Clevo notebooks with 800M series coming out February 2014

the GT 630M was not a kepler card
the only mid range kepler cards are the GT(X) 640/650/660M

 

Huh, guess I remember wrong then.

Well in that case, no Kepler was announced during CES 2012 and they were announced late in March. Only notebooks with Fermi rebrands were shown @ CES.

Not exactly uplifting to hear and hopefully it is not a trend

 

Nvidia are the king of re brands, they have been doing it since the geforce 2-4 series. They have been at this game for the last 12 years so never put it past them.

 

Oh I absolutely believe there will be some rebrands

Even when Kepler was launched we had 670M and 675M as rebrands. 640M/650M/660M/680M were all Kepler.

And with the 800M series:
840M/850M/860M/870M/880M all rebrands?

Nah not happening

 

The next person I catch attempting to rewrite history in this thread is going to the lions smothered in ketchup. Don't ask how, I have connections.

 

Low end cards:

GT 555M: N12E (fermi)
GT 640M/650M: N13E (kepler)
GT 630M: N13E (fermi)
GT 740M/750M: N14E (kepler)
GT 840M/850M: N15E (???)

High end cards:

GTX 580M: N12E (fermi)
GTX 670M: N13E (fermi)
GTX 660M: N13E (kepler)
GTX 760M/780M: N14E (kepler)
GTX 860M/880M: N15E (???)


They increase the counter one digit for all next series cards regardless they are rebrand or new.

500M: N12E
600M: N13E
700M: N14E
800M: N15E

 

Yep, so we can't predict whether it will be Kepler or Maxwell based on those codes then Cloudfire - those are the codes listed in the drivers right, where the new cards have come to light as listed in those drivers?

 

Btw, the PDF linked in the OP is down

 

Correct, it seems like its just an identifier on which series it belongs to, not which architecture. The rest after that identify the card itself.
Like GTX 680M is N13E- GTX and GTX 675MX is N13E- GSR.

Yeah, the GTX 880M was already listed in a driver back in August this year. Not sure what to think about that really.
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/30350-inf-v4132/

Nice catch. Clevo and Nvidia was probably not happy for that roadmap being open for public. I think its strange it stayed up that long lol

 

Yeah thats true.

I hope that someone has downloaded it though?... and can re-upload for us.

 

LOL!

Nowadays everyone seems to blame AMD for rebrands, even though they have probably done it much less than the rip-off nVidia.

 

The relation is not between the cards its between their performance compared to the top card (580) in 2011 and (680) in 2012, I base it on the average fps in gaming and ironically a GTX 770 performs in real 720p gaming better than the 680 nearly all the time, the 680 wins in 1080p because of 256

 

GTX 680M wins because it have more cores (1344 vs 960). Bandwidth is designed by Nvidia to be quick enough for the amount of cores.

GTX 770M makes up a little for the core difference by running on higher clocks. But still not enough hence why 680M is 10% (ish) faster than 770M in 1080p.
And 680M is faster in 720p too.

Just compare "high" here:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770M - NotebookCheck.net Tech
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

 

The K5100m (which has been out for quite a while now) is already called " N15E-Q5-A2".
Just saying...

 

Yes already discussed in this thread earlier.

What concerns me a little bit is:

GTX 580M: N12E-GTX
Quadro 5010M: N12E-Q5
Same identical card

GTX 780M: N14E-GTX
Quadro K5100M: N15E-Q5
Same identical card

Meaning they had the same number on Fermi between Geforce and Quadro but not with Kepler...
I hope it doesnt mean anything. What do you think?

EDIT:
To make it a little more weird

GTX 680M: N13E-GTX
Quadro K5000M: N14E-Q5
Same identical card

Maybe they changed naming system with Kepler? idk

 

Yeah, those codes don't seem reliable enough to base anything on regarding future predictions for the 800M series with regard to whether they are Kepler or Maxwell - that's my take on it anyway.

 

Yeah its chaotic

 

... and really isnt worth speculating.

 

There, I fixed that for you.

Kepler speculation thread was 115 pages. This thread is only at page 17.
Speculation is a lot of fun for many people so

 

More like:

"Brace yourself"

"800M Series are comming"

 

If the GTX 800 series is released on time as promised how long do you think it will take for it to reach the laptops or to be available on amazon in these new models from MSI/Alienware/ASUS? and for the sake of speculation how much performance gain would the GTX 870 have over the 770?
<30% or >30%?

 

from what was published earlier at notebookcheck database it should be pure rebrand with 0% improvement. May be slight clocks bump and twice the useless memory. Sad...

 

What happend during 2012 was CES in January with notebooks with Fermi rebrands. Then March and Cebit came and Kepler was finally revealed.
All of this might happen again this year just so people isn`t 100% that these will be Maxwell.
If they are Maxwell, I`m sure OEMs will be out with them pretty fast.

And in my humble opinion, Maxwell in 28nm, I suppose 20-40% can happen. I have no idea what new it brings to the table.

They are not the only one.
Techpowerup says the same.


But just like us, they don`t know. Techpowerup have changed their specs a thousand times on unreleased GPUs and they like Notebookcheck follow the rumours and throw their opinions in their mix to write these specs. So I wouldn`t take it as definitive proof

But yeah, sad if true. Some cards might go through a third rebrand if they do that. Like GT 650M = GT 750M = GT 850M. lol

AMD might release their Crystal Series 7970M replacement before Nvidia is out with Maxwell. Or both at roughly the same time, and thats why we see Maxwell already in February where they were forced to do Maxwell in 28nm to counter AMDs new architecture.

Lots of possibilities here

 

I guess we won't know until nvidia says, the only truth..

 

Nvidia marketing department would unlikely say Twice the Vram for gaming domination would they? because they usually say up to ..% higher than the past generation..Anyway I still believe they will call it maxwell just to prevent getting their image tainted as tthe third re-brander of the year

 

They better not call it Maxwell unless it's actually a new architecture.

 

But they will, lol.

 

They never called the 6xxm Fermi rebrands Kepler. The next gen rebrands will probably just be called the 800 series with no mention of the architecture.

 

It would be nice if AMD would give us anything that is quicker ~ 15% than 7970M on stock, and we are talking about increasing number of shaders or ROPs, not only clock bumping like they did to 8970m

7970M is already far behind 780M in performance, and 880M will destroy it completely.

A simple shader or ROP bump would increase performance very nicely.

Anybody who will tell me that tis will increase TDP beyond 100W.....My R2 heatsink was "not designed" to handle 100W Card....but i can overclock 79701m and even overvolt it, and even then my temp would not exceed 83'C....so they can push TDP to even beyond 120W...easy...

 

I kind of agree with you about TDP 120W and heatsinks being able to handle it, but I think it will only handle it if everything to do with the heatsink padding/pasting/mounting has all been installed optimally. I figure they have to leave a bit in reserve for the margin of error associated with factory installations. There are quite a few people with really high temperatures on 780M even on A17 Alienware, and this is because they don't always get it spot on from the factory. I think if they went the 120W route, then they would have a lot of overheating GPUs unless they tightened up their quality control of the proficiency of the padding/pasting/mounting.

 

There is probably strategy to all of the things that is about to happen.

AMDs new mobile GPUs Crystal Series is coming out in early 2014. I bet the R9 290M is there which is taking over for 8970M. I bet AMD will be the first one out with these new GPUs. AMD is releasing their new Kaveri APUs @ CES in January. We have seen slides saying the APUs can do crossfire with Crystal Series. So this will be a perfect opportunity to present the Crystal Series and the R9 290M along with it.
And I bet R9 290M will be faster than GTX 780M.

That might explain why Nvidia is releasing GTX 880M in February, to counter the R9 290M. Heck, they may even just do a rebrand just for show if the R9 290M is only 10% faster than GTX 780M. "Look at this shiny GTX 880M. It have amazing 8GB GDDR5 and" just to steal some customers away from the Crystal Series from AMD. Many doesn`t know its simply a rebrand of GTX 780M. Maybe slightly higher clocks to even out the 10% 290M is beating the 780M with.
Either that, or they push out Maxwell early in 28nm instead of waiting for 20nm production, to beat AMD`s R9 290M

 

I think the R9 290M should increase the shader count to 1536 at roughly the same TDP as 7970M because of the Crystal Series architecture. Thats why AMD is waiting instead of putting out a 120W TDP that OEMs will refuse to use because it means rebuilding heatsinks and recertifying the chassis all over again for the notebooks that are out now for the increased heat.

 

Guys, if intel released haswell with the same architecture as kepler,why wouldn't nvidia do the same?

 

Wha wha what?

 

Yup...:laugh:

 

Maybe he meant if AMD released the 8970M with the same architechure as the 7970M, then why wouldn't Nvidia do the same? Then again, maybe he meant something else.

 

So confirmed 880m is a 28nm? then when are 20nm parts coming out q4 2014? If that so then 880m might not be a big upgrade from 780m...i doubt if its maxwell maybe a rebranded kepler

 

tick... tock... tick... tock... tick... tock...

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Well well well look what we have here guys:

3DMark Fire Strike featuring 880M in the yet to be released P375SM-A model:
Entry 1 -- 9054 marks
Entry 2 -- 8869 marks

So it appears the 880M will indeed feature 8GB of vRAM, but the core is also clocked 105 MHz higher compared to the 780M (assuming same degree of turbo boost). I'm going to guess this will translate to about 5-10% better performance in games at best. Of course, these are most likely engineering samples, possibly overclocked as well, so how the production version will perform remains to be seen. (also entirely possible this is just a hoax)

For reference on my bone stock 780M SLI with 4900MQ I got 8479 marks on my first run. Taking the higher of the 880M scores, that translates to about +7% synthetic benchmark score with +105 core over the 780M.

(if anyone's curious, with the 4900MQ OC'd to 4.1 GHz and +115 core w/ +320 memory on both 780Ms, I can push the score to 9612 marks)

 

954mhz is 104mhz faster than the turbo speed of the 780m.

 

DOH of course. I knew something seemed off and I even said to myself "that number seems high..."

thanks Meaker, edited original post to reflect that.

 

Doesn't 780M boost as high as 920 MHz?

 

Only if you have svl7's modded vBIOS. Default vBIOS limits boost clock to 849 MHz in Sager/Clevo systems I believe.

 

Got it. I got the 920 MHz number from AnandTech's review of the MSI GT70 Dragon Edition:

 

Noooooooooooooooo :cry:

Well its final then. GTX 880M is a GTX 780M with higher turbo boost and 4GB more VRAM.
Without Unified Memory or more cores or some new tech, that 4GB extra VRAM is useless for Geforce users.
For shame Nvidia, for shame. Didn`t even know it was sane to make a higher clocked 780M considering the below


P177SM with 780M

GT70 with 780M

Anyhow thanks for digging up the benchmarks. +rep

 

Unified Memory is a software feature which makes CUDA development a bit easier for newbies. It has nothing to do with the GPU hardware itself.

 

I found another one.

GTX 880M SLI Cloud Gate: 76534 GPU points
GTX 780M SLI Cloud Gate: 66148 GPU points
+16%

 

105Mhz, Take a look at this link and the GPUz sensor readout during the Heaven Benchmark run showing 849Mhz Turbo.

Review Schenker XMG P703 (Clevo P177SM) Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

That extra Mhz makes all the difference, at least in NVidia's eyes given the nature of the difference between the 780M & the 880M! ;-)

I agree with what people have said here, this 880M seems like an almost meaningless upgrade to the 780M, and the extra 4GB VRAM can only hope to raise the price without any real performance benefit! What a washout!

 

You guys are right, 780M boosts to 850 MHz max. Which still begs the question of why 880M exists, as 780M can just be overclocked and overvolted to that speed fairly easily.