Dota 2 Discussion thread

Hey, no more love for this game? v6.79 in LIVE!!!!!!!!

 

For those that want to spice things up a bit with custom modes, I recommend checking out D2Ware. There are already quite a few game modes available to select from. The settings are pretty versatile and the ease of use is top-notch. You don't have to download anything or modify your game client to use this. What you may find bothersome, however, is the time it takes to start each game. D2Ware still isn't very popular and people leaving or failing to load is an issue.

 

I got a copy of dota 2 but lazy to install it , is it worth it ?

 

Definitely. I recommend playing with friends though.

 

I've played the majority of 975+ games on random, all draft pub games. However, I enjoy hearing people lose their stuff and I don't care about win/loss kill/death stats. I have a separate account for serious play.

 

Is this thread dead?

Someone that wants to play in party? I have 2800 of MMR, but i would like to play in group (Tired of pubs).

My steam id is therosfear

 

I've been wondering the same thing for a while now. Anyways, I just got done playing a ranked match with weaver. Went 39 and 7 and still lost.
Here is a link to my steamid: Steam Community :: TearTaker

I'd like to play with some more people. I kind of have a team of two others right now.

 

6.80 patch should be out, Phoenix and Terroblade are in. So excited for this one, BUT WHERE ARE MY TECHIES??

If anyone wants to support my 1 role...let me know.

 

I main 4s or 5s, so hey, we could work something out.

 

Do you want to do party for ranked?

 

I mean I know 95% of the hero pool, I can play 1-2-3-4-5. I used to mostly play 1-3 role, but then I got literally a 6 month period where I got supports that didn't know how to support (no wards, no courier til like 20 mins in, no SG wards, smoke, dust). Then I almost exclusively played 4/5. I decided to go back to 1 role as I got carries with no farm 30-40 mins in..

 

Sure man. Send me a friend request.

 

The new ability draft is hilarious.

Bristleback with Bristleback, Corrosive Skin, Spell Shield, and Chemical Rage is just stupid.

 

Love ability draft. Had some hilarious combos the other night.

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That is pretty crazy....but you have no dps...though grabbing tank items like Assault Cuirass, Vanguard, Heart of Tarrasque, Shiva's Guard, Pipe of Insight...major tank.

I had like a nuking CM combo, Soul Assumption, Crypt Swarm, Ensnare and Song of the Siren. It was pretty funny to see CM use Song of the Siren.

 

I was just focusing on tank and minor damage, since Chemical Rage would give me some better BAT. Started out with early Orb Of Venom, Phase Boots and Plate Mail. Transitioned into Radiance and eventually Shivas. Got a Skadi right before the end for a pretty inventory. Between Bristle's naturally high intelligence gain, the regen from Chemical Rage, and the fact that I had no actives (Chemical Rage doesn't really count since it refunds the mana cost) I literally only went back to base when I died. I had also considered Pipe, but between my magical resistance (25% natural resistance, 25% from Corrosive Skin, and 50% from Spell Shield) and the Chemical Rage regen, the regen and resistance the Pipe offered me would have been a waste.

Although, I think the more survivable (and annoying) Bristleback build was Shikuchi, Bristleback, Corrosive Skin, and Viper Strike. After I got Scepter it was just silly.

I was watching a few streams/youtube videos that were doing AD, and I've seen sillier. Axe with Dragon Blood, Backtrack, Spell Shield, and Chemical Rage is even more unkillable. And a Mirana with Essence Shift, Overpower, Leap, and Chronosphere did silly damage.

 

Bristle's int gain isn't as stellar as other int heroes, but yeah for a strength hero it's pretty good, but considering he relies on tanking up and dealing lots of damage over time, he needs tanky items and decent mana regen items. Usually I'll build normal Bristle with Vanguard, drums, mek (if no decent supports to farm up a mek), treads, AC/Heart/Pipe, depending on enemy team comp. I don't think magic resistance stacks, I'm unsure of how it would calculate the resistances if you skilled them all..

 

Well, it's AD, so most of the roles and item builds are right out the window. You can have carry CMs and support PAs. (I did a roaming support PA once. It was actually really cool.

As far as I can tell, magic resistance stacks. In the normal game, you can stack AM's Spell Shield with a Hood, for example. In fact, Corrosive Skin is just slightly less magic resistance than a Hood. With 25% natural resistance, 25% from Corrosive Skin, and 50% from Spell Shield, my magic resistance worked out to:

((1-(1-0.25)*(1-0.25)*(1-0.5))*100) = ~72% magic resistance. It was funny to see Finger Of Death do nothing to me.

 

Any thoughts on the new heroes? Terrorblade & Phoenix? Tried out Phoenix the other night and sucked so hard. I got shut down quickly by a couple of opposing hereos who kept throwing silencing spells. Need to work with the rest of the team and that's where I suck. Terrorblade is pretty tho.

 

Silences and reliable disables are direct counters to Phoenix, and heroes with high bursts of attack speed (Windranger, Ursa, Clinkz) can kill you in your ulti. Phoenix is more a counter-initiator than a regular initiator like Tide or Earthshaker.

You let the enemy initiate, then bone their attack speed with the spirits and then use their ulti while your team counterattacks.

 

Phoenix is...really situational IMO. That and the tranquil boots nerf...eh. Phoenix is like a mid/late fight initiator IMO. Terrorblade also situtational. He's pretty easily gankable early game, if you let him farm up, he's alright. IMO he's no better than other carry heroes with a half decent escape (Phantom Lancer has a 4.2 agil gain vs Terrorblade's 3.2 agil gain, Anti-Mage's farming abilities with a early Battlefury, Morphling/Weaver are majorly annoying to kill with Manta/Linkens, RTZ has pioneered high speed Naga, mid Naga with Radiance, manta, boots of travel).

 

Terrorblade has lower BAT, plus the damage from his real ultimate makes his illusions hurt.

I see him more as a midgame carry, like Razor. He'll lose against a 50-minute super farmed Spectre or Anti-Mage, sure, but he comes online earlier than they do.

 

Had a fun game of ability draft, I had Huskar with Shadow Walk, Shuriken Toss, Earth Shock, and Thunder God's wrath. I build an early powertreads, drums, but then realized I might as well go Aghs + Refresher orb...then had to switch to Arcane boots. Farmed up a Eye of Skadi eventually...pretty funny. Our Ursa had a funny draft with Life break, fury swipes, overpower. So he would just huskar ult opponents then destroy them with fury swipes + overpower. No need for blink dagger or lothars. Forgot how much Zeus aghs + refresher hurts, 1200+ global dmg premagic resist.

 

Having a lot of fun with the random ability draft as well. I don't think those games should be recorded in your win/loss columns, but still quite a blast to play.

 

I think it should, ability draft tests your knowledge of all the spells in the pool, and seeing if you can adapt. I think it takes more skill than normal mode IMO, and no 2 games are ever the same. That and ability draft allows you to deny skills from certain heroes, ie no point of picking up Luna's Eclipse if Lucent Beam is already taken, so much harder to land Kunkka's torrent without X.

 

Unless you're a Kunkka who managed to pick up a Blink plus Vacuum. Saw someone do it. So epic.

 

Reminds me of the old school days of Na'Vi, LightofHeaven's Dark Seer vaccum + wall combo into Puppey's Enigma Blackhole.

 

If anyone follows the Chinese Dota scene like me;

DotA 2 News: Zhou retires as a Dota 2 player | GosuGamers

A legend retires, from Dota 1 to Dota 2. What a year of flip flops, iG was so strong pre TI2 leading up to TI2. After winning TI2 and 2013 G-League finals, they had a major slump and going to TI3, and did rather horribly. Got traded to TongFu, didn't end up doing any better. Major changes incoming to the Chinese Dota 2 scene, TongFu going to have a major change with Mu probably going to a new Dream team, and Zhou retiring. Chuan rumored to go back to iG, Banana might quit iG, Faith/Hao rumored to stay with iG.

 

Terrorblade can be very menacing with his illusions and sunder ability. He has always been a very formidable hero in dota. His base attack time is quite low and metamorphosis gives him range and damage which can get you early kills. No escape skills though. A good baby sitter and you should be pushing towers quite early. Phoenix on the other hand is an initiator and can support brilliantly. But yes you cannot rambo with him as mid-late game his ultimate is broken in a few hits. So you need to time it well and catch the opponents off guard or busy with other heroes.

 

I just feel Terrorblade is...situational, or rather a pub hero, like Bloodseeker. And there are those heroes who don't care about/bypass illusions, like Outworld Devourer with his Arcane Orb, annihilates illusions. Also pure damage modifiers that bypass high armor heroes (aka all agility heroes). I'd rather go with my Phantom Lancer which has a 70% win rate. Can't stop the cancer! It's always funny when people let me free farm as PL, I'll easily get a 8 minute drums, treads, soul ring, then go Yasha into Manta, Heart, Diffusal Blade by 30-35 mins. Alot of my newer PL builds don't even get Diffusal Blade, his nuke and pure right click DPS easily kills people. I feel Diffusal Blade just takes too long farm up, Yasha is the most cost effective agility hard carry farming item, into Manta, it can counter silence abilities/dust. That and with drums and manta, you get to tank up vs diffusal blade.

Edit: Also if anyone wants to try out my 91% win rate Tauren Chieftan (Elder Titan) build; with the 603 gold, buy tango, healing salve, soul ring receipe, 3 x branches. Build Soul Ring first and then Power Treads, Drums of Endurance, and go STRAIGHT for Sheepstick. You would be surprised on how fast you get sheep, like typically with my build you get sheep by 20-25 mins. Then I go Shiva's Guard, Assault Cuirass, Halberd/BKB. Obviously you do the 0-4-4-0 build, do NOT level up Echo Stomp if you want to do damage during team fight. Obviously after than max out the Split Earth and Echo Stomp. Obviously you need to have other nukers/DPS heroes along side ET, but he should be the initator/tank with the build I have put down.

 

True that PL is one of the hardest carries in the game but he is very vulnerable early game and absolutely relies on items initially. His spells drain a lot of mana and that is the case practically for any melee agi who will be one of the best hard carries late game. So Terrorblade is more of a mid to late game carry while PL is one of the best late game hard carries. No doubt about it. And yes OD does destroy TB images as they are ewer in number compared to PL but that is the case for all illusion heros like Naga morph etc. But I still think that apart from it TB is a very formidable opponent as his sunder ability practically means he can take on multiple opponent with ease.

 

Well I would say PL somewhat has a comeback mechanic (if the game drags onto 60-80 mins, PL wins unless he can't farm for his life). I feel Terrorblade needs to snowball to do very good, like Razor, Bloodseeker, mid game oriented agility carry heroes. If Terrorblade doesn't snowball into mid/late...I feel he isn't that useful. TBH I didn't play much Terrorblade in Dota 1/2. I don't find PL vulnerable early game, my build addresses his weakness by building early stats items like Powertreads and Drums then Yasha into Manta for early/mid game survivability. Soul ring to sustain mana to spam them out of lane and keep farming. Naga and Morphling tend to build items that can spawn more than 1 illusion (Manta style, and Naga can spawn 5 illusions at once, dunno if Manta Style is a standard item on Terrorblade, and I only play split push styled Morph, Linkens, manta, butterfly, skadi, satanic, BKB/Bots).

I feel in the current 6.80 , Anti-Mage is falling way out of style, he just takes too long to start rolling unless he gets completely fed or absolute free farm. I've only seen like 1 game where Loda got absolutely free farm, he got Midas receipe like ~3-4 mins, finished it by 4, got battlefury treads in like 11. Even my fastest naked bfury only stout shield and gg branches I made like a 9 minute battlefury. And people mistake battlefury as the end, it's only a farming tool....to farm more lol.

 

I accept all the points you said specially about AM and Morph. But regarding PL, he does have dopplewalk early game but it must be admitted that lancer can and will be ganked hard unless you probably baby sit him with a tri lane. He certainly has a invi escape but 1 simple dust ll make him vulnerable. And since he is not one of those heros that tends to get bkb once you figure out the real hero he can be disabled and killed pretty easily. Hence the emphasis that early game his abilities which are very mana intensive (lvl 1 dopple walk compared to lvl 4) make him a bit hard to lane if the opponent is coming hard at you. This is the case for any melee agi. For example take other melee agi like slark, riki, meepo, brood, AM, TB all have trouble in the early laning phase. Of these I would say TB, Brood, slark can possibly manage better because they can fight back pretty well. Slark with leap and stats steal does hurt initially. A few stats steal will hurt a lot early game. Also his leap makes it very hard to move around. Tb with his metamorphosis hurts big time. Only hardcore laners like lina, sven, lion, silk, mirana can make it hard for these heroes. Brood does enjoy her nets but a single ward ll make life hard for her. AM can practically do nothing but sit and farm and probably harass the opponents a bit and keep their mana low tanking some damage. But that is all he can do. In this scenario I felt that TB fared batter. His transition from early to mid game was pretty fast and he manages to farm far better tan other melee agi except probably brood who can do better if not ganked with dust and wards.

As with AM I totally accept your points that he does take way too long to actually become meaningful in ganks. He has no slow so rellies on blink and a few hits. But sadly we only take 1 lvl of blink for safety early on. Also a fury s a damage item but sadly it is primarily a farm item on him. A fury would mean nothing against a set of stunners and nukers who will nuke and disable him out. I have tried various builds for AM and only after getting vanguard, yasha, basher, hyperstone and treads was he the most meaningful. And this against a very strong enemy line up where I could not afford a midas r fury because u simply will not be allowed to free farm. Even then I had to wait out for the nukes to die down and engage. I believe for the fury r midas build to work your team mates should be very co operative in safe guarding you which is very diff to expect in a pub game. Even in that case the opponents can get very aggressive and gank you with smoke. So a lot of things have to fall in place for that to work. My best build for AM without relying on all these factors would be rush vanguard, yasha, hyperstone, javelin, boots, basher, treads. Then the items r a luxury. I try to jump in bet ganks to get a few kills using a few strikes and mana void if not i just stay back pushing and farming with a tp. I go late on boots because the blink to fog and tp works if u can time it well. Boots does not help me much bcoz I dont engage much early game. of course all this can change if your team s very supportive r the opponents r not that interested in ganking.

And my opinion about TB is after playing the hero since my coll days. That is from around 2005. I started playing in my coll and have seen TB nerfed and modified all along. He has had some great changes and then removed because they were too powerful. I still think that the terrorblade now is very powerful and a very strong mid game hero who can be scaled decently to late game based on invent and style of play.

 

I usually do the pro build with PL, obviously maxing Q, 1-2 levels of dopplewalk, max passive and ult when you can. If I see enemy supports/mid off the map, I'll take refuge. Of course that takes map awareness. Dust is unavoidable, but it's funny to see in pub games people don't get dust until it's WAY too late (me having manta, dispels dust or getting diffusal blade, purge off dust). With my soul ring build, the mana cost of dopplewalk isn't a huge deal, and it greatly scales the opposite way, decreasing in mana cost and cooldown with more levels. Slark is another agility hero that can fight early, but IMO pretty situtational. I have a pretty decent win rate with him, but I do a very unusual build. Usually I'll get treads, drums, orchid, BKB, basher/abyssal blade. Orchid is an item I build alot as spamming all of slark's skills requires decent mana pool, drums treads usually isn't enough.

Brood had a pretty imbalanced pathless until they changed that with vision making pathless useless.

Anti-Mage is a pretty bad tri-lane carry. He doesn't have AOE damage or a stun, only single target harass really. I found battlefury really is the only real acceptable build, otherwise you don't get fast enough item progression. I've tried the vanguard into yasha/manta. It's OKAY if you had an absolute horrible laning stage. I do the 1-1-1-1 stats AM build, it's the only real build acceptable. It's always funny to see people maxing mana break, blink, spell shield, when only blink really scales well. I have altered my build slightly for like dark seer lane (I'll get another point into spell shield and mana break) or high magic nuker lane (more points in spell shield). Magina really is a fun hero, especially if they let you farm.

Let's see if TB makes it into the metagame, Speed Gaming or rather Cloud 9, EE-Sama has already used Faceless Void in the 6.80 patch. I just used Faceless Void last night, and boy is it fun. I went for my traditional non-battlefury build, pure attack speed build. Got an early 8:30 hand of midas, powertreads, mask of madness, maelstrom into mjollinar, BKB, butterfly. The 1000 ms and phase inside Chronosphere is literally hilarious to watch.

 

For void attack speed is a must but that is just wayyy too much attack speed with no damage I generally get a midas, mom, treads, crystalis, hyper, buriza, bkb (optional), butter.

 

Depends on who I am facing, I just count on stunlocking people with passive bash. If an enemy hero had evasion, I'd get Monkey King Bar. I've done Dadelus/Crystalis before, not as fun (aka they die too fast, more fun to just stunlock them then they rage even harder). Mjollinar gives you decent dmg but most importantly attack speed, and it's easy to build up. Plus bash for awhile does double damage inside Chronosphere. Sometimes I'll go desolator + dadelus if there is a high priority target you MUST burst down inside Chronosphere but I've had good luck with pure attack speed.

Had 2 good Sven games too, managed to get a very early Midas, powertreads, drums, BKB, Mask of Madness, Crystalis, Assault Cuirass. People forget how much DPS Sven has with MoM crit + God's Strength with an AOE stun. Went 19-3-25 that game. Other Sven game went Assault Cuirass, Boots of Travel, Mask of Madness, BKB, Crystalis, Abyssal Blade. Too much fun.

 

Void cannot buy abyssal blade I believe? Or are you mentioning the old format of dota? Slardar, void, SB and troll cannot buy basher as far as I know.

 

No I was referring stun lock to just his passive bash. It's a 25% chance at maximum level, and with insane attack speed, you'll constantly stun lock your enemies. You can get MKB for mini bash on top of your passive Time Lock.

 

Oops sorry u were referring to the sven's invent and I misinterpreted it. My mistake.

 

I hate ranked matches alone... =(

 

I've had good luck with solo ranked MM the past week...of course last week was pretty horrendous.

 

My solo MMR is actually higher than my party MMR.

the people I party up with are fun to play with, but they're kind of bad.

 

I don't have a party mmr yet. Got a couple games left for that.

 

Hi Guys,

Just got my xps 9530

But getting low on memory while playing Dota 2...any solution or suggestion to overcome this issue..

 

What do you mean low on memory? Dota 2 with my settings (1920x1080) maxed out settings uses like 1 GB system memory. The base XPS 9530 has 8 GB RAM, that's MORE than enough to run Dota 2.

 

thats the thing..is there any setting i need to config because lag while playing dota and the low memory warning appears while playing dota2

 

Perhaps it's referring to video memory? I think your laptop supports switchable graphics. Might want to whitelist Nvidia GPU for games.

 

Anyone else with a 7 series nvidia mobile GPU getting stuttering in dota2? any ideas on how to fix it?

 

I had the same issue on my 290X. Turning off V-sync did wonders, so I'd suggest doing that if you haven't disabled it already.

 

tried that, among a long list of things I tried. it *seems*? to be a network issue but my desktop is fine so I'm thinking maybe the intel drivers are doing some funny business.