GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

Nope, some ROP's are idle because of the disabled SMM's and this reduces their max fillrate. Hurts ROP performance on the mobile cards more because they have more disabled shaders compared to their desktop brethren.

Here's another reason the GeForce GTX 970 is slower than the GTX 980 - The Tech Report

^Compared to reference 980, the ASUS 970 Strix has 25% less peak fillrate despite same 64 ROP's and ROP clock advantage. This is due to having 19% fewer SM's. A decided architectural difference from, say, GCN, where ROP performance is actually limited by the number of ROP's and their clock speed instead of by the number of CU's.

And lack of memory bandwidth starves ROP performance even more, esp. on 970M with its narrower bus. I expect the mobile cards to have a much harder time scaling up to 3K and DSR than desktop cards.

Also, look at this graph from Linus' video:



970M ties 880M and is 37% behind desktop 970.

There is no Ultrabook with a 980M in it. And I don't see 980M being a nearly 100% improvement over 880M. Fermi to Kepler was a simultaneous die shrink and arch change, Maxwell is just an arch change on the same 28nm process as before.

 

I am really considering to buy a p35x, but I'm worried about the temps! Initially I was considering to buy the GT72, but it is a little bulky so now I think I'm gonna buy the p35. Do you guys saw a review of the p35x v3? I looks pretty awesome

 

an impressive arch change though. I find it hard to believe.

 

I think this GIGABYTE P35x v3 fits the standards of an Ultrabook Intel set out like 3 years ago. Has 980m in it!

 

New thin shell from UK retailer

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defiance-15/

 

Except ultrabook is a specification PRIMARILY based on the requirement of a ULV Intel CPU. Since no gaming laptop is stupid enough to use one, there are no GAMING ultrabooks.

That said:
Thickness: Yes : 21mm requires <23mm
Battery Life: Yes : 410 mins requires 360 mins
Storage: Yes : uses SSD
Touchscreen: NO

I think the only gaming laptop to meet every requirement except the ULV CPU was the Razer Blade 14.

 

No, not by Intel's standards.

 

I hate to go OT like this but you're being ridiculous here. First of all nice job quoting the one post where I didn't say desktop, and second thanks for quoting it out of context. Just 5 posts up I clearly mentioned compare a 980M to a desktop 970 if you want a rough ballpark idea, then you quoted that post of mine which CLEARLY STATED desktop, so in response to your quote I didn't bother putting desktop because if you'd actually read what you quoted it'd be pretty obvious I was talking about desktop cards.

(sorry, I just get very defensive when people accuse me of doing something I didn't)

 

Is this right: Maxwell Goes Mobile: First GeForce GTX 970M Benchmarks
Battlefield 4 maxed, 5760x1080 @ 42FPS with 970M SLI?

 

Me too mate, me too. I have confirmed that I can cancel preorders with my local retailer before dispatch day and be fully refunded no questions asked (in the event that reviews show it literally is a thermonuclear reactor), so that takes the 'heat' off my predicament (pun most definitely intended!)

I was literally just about to pre-order the Gigabyte, but you've just thrown a spanner in the works (in a good way)! Ohhh... but 10th November? I could have my hands on the Gigabyte by the 31st October! Ahhh... welp, time to get comparing and see what advantages and disadvantages the Clevo and Gigabyte provide.

I know I said I wouldn't go with Clevo again, but that chassis actually looks slim and decent so I may well be tempted. We'll see... we'll see... (don't be surprised if I start a thread in the What Notebook Should I Buy? section to get some advice)

EDIT: HOLY MACKEREL THAT LITTLE BEASTIE HAS 4K!!!

Isn't 4K the one that scales 'perfectly' down to 1080p?

 

I'm the same as you, was convinced on the GIgabyte but now considering this one. Yeah 4k scales perfectly to 1080p (3840x2160 to 1920x1080)

The only thing is, I can swear I saw this being reviewed a few days ago (link in this thread somewhere) and the 4k panel was really badly reflective.. was it this laptop? Was a german website I think

 

Define "perfectly." If you mean that 1080p on a native 4K screen looks identical to a native 1080p screen, no it doesn't.

However, a thought just occurred to me. What would it look like if you used the nearest neighbor scaling option in GeDoSaTo to upsample a game running at 1080p to fill the screen on a 4K display? Only drawback is that GeDoSaTo only support DX9 games ATM, but that should change.

 

The attractive thing about the Clevo model is that I can preconfigure all the specifications to my heart's content, unlike the Gigabyte (I know Xotic PC can, but they are all the way over in the US, would rather buy from a UK-based retailer). I was planning on upgrading the RAM and SSD storage of the Gigabyte after purchase, getting the Clevo could be more convenient.

However, I worry how the speakers are on the Clevo. I know my current Clevo has poor Onkyo speakers. Also, the Clevo lacks an optical drive, while the Gigabyte has a hot-swappable one.

I think at the end of the day it boils down to: which has better cooling? I know that my current Clevo has poor cooling compared to other 17.3" branded notebooks...

Oh really? Hmmm... maybe I'll have to settle for the 1080p matte option then (if I do get this one and not the P35X v3)...

Darn :/

 

The Defiance starts shipping on the 10th of Nov, but it takes 11-13 business days to assemble the laptop under 'build time' at the bottom. Wonder if they build it before the ship date for people who preorder, so that it actually ships on the 10th... or if it's 10th+11-13 days

 

1. my y50 is about 0.90 inches thick on average, so Idk where your 0.85 in AW come from, but feel free to prove me wrong, I would be very pleased to see an AW that's less 1in thick

2. it makes quite a difference when you are walking uphills everyday for 20 min if you are carrying 2.4kg vs 4.2kg

3. a solder free experience will only matter for people that are changing CPUs, BUT intel doesn't let you change CPU across generations anyways, the only real change you can do is to upgrade from a entry level i7 to MXs, and that depends on MOBO's power supply and current limit and others because mobile motherboards are custom designed.

4. as long as it doesn't throttle, does it matter to you it the chip is running at 80C vs 70C? don't tell me it reduces chip life, let's admit it, CPUs don't break for at least 5 years unless you either run extreme voltages for OC, or you just step on it. I'm pretty sure no one except Mr. Fox here may do either of those two. by the time you need an upgrade you might as well go for a new notebook. likewise for for GPU upgrades, if you have enough money to pay for GPU upgrades every year then chances are you are not gonna care about the price difference

 

Yes that is a 3 monitor at 1080p setup

no thats a Clevo p651 rebrand its about the 5th seen so far.

Yes it has 2x 4k screen options, a 3k screen option, and a 1080p option.

4K only scales perfectly to 1080p on monitors that allow for true pixel doubling, NO laptop displays that I have seen allow for it. It likely will scale fairly well however since the expansion will be even for each pixel, but it still will cause a slight blurriness, many people cannot tell it even exists, others will be bothered by it.

 

guys another interesting find here, so apparently ubisoft blames on microsoft for downgrading their own games?!
Ubisoft Developers give the reason why games are downgraded - Tech News and Reviews - Linus Tech Tips

 

Sorry You misunderstood me. I corrected the last guy. I was comparing the MSI .85 inch thin to the 2 inch Alienware/clevo.

Pretty right. Broadwell will not work with haswell most likely. And I do not know whats the failure temp really. And I am sorry you walk up hills for 20 mins Thats bizarre. But at that point I would buy a car before a really expensive laptop.

All in all I agree with your arguments...

And to Ningyo who answered my question. Thanks. I DID not know what that resolution meant.



Does anyone have good experience with gentech? They are offering reallt low prices and reseller reviews is good.

 

Wow...if that is true, MS sounds incredibly desperate. I think they have still only shipped around 5m units of this lemon at this point? Better pray for phenomenal Xmas.

 

80c vs 70c makes no difference at all, both of those are excellent very cool temperatures. However some laptops are having the CPU commonly reach 95c or even 100c and throttling. The throttling hurts performance, the temperature both makes for added fan noise, and at those temperatures can on rare occasions cause hardware failure.

If your CPU never goes above 90c and your GPU never goes above 85c during a maxed out game of Crysis 3, BF4, or similar and they do not throttle. Then yes you are right it is not an issue.

 

some here say laptops don't support perfect scaling but i dont understand why and i would love to see a very good article on that. I don't get how special hardware is needed to simply apply 1 pixel to 4 -_-

personally if your under 90C your good. If you peak 90C on and off not a huge deal. Just don't chill at 90-100C 24/7.

 

I mean it could be another one of ubisoft's bs excuse but at least this time it sort of makes sense. MS could be just forcing devs to downgrade PC so there's a actually a reason to get consoles at all

 

which laptop has a 4k screen that youre talking about? got confused without specifics. sorry.

 

I was talking about the Clevo p651, however most 15" gaming laptops seem to have a 3k or 4k option anymore.

btw I amnot 100% certain, but it seems the specific displays available for theClevo p651 are
1080p glossy display with AVHA technology (AUO panel - B156HAN)
3K display with matte finish and IPS-Pro technology (Panasonic panel))
4K display with glossy finish and PLS technology (Samsung IPS panel - LTN156FL02-L01) lenovo y50's 48hz RGBW pentile panel...
4K display with wide color gamut and IPS technology (Sharp panel - likely LQ156D1JX02 - 100% NTSC 8 bit IGZO)

 

Holy ?! Assassin's Creed Unity is locked at 30FPS?!!!! I think I might jump off a building now. ucccccccccccc king what?!! . I gotta read more into this.

 

is there an american site for a config like that?

 

Yeah, you could go on allright. Though everyone's entitled to their own opinion, it appears that your logic is flawed. There is no doubt that the Clevo/Sager in question is a good value compared to other laptops mentioned in this thread. But many other machines are much more practical and livable for those who spend a good amount of time on the road. In the abovementioned post, you incorrectly assume that everyone in this thread is looking for a desktop replacement. Because in reality that's what this machine is. The Sager is technically portable - but as in bring it to the lan party portable. Including the a/c adapter it's around 3x the weight and volume of some other 900 series equipped gaming portables. Though technically feasible, carrying that around to and from airports/hotels/meetings on daily basis would get old REAL quick. That is why one gets a laptop, right?

Using this flawed thinking, one can conclude the Sager is a terrible value compared to say, building a micro-atx system that could walk all over it for a fraction of the price AND it's almost as portable. That's like grouping cars and pickup trucks in the same category because both have four wheels, it doesn't necessarily make sense from every perspective.

This thread is about all 900 series related info and by now we all know what systems you like and prefer. I personally appreciate some of the more valid and sensible contributions you've made to this thread as well as its previous iteration, but lighten up a bit with crapping on other laptops, will you?

 

I'm actually thinking of getting a cyberpowerpc battlebox ... Lol maybe with a dell 4K IPS screen

 

Good review of the ASUS G751JY 980m

http://www.digitaltrends.com/laptop-reviews/asus-rog-g751jy-dh71-review/

 

I suppose this rather belongs in the GS60 owners thread as we're sort of venturing off topic here. But in short, I've customized my own vbios / ec firmware, again just search for my posts in the GS60 owners thread. Combined with xtu this made throttling thing of the past and has kept temperatures manageable even under heavy, prolonged gaming. If you'd like to know more specifics I'd be happy to exchange pm's.

 

This is a very tough battle... hmmm... both have major advantages and disadvantages! Very difficult to decide!

Main differences between Gigabyte P35X v3 and Clevo P651:

P35X v3 advantages:

- 21mm thick (P35X v3) vs 29mm thick (P651)***
- 980M 8GB (P35X v3) vs 980M 4GB (P651)
- 2.26Kg (P35X v3) vs 2.5Kg (P651)
- hot swappable optical drive (P35X v3) vs no optical drive (P651)
- 75.81Wh battery (P35X v3) vs 60Wh battery (P651)
- supports up to 5TB storage space (P35X v3) vs supports up to 3TB storage space (P651)
- 170° viewing angles IPS display (P35X v3) vs 140° viewing angles IPS display (P651)
- DDR3L (P35X v3) vs DDR3 (P651)
- subwoofer (P35X v3) vs no subwoofer (P651)
- automatic backlit keyboard (P35X v3) vs non-automatic backlit keyboard (P651)
- fan modes = stealth, boost, auto high, auto low (P35X v3) vs fan modes = boost, auto only (P651)
- Gigabyte Smart Software; e.g. lock Windows key function, LAN Optimizer, LockWin Key function etc. (P35X v3) vs N/A (P651)
- 1 x VGA port (P35X v3) vs no VGA port (P651)
- Dolby® Digital Plus™ Home Theater (P35X v3) vs Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3 (P651)

P651 advantages:

- 21mm thick (P35X v3) vs 29mm thick (P651)***
- 2 x mSATA (P35X v3) vs 1 x M.2 SATA-III + 1x M.2 PCIe Gen2 x2/x4 (P651)
- 2x USB 3.0 ports & 2x USB 2.0 ports (P35X v3) vs 3x USB 3.0 ports + 1x eSATA/USB 3.0 combo port (P651)
- no fingerprint scanner (P35X v3) vs fingerprint scanner (P651)
- integrated touchpad buttons (P35X v3) vs dedicated right/left click touchpad button (P651)
- standard thermal paste (P35X v3) vs Arctic MX-4 (P651)
- maximum 16GB RAM (P35X v3) vs maximum 32GB RAM (P651)
- 1.3 megapixel webcam (P35X v3) vs 2.0 megapixel webcam (P651)
- 1 mini-display port (P35X v3) vs 2 mini-display port (P651)

*** slightly thicker chassis could potentially mean P651 has better thermals (not guaranteed though)

 

A micro atx is nowhere near a sager. Your thinking is flawed. There I said it so I guess it makes it true; no. I said several times buy whatever you want. Its when someone craps on sager I say something. First thing people say is sager is ugly, not sager is heavier. Just say its heavier or you do not like it. You are so wrong to think the sager is in the same category as micro atx desktop. You have to carry around a monito, keyboard etc. I am always going to say something when someone takes a crack at sager. It is typically quality or design objectified, portability being the last.

Its fine I am done

 

But the biggest disadvantage of the Gigabyte IMHO is the keyboard flex. Assuming the Clevo is solid like their other machines unless Gigabyte fixed this (let's hope).

 

Go with the 8GB VRAM option and you won't need to worry about that for years.

 

I don't believe that. If that was the case, Wolfenstein and Titanfall and BF4 and CoD and all these 60fps games with high framerate support on PC would not exist. Especially since Titanfall is Xbox and PC only and Killer Instinct is 60fps. Forza games which are MS only usually do 60fps, except for the open world one.

Whatever the reason, Ubisoft likely wants the consoles to stay relevant. Games that push for it realize they're not relevant and huge graphics differences can happen between consoles and PC, even though the consoles JUST released. It's like I said before; look at the difference between CoD: World at War on PC at max and World at War on PS2 (not PS3, not X360). That kind of graphical difference is what could happen right now. But if it did, everyone'd just buy a PC, and the ones who currently have the new consoles and paid so much for the "new" tech would cause an uproar. And we all know consoles sell the most copies, and take the least work to make games for, so... shaft a platform or two and keep sales high. It's simple.

I'm not saying every bad port is maliciousness, but I GUARANTEE YOU that they don't sit down and go "hey I wanna make a game. Let me target 30fps and tie physics and AI calculations to a 30 frame per second update rate, so that people shouldn't get above 30fps. And if you do, well... glitch through the wall! Break quests! Shorten certain actions because they play out faster (try the roll distance in Dark Souls 1 at 30fps and 60fps and see. You CANNOT make some roll jumps at 60fps. Ever)!

It's not by accident. It's all decided to be done. Sometimes people really can't code but they tried. Sometimes people can't code and they don't try. Sometimes people can code and don't try. But don't let Ubisoft fool you with that stuff. I guarantee you that from what my developer friend says, anything REALLY deep or inner-workings that goes on they will never, NEVER, *NEVER* say on record. Ever. You might find em drunk at a bar and they'll tell you the real reason, but what they tell you there could cause them to lose their jobs and it can't be proven, so nobody ever says anything about it. It's why sometimes reviewers and almost all interviewers just keep silent about some things that seemingly the ENTIRE crowd wants to know.

This thing here is probably just PR to take the heat off of them.

 

The P651 is all aluminum? It looked like there is quite a bit of plastic on it going by the pictures.

 

Nope. Not happening. You can't carry around a micro-atx system with a keyboard, mouse, *monitor*, speakers/headset, etc and have it be nearly as portable as even the largest laptops. Far less a battery system for it.

 

Ooops. No, it's not. Just double checked - it was me misreading the product page. It has some metal on the chassis, just like the P35X x3. But it's not entirely metallic.

 

After looking at that post about Ubisoft I am actually reconsidering getting a laptop or playing video games again. If Assassins Creed Unity Runs locked at 30fps... Thats cannot be true. But to pay sooo much for a system and then devs have the vram up crazy and nothing runs right... I am starting my life and I might just save that $2K. Idk, but that is depressing news... Whats the point of having a prius or a ferrari when the roads are all mangled and never taken care of because someome is trying to pressure people to buy something else?..

 

Wich is better? Gtx970m sli or Gtx 980m (no sli....) ??
Where can i buy refurbushed laptops at europe??

 

I don't think you fully understand what you are talking about.

Effective bandwidth for GTX 970M is 160GB/s, the same as GTX 880M. Effective bandwidth for GTX 980M is 210GB/s. All calculated by me weeks before launch.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/757332-brace-yourself-new-maxwell-cards-incoming-252.html#post9778993

Its the sole reason why GTX 970M having 120GB/s on paper (not Maxwell optimizations taken in account like I did above) still beating a 160GB/s GTX 880M in demanding games maxed out by 30% in Battlefield 4, 40% in Metro Last Light, 34% in Crysis 3, 40% in Far Cry 3 etc. Bandwidth is no problem for neither 970M nor 980M

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/762758-gtx-900m-series-officially-announced-nvidia-3.html#post9794010

Here is the reason why Maxwell is ready for DSR (higher resolutions than 1080p) and why the bandwidth is so great
http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2014/09/NVIDIA-Maxwell-GM204-Press-Slides-25.jpg

 

that's what I thought too initially, it's probably just another bs excuse ubisoft claims to kick the trash can to MS's side, but they kinda did have a point there, console makers do gain a lot by nerfing pc tho

 

But, but...



Yeah, I agree.

 

No way... lol. The consumers who like the thin laptops think the thicker ones look like that in their mind. Think I am still gonna get the NP9377 regardless of the speculation from Ubisoft (but I do hope there is no limiter on ACU). When I get it I am going to do a really comprehensive review and mobility tests. It would be nice to see 980m SLI performance. Looks like Sager will be the first to showcase it since Alienware is quiet. MSI might do something as I hear.

 

The plot thickens...

CLEVO P651

Spoiler

GIGABYTE P35W v2 (direct predecessor to P35X v3)

Spoiler

I wonder which has better cooling... ?

I mean, Clevo has an extra fan on GPU = awesome. But Gigabyte has shared heatpipes between CPU & GPU = potentially lower CPU temps and lowering fan noise at idle?

Food for thought!

 

What in the hell kind of cooling is that? LOL

I don't think either will do well, but the P651 might do better because it has separate heat sinks. The P34 has a very similar design to the P35, and the P34 is hot and loud.

 

Nah, you're the one misrepresenting what I said.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...icially-announced-nvidia-116.html#post9801528

I was talking about ROP performance, not memory bandwidth specifically. Fillrate suffers on Maxwell when SMM's are disabled even when other factors such as memory bandwidth, ROP count, and ROP clock are kept constant.

This is different from other architectures such as GCN, where ROP performance is actually limited by ROP count and clock, not by the number of CU's. For example, 7870 (20 CU's) with 32 ROP's @ 1 GHz has much higher fillrate than 7950 (28 CU's) with 32 ROP's @ 800 MHz.

Going back to mobile Maxwell, not only are lots of shaders disabled, but reducing memory bandwidth significantly from the desktop cards further hurts rasterization performance since you need bandwidth to feed the ROP's, of which Maxwell 2 has double.

 

Honestly, the gigabyte looks like it'll have higher GPU temps but cooler CPU temps to me. That being said I believe HTWingNut said he played Crysis 3 and BF4 on the P6xxSE and the CPU temps didn't cross their 70's?

 

Be aware that Clevo P65X model with GTX 980M has slightly thicker chassis than the model with GTX 970M - 29 mm vs 25 mm.

For cooling, at least according to NotebookCheck review of GTX 970M model, that unusual 3-fan Clevo design means GPU keeps kinda cool, but on the other hand CPU, with its single fan doesn't seem to get enough cooling (that's problem for hot Haswell).

Also seems like a good idea no matter which notebook you will pick go with just 4710HQ CPU, not the more powerful / hotter 4860HQ (both Clevo and Gigabyte have both options).

 

aww well said, totally forgot about cpu, but still it fits the form factor