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    GTX 1080 Ti in Laptops?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Zero311, Feb 16, 2017.

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    Interesting but didn't nvidia design reference cards in the past like they do with desktop reference/founder's edition cards
     
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    Possibly for testing purposes but I'm not aware of them selling reference cards to OEM's to put in laptops.
     
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    yeah AIBs sell the cards but typically taking many if not all of the design cues from nVidia's reference design
     
    ChanceJackson, Mar 12, 2017
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    well, 1080ti has noticeably higher tdp than 1080 but it is still better than 1080 sli and for notebook one 1080ti and 4k screen would be a perfect combination. so I think sooner or later msi and clevo will do it.
     
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    without nvidia aggressively binning chips for superior power draw and thermal output? I doubt it
     
    ChanceJackson, Mar 18, 2017
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    Yea i did... and i am pissed.
    This was taking it a bit too far even if it was a joke.
     
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    LOL. Relax. Its just a stupid GPU that would never work properly or to its potential in a laptop.
     
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    That you don't know
     
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    So you are saying you will be fine with a Hard to Cool gimped to all ****s GPU in laptops? For like a marginal 10-15% performance boost and would pay through the nose for it?
    If anyone is expecting a 1080Ti in laptops to be a reality and then expecting it to not be TDP locked and gimped to ****s, and even then it is hard to cool. Then you guys really need to reevaluate your expectations.
    My 1080Ti FE in the desktop easily pulls 300W WITHOUT the power mods. Doing that in a laptop?
     
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    Pascal clocks so much better under 50c too.

    You can never run GP102 at full potential without watercooling. I can significantly reduced power draw and higher clocks under water.
     
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    I think so. Most of my benches were at 2038 though. My card can't sustain anything over 2050. There are people doing 8k+ (graphics) on air.
     
    bloodhawk, Apr 4, 2017
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    Ehe, LN2 hits about 9k. There is so little room on Pascal beyond dropping temperature.

    Power doesnt help much imo.
     
    tgipier, Apr 4, 2017
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    Do you saying me, that one clevo can have an sli of gtx 1080 but not only one 1080ti for thermal problems?

    ??? Seriously?

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    Yes.
     
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    Great argument
     
    artichok, Apr 4, 2017
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    Partly true. I saw a 200 point jump in the graphics score asa i did the shunt mod. But that was only in FS Ultra and TimeSpy. Every other benchmark doesn't benefit at all.
     
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    No argument at all actually. Mainly because you are not even willing to consider/understand practicality.
     
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    How much resistance did you drop? You measured it?
     
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    Yeap reduced it by half. Gave me about 10-15% more TDP headroom. But that was only along 1 resistor. IF i did it to one more resistor it would have doubled it to 30-35%.
     
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    Yeah, it doesnt seem like it help that much. Apparently the only reliable way to get to 2.2ghz is to drop it below 30c.

    Temperature is the new power with this generation. I guess everyone need to get phase change or chilled water by next generation. I know I am gonna go chilled water.
     
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    ON the Ti and XP , yeap. No other way.

    Im going to get a Chiller as well soooooooonnnn. :D
     
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    But what practicality? There is not specific pcb size to hold the GPU, and the heatpipes are responsible for distributing the heat, any msi / clevo / asus that can suports sli can hold a 1080ti.

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    Thermal density. Its easier to take heat out of 2 smaller dies than one big die. Its more area which makes for higher heat transfer rate.
     
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    With this teory, there could also be no desktop versión.

    Have you seen the reference heatsink? It has no more aluminum than a msi gt73

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    Yes infact, I have taken it out..... and yes it does.
    Have nothing with aluminum size either. Its also depended upon the airflow forced through the heatsink fins.
     
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    It is not about just throwing **** tons of aluminium on, how are you going to dissipate all that heat fast enough?
     
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    Ok, and the blower of laptops are worses? With correct nearly of heatsink, density of aluminum, heatpipes and vapor chamber, is perfectly posible, one blower with 2 heatsink, as a msi, can distribute the thermal perfectly, and can send part of heat to the other heatsink shared to the cpu.

    Clevo 870 have 3 blowers and 3 heatsink, when you choose only 1 1080, 2 blowers and 2 heatsink are for GPU, and have better thermals of desktop versión, the heatsink of 1080ti is the same

    Its perfectly possible.

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    Are you still not not grasping the fact that it is easier and faster to dissipate heat from 2 smaller surfaces that 1 larger surface generating almost double the amount of heat? (vs single source
    And how many laptops are out there that will be able to house/power this GPU??
     
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    I repeat, according to your theory could not exist the desktop version either. One only surface, one only heatsink, one only blower, vs the posibility of 2 heatsink and 2 blowers sharing the heatpipes, it is't so dificult to understand.

    The msi gt73vr have the same disipation for one 1080 to two 1070sli, the diference is that 1080 use 2 heatsink and the sli 1070 use one each, in the clevo 870 is the same but changing sli of 1080 for one only 1080ti.

    There is no technical limitation, there is no specific design of mxm module, any manufacturer has free way to do it, and they will do it.

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    Jesus christ man , here take a look at some desktop 1080 Ti thermals using the stock heat sink and pay attention to that fan rpm -

    http://imgur.com/a/EqjZa

    Now run 2 fans at those speeds in a laptop, what people complain about noise left, right and center. oh and the Stock heat sink has FINS/Channel directly connected to the Vapor Chmaber, unlike laptops that utilize heat pipes to move heat around to a different section of the heat sink where it gets dissipated.
    Direct dissipation using fins/channels is way faster than collecting hat, moving it around and then dissipating it. Do this make sense ?
     
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    Tdp 1080 laptop > 150w
    Tdp first 980 laptop > 200w (180 posterior revision)

    In this generation the laptop versión are trimmed, 250w of 1080ti can have reduced to 200-220w, if it could be disipate a 980sli laptops, it Will be possible for a laptop versión of 1080ti, whit the same or tiny diference respect to first mxm module of 980.

    You talk about theories, I about facts of previous GPU with same power consumption.


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    What about Clock speeds? Do you think that a 200W 1080 will perform exactly the same as a 200W 1080 ?
    Which one do you think will generate more heat?

    First get your hands on all 3 GPU being talked about here, run some tests, and then we will talk or theory craft.

    And please read this-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power
     
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    Do you want to bet?

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    How old are you bud?
    Like literally avoiding he point and changing the whole tangent without logic.
     
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    Why do you insinuate that I am immature? I have 28 years old.

    I do not agree with you because the difference between a 1080ti and 980 laptop in consumption is derisory, try it for yourself, and yes, taking into account the peaks.

    What you lose by increasing consumption, by desire for the size of the die (more area), and to be able to use the dissipation destined to 2 gpus, to only one.

    You do not want to believe it? Okay




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    Yes i KNOW it is not possible or WORTH the INVESTMENT / COST BECAUSE - I have laptop with the 200W 980 that has been PUSHED HARD!
    AND a laptop that has 2 x 1080's AND the desktop 1080Ti.
    So please , enough.

    @Mr. Fox @Papusan @D2 Ultima (you pussy :p) chime in for christ sake.

    Btw you have straight away avoided my questions, how many laptops do you think can even house such a GPU, that itself will answer why there wont be a 1080Ti in laptops.
     
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    What is the laptop with the 980?

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    Is the versión of 2 heatsink and 2 blowers for one GPU? The previus versión of actually had 2 blowers for all sistem, the actually, 3.

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    All P870DMx systems with Desktop class GPU's use both the blowers. There is no possible way to cool a 980/1080 using a single blower.
     
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    Ok ok who do I have to correct about what now?
     
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    Desktop cases are not 2" thick though. There's way more room for airflow.

    The argument has been lost. Time to negotiate terms of surrender.
     
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    Well, in the grand scheme of things none of this matters enough to warrant debate because it ain't gonna happen. Apparently, the April Fool's Day prank that @Prema and I pulled sparked some back room discussions. The CEO of Eurocom so happened to be in Taiwan meeting with Clevo at that time. Clevo has already approached the Green Goblin about this and they (NGREEDIA) have made it perfectly clear that this is not going to happen because they will provide zero support for it unless Clevo is going to make a laptop with a chassis base that is like 3.5 inches thick, LOL.

    When I was testing the GTX 980 (180W) SLI in the P870DM-G with @Prema vBIOS and a heavy overclock that was drawing enough watts to make the new Eurocom 780W AC adapter actually break a sweat. And, there was no way to play games or bench it without using AC cooling. Even with AC cooling the 980 SLI was hitting like 75-80°C (over 100°C without AC). Guess how that would work for Pascal... you'd end up with a cripple 1080 Ti that throttled so bad that it would be less powerful than the current 1080 offerings. I have no doubt that a 1080 Ti (just one) would present similar challenges in both power handling and thermal management. You cannot put 10 pounds of sugar in a 5 pound sack. I think we would all like it if this were possible, but it's not realistic to have any hope of it unless Clevo invents some kind of amazing thermal management technology that doesn't exist to my knowledge.
     
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    Watercooling is the only way for GP102 on laptop and desktop.

    Edit: As far as I am concerned, 1080 ti and titan XP should been hybrid cards like the fury x.

    Not putting them underwater is like capping a 980 to 120w. And I am sure @Mr. Fox will have something to say about that.
     
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    You dont want a stock cooled titan XP or 1080 ti. Also TDP doesnt mean it takes the same effort to cool.
     
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