G-sync coming to notebooks with 75Hz displays?

Do my usual routine - just go ahead and ask everyone (that have it listed) if they have the exact part number, at least two of them would respond positive and you can go with the reputation on either of them. Good luck!

 

Eurocom might have it, and the 50-pin eDP cable as well. HIDevolution I believe also has it.

 

I'm curious if this would work with an external DisplayPort monitor. I mean without the need for a G-sync monitor.

 

Nope. DP 1.2a is the minimum for Adaptive-Sync and Nvidia only supports DP 1.2 right now. That's why the G-Sync module is needed.

 

Thanks. That sucks.

The only think I dislike about TN panels are the viewing angles. Give me one with 70/70/70/70 and I'd be a happy camper. But they're all like 60/60/40/40. It's horrible.

 

It's less of an issue on a small laptop screen compared to a desktop, but desktop TN panels also tend to have better viewing angles to compensate

 

Well it's... a little better than that... XD

 

I love 144hz and I love Gsync, I am going to get used to the TN but I will eventually be getting an IPS with gsync. That 144hz is making using the computer fun again though.

 

Tell me about it. I won't budge from my 1080p 144hz TN panel until 4k 120hz + is a thing.

 

I'll be moving to 120Hz 1440p or 120Hz 1620p in the future *IF* it becomes a thing. I won't be bothering with 4K for quite a while. Like I said: when the single strongest notebook GPU on the planet (assuming still with notebooks) can run every single game at 1080p 120fps at max graphics without issue, I will raise my resolution. Otherwise I rather the high FPS.

 

I've been itching for a nice 27-30" 2560x1440 144Hz external LCD though. My desktop will need some updating though.

 

The limitations of technology can be frustrating sometimes.

 

This is actually a 75Hz display not 60...

 

It actually might be a 60Hz display, and they discovered that it can reliably hit 75Hz, so they set it that way? That Gsync display was selling via Eurocom the whole time, and also the GT72, and I don't remember them having 75Hz 24/7.

 

I feel much the same in that I'd take high FPS over more pixels any day of the week.
If there were a 1440p 144hz 24" I'd be all over that since that's the size limit of my desk.
Since there isn't I'm happy enough trying to chase 144fps at 1080P.

 

They very well may be normal 60hz screens sporting now newer driver tech Paul's Hardware was talking about. Essentially it's able to pixel overclock the monitor actively to work better with gsync. It may not even be 75hz all the time. Speculation.

 

Yeah, it appears that I was correct. Cherry picked 60Hz displays.

 

Missing G-Sync license in BIOS will prevent the driver from enabling g-sync for any but the licensed screen model.
For 17" HTWN is already using the only screen that has been licensed for ZM systems.

If he uses any other screen in this so called g-sync model > g-sync will no longer work
If he puts this g-sync screen into another Notebook model > g-sync will no longer work
If he uses any GPU other than GTX980M, GTX970M or GTX975M > g-sync will no longer work
If he flashes a pre-g-sync BIOS version > g-sync will no longer work

They could enable g-sync for all eDP screens or even all so called 'approved' screen models for all Notebooks (on non Optimus systems) simply on driver level, but that's not how money is made.

That's just done by the BIOS & driver.

 

Right, I investigated some more and realized this was the case, and more or less got the same response from Sager.

I am assuming they've cherry picked or upped the quality control on these specific G-sync screens to affirm they can run at 75Hz without issue. So far it's looking pretty nice. Just trying to figure out how to review, describe and show its importance and how well it improves your gaming experience. I have some ideas going though. Also, I still owe you your response on the P650SE... will get to that later today.

 

I would be lying if I didn't just read
"If I whitelist the LP173WF2-TPB1 in the BIOS in my Prema Mod we could have 120Hz gSync because take that nVidia"

 

Here is my suggestion: " Better gaming experience on the same hardware". With G-Sync you can have practically the same fluid gaming experience at 40+ real fps that otherwise you would get only with 60+ without drops below... with vsync on... without input lag (triple buffering)... with equally low frame output time in ms (not AMD).

So if you can play at ~60 you can increase quality of the game and play it at 40-50 with barely visible difference.

Attention! Although with time you may start notice a difference between gsynced 40 fps and 60 fps because eyes and brain get used/adapt to react faster with opened opportunities. But that will take much time (depends).
So yeah, I definitely can tell you the biggest, huge withdraw/disadvantage of G-sync. "After you get used to it, you won't be able to play without it (below 60 fps at normal monitor)". The stuttering will start killing you because you already got used to lack of it. Similar effect you get after major PC upgrade when you started playing games at twice bigger frame rate than you played before. After some time you just can't play at that lower frame rate you used to play, hence why "minimal gameplay" grew up from 24 fps back in 2003 to a 30 fps few years later and 60 fps now. Once you upgrade, you will have to get used to play with bigger stutters again which you obviously don't want to.
You may quote me

 

Meh. I don't know. I used to be fickle, now I don't care any more. I'm just happy to get the time to game.

 

Really @James D? I'm yet to see someone who got killed by the CRT -> LCD transition, and they were nightmare back in the day, we are yet to see comparable to CRT technology.

 

Those CRTs I used to look at school possibly were directly from Chornobyl. Maybe I knew just awful part of them but any mainstream LCD was better for me. However my eyes got pain after looking for over an hour at some cheap LCDs, true. Not sure how refresh stuttering would be similar to... why CRTs are better you say?

 

You obviously haven't seen a good one, it's not like they get the best possible parts and stuff for schools. Same goes to LCDs by the way. A picture worth more than thousand words, how on earth I'm going to explain something that MUST be seen?

 

I don't miss the size, weight, heat, or power consumption of a nice CRT, but I do miss the quality image, viewing angles, and most of all scaling. There was no issue with scaling. Ever. If someone could fix the res scaling issue of LCD's to be non problematic like CRT, they'd make millions. You wanted 1600x1200, bam you got it. Want 640x480, bam you got it. No pixel interpolation or jaggies or anything due to the screen. The screen image was the same quality regardless of resolution. It was just the actual digital resolution that would cause the jaggies, not a matrix of pixels. But if you can stick with native resolution, there are so many advantages of LCD's.

 

Response time, one of the key benefits - it's second to none. Just like LCDs, CRTs varied greatly, but the response time was minimal (almost non existent) on most of them (not to say all). Then with the higher-end came better phosphors - wider gamut (unmatched by LCDs until recently, most animation studios used CRTs well into 2000s till LCDs catch-up); narrower grille - more pixels (higher supported resolutions); higher refresh rates - lower res and even higher refresh rates. For example Sony FW900 (24" CRT, 2001 model, pointed as the pinnacle of CRT technology) has "native" resolution of 1920x1200@90Hz, yet you can get up to 2304x1536@80Hz by default, or 2560x1600@75Hz if you tweak it a bit. The other way worked as well - 1280x800@120Hz. Oh and if it wasn't worth it, explain this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-GDM-FW900-24-TRINITRON-WIDESCREEN-PRO-DISPLAY-/271706446945 Some people pay the price, and take the disadvantages, so to say, but the ultimate advantage is there - the picture, and that's why you buy display in first place, no? BTW that's why my current build is 8740w Anyway, it can be turned into quite the list, but it's a thing of the past, like it or not. The thing is, as I said - you have to see it to believe it. If you haven't seen quality CRT, there's no way to be explained, and again, same goes to LCDs.

Technologies I would really like to see - MEMS display - close to CRTs in most aspects, minus the weight (which is good) and half-pixel drawing/resolution independence (which is not); CNT FED - the successor of CRTs, and I mean quite literary, unlike Plasmas, this one can draw half pixels, the development seems to be at stall though, real shame.

Not to be completely off - That's why you need technology like G-Sync in first place, CRTs just worked

 

I had that same monitor, cost about $600 at the time I believe, probably 10-12 years ago.

And yes, forgot to mention that, lol. Response time was basically a non issue.

 

http://gamenab.net/2015/06/05/last-statement-about-the-nvidia-gsync/

Spoiler: In case he deletes it

Hi,

Since a lot of websites and people contacted me about the G-sync, which was misinformed by different brands including NVIDIA itself, they wanted to hear my story.

Here I will precise a few points.

• NVIDIA/ASUS didn’t know that G-sync could work in a Windowed Mode, I prove them wrong (Article)
• G-sync on Mobile/eDP/DP was always possible without the need of a module
• I’ve been working on a payload and algorithm since a while
• I’ve been working with ASUS in a voluntary way, they stole my work (By the way I never contacted ASUS for anything, they contacted me so I can help them for something else, that’s all)

NVIDIA, ASUS and some sold hardware websites made a story about me, saying that I was from Sweden when I’m not. The other one was saying that I needed help for my laptop (I fix/resolve problems, I don’t need help), and another said that I was an employer from Asus, etc… Many different stories.

I’m actually from France and I’ve been working in the video game and cinema industry for over 15years. I’ve been working under a certain username providing patches and mods to improve the execution of the PC Games… I was doing mapping/modding and texturing. PCPer made the entire story to look good. They are arrogant and disrespectful. Because everything that doesn’t come from any kind of big company, should not be told to the public and that I should keep my research a secret. So each people made their own story of my life and no one was even close.

The truth is simple. I make a payload/algorithm that I share with different companies. I want to improve the frame timing (variable controlled timing) in a certain way. I know that each panel had this capability anyway. What they needed was a software way to translate the information in a good way that there’s between the GPU and the monitor.

Unfortunately for me, I was too stupid and shared too much information. So I lost my time with this for nothing.

What the people don’t realise today is that:

Companies like NVIDIA, have only one thing in their mind, to sell a license for all and for nothing. They try to steal or buy a maximum patent and make money out of it.

So what did you expect from them? To tell you the G-sync free software way was always possible and to give you that for free? To tell you that it was possible because a person shared a certain research with them?

Everything costs, so why not use this.

No one will know the truth behind this because you will always see the media hiding what they really know, or what story they make to push you to believe them.

Someone sent me a message recently saying that he laughed a lot about these guys from PCPer saying that the G-Sync Windowed Mode was not possible. I prove them wrong, nobody believed me. NVIDIA announces that a few months later, everybody believes and even them, oh man, this is unbelievable.

So what’s going on today

• G-sync on Mobile (eDP and DP they said) by buying their supposed license for software use ? seriously ?

• G-sync work in a Windowed Mode by using what I was explaining back in February, no seriously ?

• G-sync will work with DSR, SLI, etc… no seriously, what I was explaining ?

I have all the necessary proofs but people will still not believe me because I’m not NVIDIA or ASUS or any of these big companies.

You laugh at me but at least I’m not the one who is ignorant out there. It doesn’t matter who win or lose. In the end you can see that the truth started to be revealed each day by NVIDIA itself, don’t be fooled or blind.

Anyway, I don’t have any ASUS, MSI, Alienware or any related laptop or a Desktop base work.

So in the end, they won, I lost, good for them

Hopefully people who believes in me here, will try to help to let them know that they should at least give their excuses to me and a good thanks will not be too much.

Obviously they found a way to make a lot of money of it, while me, I win nothing. Only shared my experience and knowledge (that was a better way, I could help).

Thanks for your support guys.

TusionOS is cancelled and all of my work is completely over…

 

Exactly, I spoiled myself with 60fps locked gaming, now I can barely stand even 50fps

 

so will a laptop like mine (in my sig) if I put the 120hz edp display in it eventually be g-syncable? if someone writes it into the bios

 

Depends, but it should be possible in theory. Just like why I can't get 3Dvision working with 980Ms. It's because nobody bought 3D notebooks so the license for 980Ms is not available (aka doesn't exist to end users). So if I upgrade, my BIOS lacks the license, and thus 3D will simply never work (internally) because nVidia wants to make money.

 

How does the G-Sync Cookie work? Is it a "per screen model" key (so all laptops with the same screen have the same cookie?) or does the cookie also take into account things like the GPU model?

 

Yes, it's a per-screen whitelist as far as I know (according to prema). I am unsure if it works according to GPU model. If you put the screen in a machine without the license it won't work. Put another screen in the PC that isn't in the license, it won't work.

 

The Aorus X7 Pro-Sync (G-Sync enabled laptop X7v4 or X7v3g, not realy sure which one would be the G-Sync model) has the same screen as the Clevo P770ZM and P750ZM (both of which are getting G-Sync revisions), screen model: LP173WF4-SPD1. The bios files for the X7 Pro-Sync that I posted in my Aorus thread ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/aorus-some-interesting-files.776914/) would therefore also contain the G-Sync cookie that is needed for the Clevo models, so Prema might be interested in checking it out and porting the cookie to Clevo.. I also managed to get the password for the ZIP files containing the bios (not sure if I should post the password or just PM it to people?)

 

PMing it should work.

The P750ZM is getting a 4K screen. The P770ZM is not using the same panel (obviously). Aorus X7 I'd believe uses the same screen as so few eDP panels are available for 17"

 

So P770ZM and Aorus X7 Pro have the same panel, the LP173WF4-SPD1? Can I just add the password to my Aorus thread?

EDIT: PM'd to Prema

 

Are the screens used in MSI GT72 G and Asus G751 also the LP173WF4-SPD1?

What's the 3K screen model used in Aorus X5?

 

I'm not sure what panel the X5 has, but I'm pretty sure the standard MSI G72 and Asus G751 also have the LP173WF4-SPD1 panel (don't know what panels the G-Sync models will have, but will most likely also be the LP173WF4-SPD1)

 

They should be, because I cannot think of any other 1080p, IPS, 17", eDP, constantly-OC'd-to-75Hz notebook panels. I also know for a fact that the ASUS and GT72 models with it use LG panels, and that panel is from LG.

 

Is there a list of the G-Sync models coming out?
Seems like G-Sync is the real deal and I'm so glad it's finally coming out in laptops.

 

so this leaked driver 346.87 has g-sync mobile, if my display is at least 75hz, from all the reading and googling I have read I don't see a reason why it would not work...nvidia is getting really greedy lately that is for sure making sure they get any royalties they can impliment and saying g-sync has to have a module for a display panel to work....which is BS the display panel really only needed to be 75hz (does it have to be edp) and a file in the monitors driver software saying that you are granted access basically to use the g-sync feature its crazy....

 

That driver gave GSync for mobile with that display which is 60Hz.

 

by that display are you referring to the ASUS model? if you are its 75hz from everywhere I have read about it...if you aren't talking asus I am confused :/ lol

 

Really? Then looks like I had wrong understanding all of the time about its default refresh rate. In the video I made I saw overclocked monitor and didn't know which was the stock one.

 

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/g-sync-gets-even-better

 

Now the next thing is, will there be ULMB (ultra low motion blur) implemented as well?

 

Isn't that just having a blank frame every 2nd frame? If so then it should be easy to implement..

Edit: I'm wrong, it involves backlight strobing...

 

Can I know what eDP version does G - Sync for mobile needs, Is it 1.2 / 1.2a (Freesync support started with this iirc) / 1.3 ?? (Any one with knowledge of AW machines please let me know which version does the Haswell version of AW17 use & Ivy M17x R4)
And what version do the P570WM / P377SM-A / P370SM3 and the P7x0ZM machines use...?
Thanks !!

 

yes I am not exactly sure why but it seems like the laptop displays that are going to have g-sync are 75hz default stock (well kinda) not sure if thats a requirement for g-sync to have 75hz or what, but I know my display in my beast (in my sig) can overclock to around 90hz maybe more but I didn't wanna push it, even though i do have the 120hz display and edp cable I am too scared to try and install it and xotic won't install it for me so I dunno what to do except throw it in the parts pile and either save til my warranty is up and I am more comfortable and use to this laptop the attempt to install it or maybe I should just sell the display and cable and be done with it not sure....sry got a lil off topic there but yah I have seen g-sync in person and to me it really did look good but if you have a really good laptop and use v-sync like I do most of the time with my 60hz panel it looks the same as g-sync I dunno if its the sli 980m's or what but it seems if there is enough power g-sync is mute maybe in a year or so g-sync might be more suited me then but really it would be nice to have it now just so if I want to use it I have the option to, but I dunno whats going to happen because of how nvidia is applying the g-sync feature I am sure there would have to be some sort of bio's update saying yes you can use g-sync now...who knows...but all this new stuff is exciting for me, I know there is always new tech coming out but recently I have noticed a lot of good stuff is going to be coming out within the next 6-months to a year...can't wait...

@Ashtrix I am pretty sure you have to have displayport 1.2a ???? from what I have read..