GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

According to the limited feedback from nbr users, one that has briefly commented, the 970m is much better.

And he has both right now, 870 & 970, for reference. See msi forum.

 

Not even comparable -_-

 

haha been overdue for an upgrade for a while now

 

I am not certain but I think that is a little slower than my present one, and I assume you mean 980 m.

I am expecting at least a twenty fold increase in power if I got to a 980m, but as HopelesslyFaithful said its really not comparable, even beyond just FPS you also gain access to newer forms of DirectX, and other technology improvements.
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On the question about the GS60, and you can apply this to pretty much every ultra thin gaming laptop. It is noticeably better, but they still run hot and loud.
If you just plan to use it for games like DotA, Grid, Fifa, etc... then it will be just fine.
If you only plan to play really graphic intensive games like BF4 or Crysis a few hours a month you'll probably be happy with it.

If you are going to be playing graphic intensive games 3+ hours a day near every day, you probably want to look into a larger laptop that has a better cooling system.

If you are going to be playing graphic intensive games 3+ hours a day near every day, AND you need an ultra-portable, you should probably look into a high quality repaste, and undervolt it, or use other methods to improve the cooling.

 

hey!!! It runs windows 8.1....its technologically advanced for its age lol!!

 

I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to invest in a liquid nitrogen cooling pad.

 

all you need is ICD. that lasts my 920QM 6-12month* IIRC of 70 watt TDP running F@H. It works great for heatsinks with gaps like my POS g51j. The mx-4 or tx-4 which ever it was is a piece of junk. Doesn't work worth crap on g51j or m17x R4.

That was 75-95C 24/7. It all depending on ambient temps but ranged from 75-95C

 

These framerates are at low settings for both BF4 and Crysis3. Great results but pointless to run on low with 970/980m cards

 

I can run most games at 1080p, but I'm guessing in BF4 I might barely get 10-15fps on lowest possible settings, so it will be a huge difference for me when I upgrade.

 

You can most certainly forget about low settings if you upgrade to one of these 970/980 equipped machines

 

Hi, i'm just wondering, is there any available info on the release date of the remaining 900M series card, more in particular the 860M?
I've been asking around in Taipei, and the answer i seem to be getting is that Nvidia doesn't have the production capacity to launch the 860M this year and as a result expect the remainders of the series to launch early next year.

Any sources that contradict this? Cause i'm the verge of getting a clevo model laptop with an 860M, but was wondering if it was really worth the purchase if the 960M would possibly be on the horizon. i'm also not very clear on the possibility of having the 860M exchanged with a 960M if it does end up releasing before next year

 

To those of you considering the GS60 but are on the fence:

I own the older, much hotter 870m equipped version, but actually was able to get heat/throttling under control with little effort; I'd be surprised if temperature was a problem in the cooler-running updated model with the 970m. In case you're wondering about build quality, I travel extensively with the GS60 and it's still rock solid with no squeaks. So long you know what bags go through on an airplane, you realize this is a testament to sturdiness. I can also say that the keyboard turned out to be quite durable with no flex or odd key sounds over time, so no external needed for long typing sessions or gaming.

Not all is rosy; I had some intermittent wifi issues that seem to have gone away, just to come back, and have been gone for months yet again. Tough to pinpoint a problem that intermittent. The battery rarely lasts longer than 3-3.5 hours if doing anything other than light business tasks or web browsing.

Just an opinion based on personal ownership in a thread where some are quick to make statements based strictly on reviews. I believe it's the nuances such as a good keyboard, or a satisfyingly sturdy feel without compromising in weight that separate the good from the mediocre laptops in this ultra-competitive, same-speced market; this laptop does really well in this respect and I don't regret my purchase. Hopefully this helps someone make that all-important decision.

 

i wonder if 980m will be able to run bf4 at 3k with all aa turned off...

 

Well you will be able to play it at 3k for certain, the only question is what FPS you are comfortable with, and what settings you use. We have relatively few 980m benchmarks so far so wait a few days to be more certain, but it is likely on ultra settings with no AA you would get an average of 40-45 FPS. Of course thats only average and you would have spikes of below 30 FPS. On the other hand most people want over 60 FPS on a game like BF4 and that won't happen with a 980m.

970m SLI will probably be around 60 FPS average on those settings.

 

can you just turn the 3k monitor down to 1920x1080 and not have any issues? the p35x in aus only has teh 3k edition

 

Laptops with Maxwell 860M are board soldered so they are not upgradable.

I wouldn't buy anything less than 970M right now. Definitely worth the extra 200 or so over an 860M machine that can't be upgraded or an 860M Kepler machine that may be upgradeable.

 

For 980M performance just check out the reviews on desktop 970 to get a rough idea. I'd recommend either the Asus Strix 970 or any of the EVGA cards, as these have the lowest factory overclocks so they won't skew the results as much. If the Fire Strike and 3DMark11 scores are anything to go by it appears the 980M is roughly 10-15% slower than a desktop 970.

 

I would like to pose a few questions to you.

1 - If you could list the average temperature of your area of use of the laptop, as well as what your tweaks for temperature fixing were, that would be great. What works in your situation may not work in say... mine, for example.

2 - What games and workloads were you putting this machine through? I run BF4 with a maximum FPS of 125, but if you ran it vsynced to 60, it may be FAR less of a workload on your CPU than I get, for example. So I'd like to know this too.

3 - What were the rest of the specs of your machine by chance?

This will be good information to anyone who is planning to get a GS series machine. I'd like to see if it really is something easy enough to fix for a regular user, so that I could probably recommend this to others in that case.

 

i am interested in its ability to overclock to be honest for both models

 

On average, 980M is:

35% faster than 880M

70% faster than 870M

110% faster than 860M

19% slower than 970

AnandTech | MSI GT72 Dominator Pro: Performance Preview

 

How much % faster Than the 970m?

 

Pretty much every single MSI and Gigabyte 970 I've seen thus far could be clocked past 1500 core and 7700 mem, and my own Gigabyte 970s could do 1536 core 7800 mem in SLI just to give you an idea.

 

Hmm wonder if that was a reference 970 desktop, or a 970 you can actually buy was used? (all non-reference 970 GPUs are factory over-clocked right)

 

Actually there's no reference 970 this time around, since nVidia never specified a reference board, so *ALL* 970s are non-reference.

 

Good ol' Linus!

 

that's quite unfortunate. Clevo's reseller in Taipei confirmed that they are indeed soldered, but he offered me to talk to the tech crew and see if they couldn't provide me the 860M clevo model with the HX 550 interface (which is equipped with a 970M) so i can buy the 860M model but have it with a 970M instead.

 

I'm pretty sure AnandTech used the same EVGA GTX 970 FTW that they reviewed, which ran at 1216/1367 MHz core and 7 GHz memory. Nvidia's reference 970 spec is 1050/1178 MHz core and 7 GHz memory even though there isn't actually a reference design card available to buy, unlike for the 980, as n=1 pointed out.

 

The only thing that irked me about that video was the fact that the 680M and 780M were far closer to the chips they were based off of (670 and 680 respectively) than these current ones are, but he claimed there was an entire generation gap back in 700M series. I don't know what laptops he was using bruh.

 

So it may not be worth upgrading the clevo 970 sli to 980 sli for 500 then

 

I think I'll just buy a 980m SLI from AVADirect because they're the only ones who offered to install a 120hz as a special request. They said it would just reduce the warranty of the screen itself from 1 year to 90 days, which is good enough for me.:thumbsup:

 

I thought Linus's video here was so good, I've linked it in the first post for all to enjoy, before it disappears in pages of yore!

 

Bro, Linus was talking about the 7000 series mobile GPU's ( GeForce Go 7 Series) from almost a decade ago, not the 700M.

Also, as much as these new GPU's are somewhat disappointing given that Nvidia is deliberately withholding performance in order to milk GM204, he is indeed correct in that 680M vs. 680 and esp. 780M vs. 780 had larger gaps.

 

OH. He checked out 880M and made a video of that versus the GTX 770 though... and did mention how the 880M was based off the 770. I don't now why he had to say it's so close together right now. He DID mention that now was the first time, but I do remember his video from a couple months ago. Who knows.

Also, I suppose going off naming schemes alone they do. The 980M is worlds apart from a 980 desktop chip though. In core count alone it's +25% power, far less the extra default core clock speed + extra 500MHz (2000MHz effective) memory speed. Oh well. I just want 980MX chips with full cores please XD.

Not like I can purchase them. I just do. On principle.

 

Linus didn't compare what chips they were based off of though, he only compared mobile cards with desktop cards of the same name (without the "M").

 

so your telling me you got a 40-50% core boost on the 980m?

 

Desktop 970 dude, and more like +13% core since stock boost is 1354 MHz and OC boost is 1536 MHz. It doesn't sound impressive because the cards appear to be volt limited on stock BIOS and won't go above 1.25V.

Even at the OC I mentioned and with +50 mV I still just barely hit 85% TDP while running Unigine Heaven, so there's a lot more potential to be tapped.

 

I don't see anyone thinking that an iPad Mini is exactly as powerful as an iPad Air - or that the iPhone 5C was as powerful as the iPhone 5S.

But with GTX series, the layman expects the 980M to perform the exact same as a 980 - the 'M' be damned!

Double standards.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Blame nVidia's marketing department.

 

plenty of people drop the m in the middle of conversations out of laziness with these stupid naming schemes hence why i asked for clarification. I also asked about the laptop cards not the desktop cards so if you change the subject matter you should state that.

But anyways some people have gotten their hands on these 980m and 970m right? No one OC yet? I remember the techpowerup review(980 desktop) didn't get amazing OC but again those are desktop cards not laptop ones. I don't know how that equates to laptop ones. I know the 7970m was based off the 7870 but it had a hell of a time getting close to the desktop card freqs.

 

Poor analogy, dude. Retina iPad Mini has same A7 SoC as iPad Air. iPhone 5C and 5S have a generational difference in silicon.

Not saying that 980M should match 980 (although there's no reason it can't be a full GM204), but it should at least be 1664 cores like 970. Nvidia is milking.

 

The person who buys a laptop with flagship GPU either knows exactly what they want or is being foolish with their money. I don't think the average laptop consumer is likely to accidentally end up buying one of these because the graphics card number sounds impressive.

There are so many tens of millions more iPhones and iPads sold every quarter, often to people who are not knowledgeable or don't even care about the hardware specs.

 

You'd be surprised how many people have more money than brains...

 

gaming laptops have a good solid room for a 150w TDP GPU but they refuse to launch one, which is sad. My 7970m with a small OC and OV never gets the fan full speed unless the vent is blocked -_- As soon as it hits full speed temps tank.

 

Sad indeed. That's why my next PC is a desktop.

 

Om willing to bet that it will increase to 40-60% above GTX 880M when we see the review from Notebookcheck

 

Why, because NotebookCheck's 880M numbers are when throttled? :laugh:

 

Well, the more of these that sell, if it becomes even the slightest bit less of the minuscule niche market it currently is, that's a good thing. With greater volume, retail pricing for gaming laptops improves and manufacturers put more resources toward these product lines.

 

"Minuscule niche market" my behind. You should check the year-over-year growth in gaming notebooks. Nvidia is banking on this. Behind Tesla and Quadro, mobile GPU's are their highest margins. And last I checked, they aren't getting any cheaper. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

highest margin because a 300 dollar GPU goes for 800 -_-

 

Almost as bad as Intel's $340 unlocked CPU that goes for $1100 when inside a laptop. -_-