not everyone want to resort to changing CPU speeds and voltage. But a good idea non the less. Good value if OP want to do that

Hmmm, very interesting.
Too bad notebookcheck didn`t follow up the Ivy Bridge review they did with the revised Ivy CPUs that came along later with new stepping. Would be interesting to see actual numbers.
There was a 4C difference between 3610QM and 3820QM and there was a 400Mhz difference there.

4910MQ is also a 47W TDP btw, and it goes up to 3.9GHz. Compare that with 4700MQ with a TDP of 47W that goes up to 3.4GHz. I`m very inclined to say despite them two having same TDP, the 4700MQ will run cooler despite the new stepping. Impressive if Intel managed to improve them so much.

 

If the cost is the same, then 4810MQ isn't a bad deal, because you will have the option to run it faster for just CPU intensive stuff like encoding or compiling like I noted. But for gaming, I'd just clock it down to 3.0GHz anyhow and undervolt it, so you won't gain much from gaming in that regard whether it's a 4700MQ or 4810MQ unless Clevo made some significant improvements in cooling from last year's model to this one, which is possible but unlikely.

 

I'm pretty sure the 4810MQ is binned better than the 4700MQ and thus would allow better undervolting (if both CPUs were at the same clock rate). After all, it's clocked it 400 MHz higher.

 

In Norway there is an option of Clevo 375s with two gtx 860m(sli) in Norwegian->

(Multicom Clevo P375S 17.3" Full-HD 4. gen Intel Core i7-4700M, 16GB, 120GB SSD + 1TB 7200 Hdd, 2 x GF GTX 860M 4GB (SLI), DVDRW.)

Can anyone take an educated guess on what kind of perfomance we get out of a machine with those specs?
Notebookcheck has tested one gtx 860m NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M - NotebookCheck.net Tech, but I don`t know enogh to make any guesses what kind of perfomance gtx 860m SLI would do.

 

Not the same 860m though as it will use the kepler one.

 

on a guess, I would look at 770MX-SLI. the 860M did perform roughly on the level of the 770MX (even if it was Maxwell), the Kepler-version of the 860M should not be much of a difference, according to Schenkers FAQ on the 860M.

 

My W230ST in a ~20°C room on a flat table surface with no extra cooling device. CPU fully loaded for a long time by Prime95. DGPU not running. CPU is 4700 with 75mV UV.

Edit: I did raise the back with two bottle caps. The above readings was achieved with max fan on, but turning it off does not seem to make much difference in temperature.

 

Good values there Koala
Much better than the 99C NBC saw when running Prime95. Amazing what some undervolting can do to temperatures!