Far Cry 6

I was going to jump on this until I saw that it uses 4 layers of DRM: Steam, Uplay, Denuvo and VM Protect.


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What's DRM? And how does that affect anything?

 

Digital Rights Management, ranging from basic steamworks drm to advanced Denuvo DRM which have multiple triggers every second. Denuvo is purported to affect game performance and is especially detrimental to game loading speed. Stacking DRMs increases the impact exponentially, one unholy combo being Denuvo+VM Protect which is why people initially thought Assasins Creed Origins was poorly optimised.



After the removal of DRM you can run Very High settings and get the same framerate as running High settings with DRM.

 

I thought the DRM was removed from Far Cry 5 a year after release.

 

That usually only applies to Denuvo after a game is cracked. Other forms of DRM are still intact.

 

Very interesting trailer.

To me it looks like a Just Cause Game and not a Far Cry game. I hope it has a good campaign and its not repetitive as FC4 and FC5.

 

its going to be one of the first next gen games and appears to be similar to farcry 3 which is a very very good thing

 

Yeah, i might buy it during a sale as i dont like paying full price for AAA games unless they're really good games like RDR2.

 

yeah im guilty of the rdr2 buy also...

but this, this looks freekin fun i sure hope they dont mess it up...imho farcry 3 is the only farcry game worth talking about

 

as for drm Im an old school gamer and back in the day internet wasn't always on or available and drm was a pain and felt like you didnt actually own the game by being tethered to the company..drm was bad.....now fast internet abounds and drm is just the norm..who cares mentality has taken over and we enjoy games tethered or not..I like the fact it makes piracy harder and generally speaking its broke 13 yearolds that care that can no longer pirate games...if you are pro piracy I suggest you don't openly vent about your dislike for drm as it makes you sound and look childish...drm is here to stay accept it for what it is...the sky is blue the ocean is wet we just have to accept reality instead of creating our own and trust me I know all about that having schizophrenia. but even to someone crazy like me views alot of untreated people as being even further out on the tides and ebb of the crazy ocean.

 

Always online DRM is garbage, it means I can’t even play a singleplayer game if my Internet connection goes out or is spotty. Also what happens in the future when the DRM servers get retired, you can’t even play the game you paid for, e.g. GFWL. Anti-consumer BS that doesn’t even reduce piracy, it just reduces performance and hurts legitimate paying customers.

 

I don't condone pirating games, but I still hate always online DRM and avoid it like the plague. From a software engineering perspective, it's completely unnecessary to make the singleplayer mode of a game always online since you don't have to interact with anyone, and the software is running locally on your machine anyway. All this does is give your game an expiration date, which is a big no-no for me since I go back and play my most favorite games over and over again.

Even if global internet was a thing, there are too many potential points of failure with always online DRM that can deny you access to a game you paid for. It's stupid to have, so I will not buy games that contain it. You're essentially renting the game. This is no better than the stupid games as a service model.

Renting games may be good for some people since they only play a game once, but it's not ok for me since I replay my games. The most important takeaway from this is that you shouldn't support any behavior you disagree with. Don't become complacent just because it makes life easier. This applies to all facets of life.

We may just sound like a bunch of idiots ranting about stupid things, but these are legitimate concerns for honest consumers. I wouldn't say venting dislike for DRM is childish since it really does cause honest consumers problems too. Don't accept a reality you don't like. Help it change for the better.

 

Well said! Quoted for emphasis.

 

Yeah DRM/always online really only hurts legit customers. I strongly doubt there is a very large community of pirates that would buy all/most of those games so there's nowhere near as much revenue loss(I agree there is some of course) the various operators of game rental/as a service say there is. I can see the case of strong drm for the time period where the game is actually being supported in a real way, makes sense for delaying piracy, i.e. initial sales and **meaningful**(rare now) DLC(not armor sets/skins etc). DRM and always online forever? Nah. Always online for a SP game is just blatant "you are only renting this game, at ownership pricing, on our terms". Also there are tons of AAA etc games(and console ports) that are full priced years later too so I don't have any sympathy for these big devs and distributors whatsoever. I look at games like nier automata that are/were so broken but once they get your money they give you the figurative finger.

Of course nvidia and other hardware manufs love all this, you need more and more beefy expensive hardware to run it with more drm overhead etc AND from the piracy aspect there's no way to get around needing the hardware either. Throw in "shortages" and they have even more to love.

Anyways I'm FC'd out, I still have FC2/3/primal but it just looks too much like the same stuff with different skins from the yt stuff.

 

its too prvent piracy? yes no

what solution do you propose

 

I'd say just remove all that drm stuff after the first 6 months or whenever the **meaningful** dlc is long past, online always for sp game they should never ever have. Then again the legit players would be hurt right as the game is new so who knows, go the gog route I guess.

 

its just too easy to crack a game without drm

 

Thats not true as piracy is still going strong as ever. Things like DRM makes people turn to pirating so they dont have to be annoyed with it.

 

doesn't bother me!

NVM...

 

also what do you mean piracy is doing good? piratebay seeds are low most torrents are shut down..like its basically dead


source...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/is-internet-piracy-dying-out-1.4178569

Sweden, home of infamous torrenting site The Pirate Bay, online piracy seems to be a thing of the past in a country that was once a hotbed of illegal downloading. Less than five years after its founders were released from prison, the Swedish Prosecutor’s Office reports that a grand total of zero individuals were charged with a file-sharing or streaming-related crime in 2019.

According to BitTorrent news blog TorrentFreak, only 23 offences were even reported during 2019, making it the lowest number since 2010. The blog said: “After reporting what felt like dozens of cases over the years, some involving torrent and streaming site operators, others involved with DCC sharing, the last couple of years felt strangely devoid of criminal prosecutions.”

The reason for this, it posits, could be a focus on ISP blocking by entertainment companies rather than the pursuit of individual cases.

Meanwhile, here in Ireland, discussion of internet piracy has also died down. In 2018, the Motion Picture Association managed to get eight popular torrenting and streaming sites blocked, including Eztv, WatchFree and Putlocker. An indication of their popularity: it was estimated that Irish internet users had accounted for more than six million visits to these sites in one month of 2017 alone.

 

Its still up and running and so as other torrent sites out there, Piracy will always exist.

DRM only annoys and hurts paying customers especially when they want to play SP without an internet connection and or if it goes out suddenly.

 

I'll quote what Gabe Newell said about piracy 10 years ago:

"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

And that is exactly what piracy scene is nowadays. The Movie/series piracy dropped massively with the advent of streaming services like Netflix because its simply easier to pay 10 bucks a month to watch a show than to spend time downloading a torrent, copying it to an external drive, then plugging in the hard drive to your tv to watch it. And the hassle only increases the more shows you want to watch whereas with netflix its only a few button presses away from the comfort of your couch.

If a pirated copy of the game doesn't need to be always online while the original does, the pirated copy is immediately more valuable and there will be demand to pirate it.

 

If it's a good game people will buy it. I.e. The Withcer 3 was available DRM free from day one, still sold well.

 

bows!!

ok i just thought piracy was dead

 

It's a constant battle to keep Netflix running overseas as they quickly block VPNs and there are many areas that have either no data, data that is too slow for streaming, or too expensive for streaming. I'll be in such a place tomorrow and having been there before I can tell you with certainty there will be a lot of people with terabytes of movies on disk because it's the only way.

This isn't to be argumentive; I'm supporting the idea that where you see a lot of people pirating is also where there are few, or no good options.

 

i used to get the 3d imax sbs movies from pirate bay when I was younger I still have them as I have no idea as to how to buy them and convert them to sbs without a blu-ray drive....but I suppose quality on them is bad enough that its not really stealing...terrible quality not like I would purchase them like that even if you could buy them....also NES roms I have a few no idea how to get them legally..once again probably not a big deal but I think talk about piracy is against forum rules and we should probably vere back on topic and or delete our posts

 

Far Cry 6/Initial release date
October 7, 2021

 

Yeah but the only way to truly own movies/tv you watch over and over is physical media(or piracy), netflix removes stuff all the time and of course requires internet connection all the time. Even physical media that's bluray based is a pain that requires an internet connection for decrypt keys in some cases as I found out trying to play some old blurays on my pc. In the end for convenience I got a workaround with VLC and just used the free software to reencode for digital files I can play on any device no internet or hack needed. It's all pretty egregious by these greedy control freak monopolists and their fist clenching clients on the other end of the spider web.

 

well said...

nothing is absolute not even the behavior of light.....i think some forms of piracy is ethically correct

 

One of the things Netflix does have is that the shows that they produce themselves they can make it available worldwide on day 1 without region locks. With the studio licensed stuff they're forced to region lock and fight VPNs because the studio mandates it to have the content on their service. It sucks, but without those deals and legal bounds Netflix would be far less compelling as they wouldn't have the content at all.

 

I know the why of it but when someone is kicking me in the balls I have an interest in seeing that stop; hence the VPN. I'd like to see legislation fixing this as I'm a known US citizen with known devices and there is no good reason they can't work wherever I am, digital content or not. IMO opinion the rights of consumers are not adequately protected nowadays and it's getting worse. I pay for my Netflix service, I expect to be able to use what I pay for and don't care what some corporate scumbag thinks about it. From my point of view when someone takes what I pay for they are stealing from me, not the other way around.

 

It's out of Netflix's control. They could just not carry the content, but then that would be the end of Netflix. There's so many reasons content is region locked. Publishers in different countries needing to have exclusive rights or they go bankrupt and then you'd have a monopolistic one charging more money (see Steam or Apple charging 30%), censorship laws in could have grave legal consequences for fines in certain regions for making that content available.. there's so much nuance. There's a lot of blame to go around, and it's not going to get fixed any time soon.

 

should i go for this

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00117070

 

Oh man those high level laptops are such waste of money to my mind dude, new mid range is the only thing that makes sense price wise or older used upgradable ones, maybe a used 2070s/ 2080 laptop. Although this should be in the what laptop should I buy section, c'mon you NBR veteran!

 

oh I know i respect you guys alot, and sometimes you guys give me a different angle

 

I agree with the spend less sentiment. A 2070/2080 will be great and you'll want to upgrade it in 3 years anyway regardless of which one, might as well spend less.

 

its just I might need a 3070 to run crysis remastered at 144hz or higher...need the powa..but hesitant as I also try to save money and like to put it elsewhere

but by the same token I think a 2060 might even still be overkill...maybe a 1660ti

 

Yeah, again, I know the why's of it and who is too blame. You are right but that doesn't make "it" right: I disagree with with their position and will continue using my personal VPN to get what I paid for without any qualms. By "their" I'm talking about the lot of them, the DMCA, all of it.

For every MP3 I have they're is an album in the closet, I actually pay for the apps on my phone, PC, etc. I'm fully in agreement with people getting paid for their work. I'm not in agreement with corporate scumbags using their political influence to unfairly burden consumers and most particularly take from them the right to do what they will with what they own. I'm old and I'm not going to see it differently just because a nameless scumbag wants more champagne on the corporate transport.

 

I find it very unlikely that you need Crysis Remastered to run at 144 fps, but then who am I to judge what you spend your money on. I could definitely see if you wanted to crank the RT/Visuals to the nines and try to eek out 60 fps. But in non-competitive non-esports SP games I don't think it matters much once you get into 60-90 fps territory. I'm making peace with this 1080p monitor I had to buy since there's no 1440p 21" monitors, and I'm actually warming up to it for gaming. I don't like the shimmering edges but my 2070 pretty much runs everything at 75fps on it (it's 75hz adaptive sync) and it's just fine.

It's complete garbage for productivity though, I hate it. But it's better than nothing. Can't complain for $109.

 

Dell used to make a 24-inch 1440p monitor with G-Sync but that’s probably as close as you’re going to get.


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I thought about it, that's just a tad too large though. Working with a pretty small area unfortunately.

 

With my 2060m I get easily 60+, usually 75 or more on pretty much anything both 1k and 2k dsr. I don't use the pre-made graphics settings in any game though, usually a mix between med/high never ultra. I'm not an rt user mostly, the only games that I've played that even have it is cp77 and control, not worth the hit in comparison to me. I don't usually get 120fps unless I turn down/off a lot or old games/not demanding games. I was getting 90+ with days gone recently and get 80+ yakuza 7 but lock to 60 by me. So I'd say with the right settings you could get 144 on that game with a 2080, idk check notebookcheck tests for that card and the others you mentioned. And make sure you check the new 3 series prices against the used 2 series, sometimes the prices for older stuff is the same or more than new stuff!!

 

How about a 1080p 17-inch portable monitor? I think Asus makes one that’s 240 Hz.


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I definitely would rather 1440p, it's not the refresh that's the problem. I was about to get that Asus 17" portable "gaming" monitor but decided on this one.

 

I suppose it's subjective, but I really don't understand why people think that high framerates don't matter as much for slow paced singleplayer games than for fast paced multiplayer games.

120 or 144 fps looks just as smooth for singpleplayer games as for multiplayer games no matter the pace, so I'd argue it matters equally for both. Again, it's probably subjective, but I can't stand anything below 120 fps. It looks laggy to me. I require all games to run at 120 fps minimum, regardless of genre.

As for resolution, 1080p already looks super crisp and sharp on a 17 inch screen. No need to increase the resolution further to destroy performance.

 

No hold on here a second, the idea that anything could ever be "good enough" undercuts the very foundation of our hobby!

 

I won't say much but do you guys see the graphics....they are some of the highest polygon models ever released....and the fact the map is larger than even farcry 3 gives me hope....I really hope the story is engaging and lasts more than 50 hours if not UBI make it happen

 

I'm imagining like most of the AC games there will be tons of things to collect and "quests" to do. The last FC game I played was FC3, but I do recall like a bunch of radio towers to "reclaim" and assortment of other tasks and things to collect.

 

I actually wish Ubi would reduce map sizes in their games. Bigger map =/= better game. There is a limit to a map size which at some point can become too large and traversing it becomes a chore, so you start to rely on fast travel, which then makes the entire point of bigger map size useless. Unfortunately it seems Ubi doesn't get that...