GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

There are 144Hz 1440p Gsync desktop screens already. I can only hope T-T.

As for the demanding, 1080p 8xAA 120FPS will be more demanding than 3K with 4x AA. It takes more to actually increase FPS than it does to bump resolution. 1080p 30 over 720p 30 is mostly incremental, but 720 60 takes more than 1080 30. The same should apply doubly so for 1080 120 vs 1620 60, especially since 1080p would have higher settings.

Of course this depends on the game entirely. Something like CS:GO which gets about 250+ fps at 1080p on a single 780M without even maxing util is gonna do 3k like a walk in the park. Something like Crysis 3 where SMAA 1x at 1080p (all max) gets about 70-90fps in MP at 3k (considering my cards) would get probably 40 or so at 3k res. It's all relative to how much of a burden it is at 1080p.

 

Last time I tried NVidia FXAA it was sh*t, too blurry, maybe I should give it another go - actually I'll try it on Batman Arkham City benchmark now to see if there's a difference.

 

I just ordered the GS70 970m 6gb from HIDevolution since I prefer to game on 17" instead of 15" and the extra few lbs is no biggie.

 

You need to combine it with SSAA. At normal resolution it's still blurry.

 

SSAA is a big performance hit in itself right, or are you talking 1.2x or 1.5x (not sure if you can even do those increments depending on game, but could with Creating Custom Resolution in NV Panel)? Arkham City no FXAA possible through panel, so tried it on Metro Last Light, looked reasonable but bit more blurry (lost 6% framerate). I might try FXAA on Titanfall though, at the moment I'm using 2xMSAA which I'm happy with. Is FXAA less of a hit than 2xMSAA?

 

Not high enough of a resolution. I play Halo PC with 4x OGSSAA (GeDoSaTo Lanczos downsampling from 4K) and FXAA blur is almost non-existent. It looks amazing and plays really well.

I should've noted that my advice only applies to old and non-demanding games that you can supersample to really high levels.

 

I can get my hands on it only with 3 GB VRAM @RMXO
But how is the cooling compares to the MSI GS70 and what about the battery life?

 

Yeah, I would have to pay for postage (which is fair enough in my opinion). I've sent them an email asking if I can cancel the preorder (before the item is dispatched) without being charged

If you keep going on like that you may well steer me over towards the dark side... I thought I'd already made my mind up on this... I thought I'd already settled on 1080p... ohhh, why must my opinions be so easily swayed?!

In regards to the GS70/GS60, it's because they don't offer a 980M, only the 970M. I simply must have a 980M for this upgrade to be justified over my current 780M

Sure;

- MSI GT72/ASUS G751 - the logos on the lid and general design aesthetics, while looking good in my opinion, still scream 'I am a gaming laptop!'. Also, relatively bulky and heavy like my current Clevo, which I have found an inconvenience to travel with due to it's size not allowing it to fit inside my suitcase very easily.
- MSI GS60/MSI GS70 - only has 970M, I'd like 980M as a minimum to justify the upgrade over my current 780M.
- Clevo models - I like my Clevo but am looking for something with a bit more premium feel and a slimmer, lighter chassis this time around. Plus, I have no idea how long resellers in the UK will take to stock the new models.
- Alienware models - like the GT72 and G751, these scream 'I am gaming laptop!' from their designs and are similarly bulky/heavy. Also quite costly.

So why the Gigabyte P35X v3? Well, its design doesn't look too obviously gamer-focused and yet it still looks more premium than my Clevo, in my opinion. It is also more easily portable than the bigger, heavier, more traditional gaming notebooks available at the moment. Finally, it's the only slim gaming notebook available to house a 980M, all the others 'only' fit a 970M (which is nice, but like I said earlier, I need a 980M to justify the upgrade over my current 780M)

 

If I see MSAA in a game I use 16xQ CSAA on it or I go broke XD.

I wonder how high we'll be able to use MFAA with Maxwell? I really wanna test the SLI benefits and new NCP with those cards. Who wants to be a guinea pig for me? You need two 970Ms or 980Ms and to try and report a lot of details for me =D.

 

Yeah they do look kinda big...however, so far it's the only slim laptop with 980m, no?

 

Forget the bezel, have you seen the video review? It sounds like a leaf blower. It is loud.

EDIT: Removed my overly exaggerated description, lol.

 

Can you provide a link?

I have good headphones, probably won't hear a thing.

 

YouTube search, "XoticPC Gigabyte P35 review" or something along those lines.

I thought it was going to fly off the table or burst into flames. It was so hot and loud, lol.

 

This is the P35x v3? I googled my off, but couldn't find anything.

 

It was the GIGABYTE P34Gv2, my bad. Very similar designs, though.

EDIT: Maxwell runs cooler. So, it may be quieter now.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_TkfCGWf0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD2rnUNdKKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ph-NoBCw8

I'll let you know about battery life as soon as I get mine or find reviews on it. GS70 870m was getting 4-5 hrs so I'm guessing around there or so.

 

Have seen already all of that Videos @RMXO
Why did you consider buying the GS60 instead of the MSI GS70?
I heard the battery on the GS60 would be 2hours 30 minutes

 

I'm pretty set on P150sm-a and was going for 970m initially. But I thought with clevo's cooling and maxwell coolness, I might as well take those advantages and get one with 980m. Can't beat that price and it's mostly gonna be on my desk anyway.

I hope someone would post a quick review regarding expected temp for 980M in this laptop. It seems like the cooling prowess is comparable to gt72. I compared the temps in HTWingnut's review and Striker's gt72 review.
They both ran 3DMark11 with 880M inside (P150SM-A 83C Max, GT72 80C Max). Is it safe to assume P150SM-A temp will be similar to GT72?

 

I got a message from XoticPC and they said the Sager laptops will have both connectors.

 

Holy moly. Talk about trashing the GTX 880M

Pclab, a polish reviewer site, have pitted the GTX 970M and GTX 980M against GTX 880M. As well as against desktop graphic cards (look at the previous pages)

GeForce GTX 970M i GTX 980M kontra starsze karty mobilne :: PCLab.pl

 

Hey Cloud, tests are done for the 970M with GS series which throttles like hell, unlike the GT in which the 880M is running, but even with that, the 970M beats the 880M in most cases..
Shut up and take my money maxwell 20nm !!
edited

 

GTX 970M was GS60 yes, you are right
Don't wait for 20nm Maxwell. Ain't happening

 

Looks like the differences between the 980M vs 970M are much higher than the differences between 980 vs 970.

 

It should be the same lol.
2048 cores vs 1664 (20%)
1536 cores vs 1280 (20%)

ssasuke is probably right, GS60 had trouble letting the 970M spread its wings due to bad cooling system while GTX 980M ran perfectly in the superior GT72

 

I meant performance wise.
Look here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/25.html

 

The 970m looses out on ROPs and memory bandwidth too though.

 

Don't forget that on Maxwell, disabling shaders hurts fillrate even with ROP's intact as Marksman30k pointed out earlier.

 

Thanks, makes sense

I'm somehow tempted by Gigabyte P35X v3 but I have a suspicion it may turn out to be a furnace (basically the same chassis and TDP as P35W v2, which was hot and noisy). Well, we will see when reviews will start to come in, one can always dream .

Myself I already came to terms with getting just GTX 970M so there are more options there.

BTW not sure if you were considering but those new thin Clevo P650 / P651 models also kinda meet your criteria. They are quite pretty, light, more premium looking chassis materials, will have GTX 980M. Though likely they will be too hot.

GTX 980M version available in UK late November:

XMG P505 15.6" Pro Gaming Notebook

 

same thinking as me; need it to fit in my carry bag (work bag)... im upgrading from a 12" hp tm2t (2010-2011)... so a bit of an upgrade from my i5 with crappy amd dedicated card LOL

 

Thats great news!

 

Ah ok on the videos. In the beginning, I was going to go with the GS60 due to the size and weight and I love the fact its light as my work MacBookPro but after some research and video watching, I didn't like how its a pain to add/remove the SSD mSata's. Due to this I started to lean towards the Auros X7 Pro, GS70 and Gigabyte P35w/x. After a bunch of number crunching, a little research on each model, I decided to go with the GS70 since I wanted to game on a light weight 17" over a 15", easy access to adding/removing the SSD (Gigabyte is the easiest though) and being able to get it faster than all other models. Ok, being able to get the laptop faster than all other models had a lot to do with my decision besides waiting to game on a light weight 17" machine.

I use to game on a 17" back in the day and the 2 extra inches do help out compared to a 15" and I never plan to hook it up to a bigger LCD so it made the decision even easier besides all the other reasons why I chose the 17" over a 15".

 

Those are great results.

 

Do you know something we don´t?

 

Wow, 148fps in BF4 @1080p and 130fps in Crysis 3?

 

you forgot clock speeds though, and ROPs, Bus width, and vRAM.

980m = 1536 @ 1038 mhz = 1594 (1526 x 1.038)
970m = 1280 @ 954 mhz = 1221
980m = 30.5% increase over 970m (also 33% wider bus, 33% more ROPs, 33% more vRAM)

980 = 2048 @ 1126 = 2306
970 = 1664 @ 1050 = 1748
980 = 32% increase over 970 (equal bus, equal ROPs, equal vRAM)
However most 970 cards you can buy are factory overclocked
Asus Strix = 1114 mhz, Gigabyte = 1178 mhz, MSI = 1114 mhz
so only a 24% increase over the Asus or MSI or 18% over the gigabyte 970.

 

I just purchased the GT60-1065.

If any heat issues i'm returning.

 

Its not max settings. If you look at the first page Crysis 3, max is getting ~33fps while BF4 max is getting ~68fps. Not sure what settings they are playing to get 130fps but that sounds great regardless.

 

Yeah definitely NOT maxed out I guarantee that. Even with heavily overclocked desktop 970 SLI + 4930K @ 4.5GHz I can barely push 100 frames in Crysis 3 on Ultra with 2x MSAA.

If you scroll down to the bottom you'll see that at Ultra settings and 16x AF, frames drop to 33.7 FPS or 51 FPS depending on the level in Crysis 3. That >100 FPS is likely on medium settings with no AF or AA whatsoever.

 

Yeah I don't read Polish, but they have separate listing for max settings. Personally I have no interest in running games with MSAA, lots of other options that don't reduce framerate so much.

 

I don't think their "max" settings even used any AA though, it simply says "1920x1080, Ultra, AF 16x". Probably means the charts where they show >100 FPS weren't even on Ultra.

 

I haven't ever seen that much impact on frame rate from 16xAF. I would imagine the default "Ultra" setting for those games must include some MSAA, no?

 

Can't speak for other games but for Crysis 3 sadly no, AA is its own setting. Though to be fair 2x MSAA really is more than plenty for a game like Crysis 3.

 

Their Far Cry 3 benchmarks with the 980M proves that their FPS is *DEFINITELY* not on max settings... because if it is, then 1 x 980M is stronger than 2 x 780Ms to an order of magnitude so large that it gets better average FPS at 2560 x 1600 than I can get at 1920 x 1080.

Which is a lie

 

SMAA T2x is even better, and runs much faster. I really wish more games have the plethora of AA options and tweakability that Crysis 3 has.

 

He can't use SMAA T2x in Crysis 3. Crysis 3 has the SMAA implementation that can't use temporal anti aliasing with multiple GPUs, so the highest SMAA he gets is SMAA M2GPU (which sucks; it's a 15-20 fps performance hit for me for a TINY visual change, and no temporal filter).

I do agree though, the plethora of AA options in Crysis 3 is amazing and I wish more games had it. SMAA I think has been updated to use T2x & 4x with multiple GPUs since then, but I can't be sure... if it hasn't, it needs to, because TXAA (while crap) is capable of doing temporal filters in SLI.

 

Oh right, that's true. I didn't play it on my laptop so I forgot about the temporal AA and multi-GPU incompatibility.

 

It's actually significantly less ROPs output comparing the 970M to the 980M (i.e. likely at least a 50% gap if not more at the same clockspeed) due to the missing shaders.

 

Hi guys and gals; brief question. Am I correct when I say that the 970m runs just as hot in the MSI GS60 (or to the point of severely throttling) as the 870m? I ask because I am looking for a portable mobile gaming solution and the P35g V3 and MSI GS60 fit the bill.

 

970M may throttle. Not as bad as 870M would. CPU would throttle a LOT more.

 

how much of an upgrade will it be from this:

Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit)
Intel Core i5-330UM + 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5450 switchable graphics
12.1″ WXGA High-Definition HP LED BrightView Widescreen (1280×800) with Integrated Touch-screen
3GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Webcam + Fingerprint Reader with HP Imprint Finish (Reaction)
Wireless-N Card with Bluetooth
LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
6-Cell Lithium Ion Battery
5-in-1 digital media reader
Dimensions: 8.82″ x 12.05″ x 1.23″/ 1.52″ (with 4-cell battery)
Weight: 4.65 lbs (varies by configuration)
Price as configured: $879.99

^ cant run D3 on lowest settings :'(


to a 980m machine?


can't wait for some aussie stock