GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

Awesome that it's growing, and clearly growing faster than the stagnant gaming desktop market, but it's still a small niche. The Razers, Sagers, MSI's and Dells of the world are not shipping 16-18 million gaming laptops each year like the MBPs and MBAs Apple has been shipping during the past few years.

 

It may be a niche market, but it's not minuscule.

 

No, because Notebookcheck will test more games than Anandtech which will make it statistically more accurate and because NBC max out the games they test which will make the bandwidth optimizations on Maxwell reveal itself more.
Plus I think Anandtech had a unit that wasnt operating properly.

Pclab found better results than Anandtech, and they both benched the same notebook

 

Interesting on reading this, I shipped my 230SS out last week due to issues for an exchange/refund, was looking to possibly grab the 8258/8268, I'm showing now they have 980 options so might shoot for that. I loved the resolution of 1080p on the 13" screen so hoping it still looks just as sharp on the 15" though would have loved to have seen a 1440p variant, though I'm guessing that's only in the UK currently.

Does anyone w/ an 8258/8268 have an issue w/ the keyboard? That seems to be my only concern at this point. Might opt for the 980 M option.

 

anyone know when the die shrink comes out. I am really tempted to just buy the 980m for my m17x R4 because with OC i bet it'll be twice as fast as the 7970m i got now but the die shrink is just so temping considering i am surviving fine on my 7970m :/

I wonder when you can buy the dell one or if the eurocom one will work with dell laptop :/ I didn't realize it was a full 100% faster rofl. I was like 40-50% would be cool but i looked closer and that one review showed 84% hahahah so with OC it would probably be 100%

 

Lol. With a lot of people spending like 3x+ the cost to make the parts @ $2800 and the many that opt for $4-5K I think, although there are more people buying $500 laptops, I think, pricewise, what we do not have in laptop quantities sold we are equal in profit because of the extra thousands retailers make off the marketing and supposed higher quality gaming machines.

But prices will go down significantly in the coming decade. The price of 780m SLI performance has gone down almost $1K in less than 2 years because you can buy one 980m for less than it cost to buy two 780ms for the same power pretty much. Theres like an 8% margin of error which can be totally offset by slight overclock or just om certain synthetic benchmarks it is slightly slower. But still double the performance of 680m. And thats two years old. Go Moores law!

 

I think I'm the only person on this forum who wants 980Ms PURELY because it's cooler than 780Ms.

 

For those who wants pure performance, (I7 4810MQ + SLI GTX 980M + 120GB mSATA SSD + 16GB RAM + Blu-Ray) and cooling by sacrificing looks and some extra not so useful


$2654 before 3% discounts which will results --> $2570 USD. comparable price to MSI/ASUS $2549 USD which has only ONE 980M GTX, slower Cpu but an increase of a mere 128gb ssd

 

upgrade CPU in 6 months or whatever when prices tank with BW..unless the prices might stay the same since socketed broadwell won't come out...not sure how that will affect things

 

You might be, lol.

 

Got a reply from Overclockers UK about pre-ordering a P35X v3. I can cancel if the worst case scenario comes to fruition and reviews show that it spontaneously implodes or something like that. That's a relief

I wonder if there's anything else that I've missed or whether I should just go ahead and preorder now while they still have stock left... anything I've overlooked?

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Only thing I would suggest is maybe wait for some hands on review? If you order it now or in a week or two, it will still be a pre-order, right?

 

Anybody actually notice the part where for MINUS $500 USD you can get SLI 990Ms?

I don't trust this picture XD.

 

Just buy the thing already for Gods sake! ;-)

 

lol 970ms but thats funny

 

No, temperatures is also something I think about when I buy new GPUs

 

Lol I have been saying this throughout the thread. And the people who say anything about looks (99% people on this forum) have just been bought by all the marketing schemes. Form fits function. Form does not come before function. This laptop has what it needs to have just like the human body has what it needs and not a tail, extra noses and fur. This laptop is cheaper, runs the same as something spec'd by Alienware, has mq cpu, capable of 120hz. While there is not a single MSI laptop with the new 900m cards with an mq cpu. By what standard is anyone here judging the meritable design of anything MSI is selling? I could go on... The design of everything MSI is selling is garbage. Everyone go ahead and pay a lot more for a lot less.

EDIT: I found an MSI laptop with an mq cpu and 900m.

 

Me thinks there is a shortage on GTX 980M.

Aorus still isnt out with their notebooks. Gigabyte have ETA in November on several machines. Alienware is nowhere to be seen. MSI and Asus are the only ones delivering units.
GTX 980M can`t be bought yet on Ebay.

 

ummm form can have function -_- The size and shape of a laptop and even looks can have value. I am not too bothered by looks but i still don't want to look at an ugly piece of crap 10 hours a day. My eyes wouldn't like me for that.

When is NBC review of the x7 pro

 

You didn't understand what I said. The form is determined by function. You wouldn't add extra parts in a book that have nothing to add to the story. You wouldn't add extra parts to a sculpture that has nothing to do with the artistic theme. And things look good for your eyes because they have their essential features. Adding extra useless edges, using some steel, lights just because they look cool on other things does not mean they belong on everything.

Some quotes by Frank Lloyd Wright, architect, since everything needs a designer:

"The architect should strive continually to simplify; the ensemble of the rooms should then be carefully considered that comfort and utility may go hand in hand with beauty."

"Form follows function - that has been misunderstood. Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union."

"An architect's most useful tools are an eraser at the drafting board, and a wrecking bar at the site."

I question the extra benefits anything MSI claims to offer with its design.

 

When I saw the Aorus x7 Pro benchmarks I was tempted (the little beast often scored better than the desktop 980!) but it is nowhere to be found here in UK, not a single preorder in sight! So I'm guessing it's going to be a while before it travels across to this side of the pond.

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

I only see it on a single site IIRC. This is the worst launch i have ever seen lol

 

I would buy thin notebooks, if it wasnt for Haswell.
But I learned over the years that thick notebooks with beefy heatpipes and fans are the only one capable of dealing with them without sounding like a bloody leaf blower and burning down the house.

In my Alienware 18, the most noisiest fan was clearly the CPU fan. Despite 770M being 80W while this 4800MQ being 47W. This coming from the thickest notebook ever...

 

Bro read my posts again, whenever I was talking about a desktop card I specifically put "desktop" before it to avoid confusion. Not my fault if you choose to read what you want to read.

Yeah CPUs tend to heat up much more despite lower TDP because of the much smaller die compared to GPUs, hence much higher "heat density" and dissipation is more challenging.

 

Yeah, no. When it's thick it's signalling beauty to any intelligent person. The beauty that whispers "I am protecting your investment by keeping it safe from the main thing that destroys it - heat".

It's because people get seduced by silly marketing that we get phones that break when you bend over and wheels on cars so thin they literally cause you spinal damage when they meet a normal road.

Be smart - say 'no' to the advertising exec and get what performs best and will last longest. I can assure you that if there's one thing your eyes will like less than a fat notebook, is a dead thin one that just cost you 4k.

 

Is there a big problem scaling down from 3k to 1080P?

 

Meh, there have been thin laptops able to run most games at 1080p for quite a long time now. My envy 15 has lasted nearly 5 years, and it's still rocking 1080p zero AA like a boss.

Portability has always been much more important to me than dialing up MSAA to 16x. Since I already need a decent laptop for work and travel a lot, I'm not inclined to buy a gaming desktop nor a bulky desktop replacement.

Now we are starting to see some slim form factor laptops with rather impressive hardware. If it's loud and hot while gaming, I'll use a good laptop cooler, external numpad/mouse and noise canceling headphones - problem solved.

 

I can`t believe you guys are willing to put up with a noisy system with headphones and using external cooler because the system is too poorly designed to get rid of the heat..

 

Who doesn't use headphones while gaming on laptop? Do you connect it to external speaker, or use the laptop speakers? My place has very loud echo due to concrete floors and high ceiling, so any speakers sound pretty bad.

And until recently I thought everyone who gamed on laptops used laptop cooler. If a good one reduces temps, why not?

 

The design of a thin laptop will appeal to me when the technology becomes so advanced it no longer needs traditional cooling like what we have in tablets. And from an engineering standpoint, even thick laptops such as Alienware are still small enough to fit anywhere. They weigh more but the logistics seems the same. It will fit in most bags. And the better cooling plus better everything including price and having a solder free experience are a better design than overheating, throttling, much more expensive laptop which you still cannot have on your lap because of heat. Everyone says there is a huge mobility difference between the thicker and thinner laptops but peoples houses, desks, bags, cars and lockers can fit either fine. And if you have so little space you can barely fit a .85 inch laptop then... come on that's BS. You can fit another inch thicker laptop.

He said he is going to use an external cooler thus canceling out the mobility of getting one. And having one of those external coolers makes it much less mobile (significantly) than getting a 1inch thicker laptop. Of course he could leave the cooler at home and use the laptop for work but why not get a $200-500 ultrabook for work and a much much much much much cheaper and faster desktop for home?

 

Alienware @ .85 inches?

 

No I think MSI sells laptops that thin. NP9377 is 2 inches thick.

 

Why should i consider buying an MSI GS70 over the MSI GS60 and vice versa?

 

I just need a non-Clevo brand gaming laptop that doesn't look like a gaming laptop. The only such thing that fits that bill is Gigabyte. So that's what I'll get

I have two choices, either;

a) get a fully souped up 17.3" monster and then also a more portable, yet good quality 1080p multimedia machine.
b) get an all-in-one with some compromise on the heat but much cheaper option overall!

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Because I need to be able to do work on it. Not just MS Office stuff.

i7, SSD, 16GB RAM makes a big difference for me working on large files in Adobe apps.

Sometimes I'm traveling 4 or 5 months out of the year. Having an expensive desktop sitting at home would feel like a waste.

Somewhat less important concern, but yeah some of those gaming laptops have disco lights and flame stickers or giant dragon logos, etc.

 

Well both have similar specs but the GS70 chasis will have more space so there will be slightly better cooling.. Also a question whether you want a 17" 1080p display or 15" 3K display...

 

Then you are not gaming often and that sounds like a waste or are you taking the cooler with you? Might as well get a thicker laptop. You made it sound like you only game with the cooler, if so then you must be taking the cooler with you or just not gaming often. There are cheaper laptops with i7s. And you can put an SSD and 16gbs of ram in anything nowadays.

 

AnandTech did max out the games they tested.

ROP performance on mobile Maxwell suffers badly due to the reduced SM's and memory bandwidth.

 

In a classroom of any kind, my D900F AND my P370SM3 on max fans have not been notice-able in terms of noise. Either basic ambient noise or an air condition or... pretty much anything, really... drowns it out. I've never had a problem with noise on these; a fan on in the room at all will more than produce enough noise to counteract the fans, far less a game.

That being said I always use headphones and I probably could do with a notepal U3 with some modding for when I'm at home, but it's more because my situation is extraordinarily hot rather than my system being incapable. As of 45 minutes ago, the middle of the country was said to be 33 deg C. It has gotten hotter than that since then. Then consider my room has no ventilation except JUST underneath the roof, which means there's no airflow here, so it's a lot of hot stagnant air running around in my room, even with the fan next to me helping the flow.

I can't imagine portability being a bonus if needing to carry around a notebook cooler everywhere though. I would think a thicker laptop would be better if one needed to use a notebook cooler everywhere for a smaller one XD.

 

From my point of view, it makes zero sense to spend money buying two separate laptops both with expensive SSDs, etc. Or separate laptop and desktop with the same costly options.

And the desktop replacement size is really inconvenient, my envy 15 is cumbersome enough as it is on a plane, or lugging around film festivals, etc., man I wish we could go even smaller, cram all this hardware into Macbook Air form factor.

Only speaking for myself, but I'm not traveling around playing games in airports, etc. I run games to relax when I have free time at home, occasionally in hotel, but no there is no way I'm hauling around a damn Zalman cooler


EDIT: Even if I had a desktop replacement, I'd probably still sit it right on top of the noisy Zalman cooler for gaming. Sure, better cooling than a slim laptop, but I'd still want to reduce the temps as low as possible.

 

I can understand people not caring, it is one of those personal preference things, if you game alone using a nice set of noise canceling head phones, then yeah who cares. That said in my situation I prefer a very low noise computer.

I presently amongst other things help take care of an elderly relative, so I need to be able to hear them while gaming. This means I use a single ear-bud at very low volume. Which works fine for me, but even on my present laptop which tops out at probably about 40dB I sometimes get annoyed by it. The problem of course being that 1 ear has no music making it far more obvious. Admittedly my situation is fairly abnormal, but many other situations may call for a very quiet laptop.

Doubles as work computer and used in area with multiple other people.
Used by someone that does music/sound related things.
brought to LAN parties
used at night in a quiet area. (if you have ever lived in the country, nights can be extremely quiet, so everything seems far louder comparatively)
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On the form follows function, that is true, but some of the differences are functional depending on your situation, also visual appeal actually does matter, thats why people give flowers, or wear pretty clothes. On the other side multiple people on this thread even have mentioned the Clevo's plainness as a functional bonus as in it being a theft deterrent. Function just is a very broad term, and its very dependent on your personal situation as to what is a plus or minus.

 

I like their designs but I need the aesthetics to be discrete with the fact it's a gaming laptop - even ASUS, supposedly the 'minimalist' option sticks a 'Republic Of Gamers' logo on their machines - not exactly being subtle there!

At least we're now at that point where we can say that we have plenty of ROPs. Many mobile GPUs of previous generations were ROP starved!

Well, there's at least one advantage to the good ol' classic British weather!

I feel the same way too. I could solve all my problems by buying two expensive laptops: one giant gaming powerhouse and one portable premium ultrabook. And up until about a month ago, that was the option I was going to take. But that's darn costly! Now that the Gigabyte P35X v3 has been announced, I'd rather make a few compromises in order to save hundreds, or potentially even thousands of pounds!

I've already got used to the loudness of my jet-engine Clevo fans so moving over to another jet-engine I can tolerate for the greater good!

 

dude you'll throw out a laptop before heat kills it. I have runned everything as hot as it can go and it goes on for years and years and gets to the point its worthless and no one will buy it because its so old. You can run chips at 90C 24/7 for years. I'll most likely replace it before it ever dies.

hey bro....read your own post again...it doesn't state desktop. Read your posts again.

Also as cakefish has said...some people need a professional laptop...that isn't function...its form. You can't carry in a G51j into a business meeting and not look stupid. Sure you can misconstrue that saying to say well it functions the way you need it so form follows function but your simply being ridiculous. It can be said both ways -_- Sayings like this usually are crap.

 

I don't care what you do but if you are only playing games at home it would be cheaper to get desktop and decent laptop with ssd 16gb ram than what the thin gaming laptops are going for. It sounds like you do not play that often.

Flowers are beautiful and clothes can be nice. There is a reason why you do not wear shorts in the winter; you do not wear a fur coat in summer. Form fits function. Whatever the occasion you do what it needs. Its not subjective. You cannot use a hammer to fill the air in a tire and you cannot write a book about an apathetic man to show the theme of love. It is dependent on your situation as is it dependent on everything in the universe. Nature is not in a vacuum There is a reason why we do not have beaks, breathe fire and asexually reproduce.

I do not care what anyone spends their money on. But the claim that Clevo has a poor design cannot be left unopposed. People think, because of Apple advertising and all this other crap, that if its made out of metal or has certain edges its superior design. Apple just got embarrassed with their new phone that's made out of supposed quality materials but you can bend it with your hands. Not everything needs to be made out of aluminum. Using certain metals in certain places in the world is stupid because it does not take into account for weather and climate. The thinner laptops are claimed to be more portable because that extra inch on thick laptops is unbearable yet no one lives in smurf huts so it is not a real problem.

 

@TomJGX
Is it difficult to downscale from 3K to FHD?

 

Exactly, would any of you run out to buy that lime green Pontiac Aztek if it happened to have the best mileage and fastest engine?

The objects you incorporate into the space of your home certainly have an effect on your outlook. Why choose one particular desk or bookshelf over another when designing your workspace. Some are fine with building their own desk out of 2x4s propped up on concrete blocks. For many of us, our laptops are something we are holding in our hands and staring at all day for multiple years.

What you are proposing might work for someone else, but it doesn't make sense for my situation.

It is certainly not cheaper to buy slim laptop with i7-4710 or 4860HQ, decent discrete graphics card, 1-2TB of multiple SSDs in Raid0 - already this is almost the price of P35x v3. And then I'm going to waste money on a beastly stationary gaming desktop I would rarely use with i7-4770k or similar and GTX 970 or 980 8GB VRAM (and high VRAM versions only exist on laptop chip currently), and then another SSD Raid that costs more than the 980, etc.

Working with large video files or outdoor print advertising, etc., I need a lot of fast SSD storage. Photoshop scratch disk often balloons up to 100GB. I need the best CPU and the most RAM I can afford. I could get by with slightly weaker GPU for work stuff, but now that 980m and 970m are on the market, seems like a perfect package and not much more than I was already going to spend anyways.

It is much more economical for me to buy just one good laptop suitable for work, that I can also use for gaming. Same as when I bought my last laptop nearly 5 years ago. (About time for an upgrade! :hi2

 

question is:

to buy laptop now or not to buy laptop now (broadwell + 4k)

 

the next big thing is always around the corner...but maxwell is truly an improvement over kepler.

 

it reminds me of Fermi > Kepler, huge step! (especially at efficiency, I still cannot believe there is an ultrabook on the market with 980m in it!!!)

 

I only play games at my home(s) - I have three (my mum's house, my dad's house, my room when I'm at uni during term time) - so at least there is some travelling involved there! I'm also in a different situation to most people too - my desk in my current room is so small that I literally would not be sitting hardly any further away from a desktop monitor as I do my laptop display, so moving to desktop would actually drastically decrease PPI. I could remedy this by buying 4K monitor and the SLI GPUs necessary to drive that display but along with all the other accessories required that usually come standard in a laptop, then it'd be approaching a very similar cost of a laptop anyways!