GTX 900M series officially announced by NVIDIA!!!

Horrific coil <del>whine</del> screech, to the point that I can hear them while gaming unless volume is >65%. And even then in quiet scenes I hear the annoying sound.

So yeah if Gigabyte doesn't come through on this I'm ditching these, or failing that eat the 15% restock and wait out this Maxwell craze. I get this feeling companies are cashing in on this early frenzy and skimping on QC. To be fair this is definitely not a Gigabyte-only issue, and every brand of 970 appears to be affected.

 

I am concerned about the Gigabyte P35W V3 and P35X V3 having exactly the same chassis. correct me if I'm wrong.

On Gigabyte's website, there's no specified difference between the dimensions/weight/thickness or anything else for that matter between the two. It looks exactly the same.

The previous generation P35W V2 with the 870m had heat/throttling issues and the fans had to work extra hard to compensate, so it was a pretty noisy machine too.

The new P35W v3 with the 970m could be expected to significantly improve the thermal situation and also noise, since the 970m is hugely more efficient over the 870m.

However, I am assuming that the P35X v3, (with the 980m) has probably similar thermal output of the old 870m, which if true, would mean maintaining exactly the same thermal throttling and noise issues in the P35 chassis that we were hoping to get rid of. Furthermore, Gigabyte uses the 6gb and 8gb versions of the 970m and 980m respectively, and we have have discussed that the higher VRAM chips require more power... which is another thermal negative for the P35X perhaps.

I'd suspect the P35W v3 with the 970m would be a much better purchase for a balanced system in terms of thermals.

I'd be more comfortable if the P35X v3 was either 1) just a tiny bit thicker/heavier to signal to consumers it has slightly stronger cooling ability, or 2) use the 4gb VRAM variant of the 980m which requires less power compared to 8gb, and I guess leads to probably lower thermals.

I really hope I'm wrong, as the P35X v3 otherwise looks like an excellent machine.

side note: didn't 860m maxwell initially release as 2gb soldered, and then also as 4gb soldered? were there any thermal differences? i remember it was confusing to people at the time because until that point, everyone had assumed 4gb always meant the kepler version.

 

InB4 GTX 980M coil whine.

 

Plot twist: GTX 980M has GTX 880M issues. Please, no.

So, it looks like the 980M's are 4GB cards, right?

 

Like i said, it's not about how it outperforms the gtx 880M only
But about the comparison between runner up and top dog.
I suspect the next GTX x70M will have a closer margin to the top dog.
Dont forget GTX x70M is 192 bit and has relatively low bandwidth for current games.
You will see more bottlenecking sooner or later.

 

Beat you to it

Though in all likelihood the power circuitry will have to be completely redesigned so I doubt it would be an issue.

 

Good point.

 

Sure hope not! That's why I hope reviews come in fast! I need to know.

Both 8GB and 4GB versions are available.

 

I hope to god nobody buys the 3GB 970M just to save $50, that'd be one very costly mistake. Luckily, this is the one time where marketing may actually save the potential buyers.

 

Any resellers put up 980M sli configs yet

 

Sorry since I couldn't catch the problem here. What exactly is wrong with the 3GB version of the 970M?

 

For most games 3GB should be fine on ultra settings. For maybe 5% of present games you will need to drop to High settings for at least textures, or turn off shadows or such. For future games more and more you will need to drop to high settings.

With a single 970m I would not worry too much about it, dropping settings will also increase FPS so you will be trading some graphic quality for smoother graphics. For a 970m SLI on the other hand since you may already be hitting 60 FPS or higher on those games I would avoid the 3GB vRAM.

If you specifically plan to play Shadow of Mordor, Watchdogs, or a few other high vRAM games, then you should take that into account.

 

Need moar RAMz 4 next-gen games!

 

^what the 8-headed muscle guy said

 

Unless this particular nobody has no choice? In Poland they are only offering MSI GS60 with 3k display and 3gb 970m

I would rather buy 1080p and 6gb but since i have no choice... :/

 

I wouldn't lose sleep over it if you're not doing SLI, but just be aware that the highest texture setting in certain games won't be available to you. And you're not a nobody.

 

Its not 3gb that buggs me the most - i can live just fine with high instead of ultra in some badly optimised games.

Whats worrying me the most is the 3k display - i heard that normal apps as browser etc has terribe scalling issues - any1 can confirm or deny this?

Also, how does gaming would look like in native resolution - saw some charts that 970m is doing just fine with >40fps even on max details im native but cant be sure untill some more reviews confirms it :/

And in case of not playing in native but going down to 1080p - would this decrease the overall quality or its not a problem at all (seen a lot of opposite opinions on this matter :/ )

 

Yeah you will run into software scaling issues with the 3K display. You can run games at 900p without too much of an image quality loss over native, it will just be a little blurrier.

 

Xotic has Sager NP9377 with 980M SLI option. It's pre order expected to ship at the end of the month.

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it isnt a 50$ difference , the cheapest 970m 3gb is a msi one for 1500$ , while the gtx 970m 6gb model is 1899$ . almost 400$ difference

 

Damn, you were supposed to say "no worries its all good with 3k" - now, after reading your cmment i will definatly try to hold myself from pulling the trigger on 3k version

 

Nah. If I lied to you, someone else would step in to correct me in short order.

 

Wow that 9377 with 980m sli is not cheap, its about 250 dollars more expensive than the 880m sli option from what I can remember

 

I take is a Clevo/Sager will probably be the cheapest to contain a 980M? Any UK reseller have any Clevo/Sagers with a 980M in the region of £1200?

 

I am just waiting for Sager to pop out with another 970M 6GB on amazon and it's mine. I have there store card and would much rather have amazon's customer service.

 

I configured one and price seems similar to when the 880M came out... You probably saw the 9377 price a few months after it came out..

I would keep dreaming about this.. for 1200 you'll probably get a 970M at most... a 980M config would be 1400-1600...

 

Man this is tough. I really want something smaller and lighter, and the P650SE/G is looking nice, but considering the crap console porting, 3GB and 4GB vRAM just might not be enough. Then again, I usually don't care much about Ultra textures, I think I can get away with high/very high in most instances anyhow at 1080p.

 

As to the 3K display and gaming, it depends a lot on what games you are playing.

870m : 1080p vs 3K
BioShock Infinite = 54 vs 28 fps
Tomb Raider = 38 vs 21 fps
Anno 2070 = 42 vs 35 fps
Watch Dogs = 24 vs 12 fps

970m will clearly be faster and it is very dependent on which games you play, but in general you will probably lose 33% to 50% FPS it seems.

 

The 6GB VRAM is just an itch, if you can control that itch you'll be fine.

 

Are there even decent images of this laptop that is everyone is talking about? the leaked images it has 0 fan of the back and 0 image showing its sides/thickness
It's not even light to begin with about 3KG with HHD+SSD on it vs GS60 1.9KG it's also thicker and has less battery
i really don't get hype about it unless it's going to be really cheap.
it has 4 ram slots and 2 hard drives slot

 

Speaking about MSI GS60 variants - there is also 4K MSI GS60 version around, from at least one reseller, hopefully more would pop up later on?

4K or 1080p is kinda the big question I'm trying to figure out for myself for this generation update, independently of a notebook model (e.g. also new thin Clevos P65X have 4K options).

While 4K is probably too much for native resolution gaming even with GTX 980M (I'm leaning more towards GTX 970M), it should be nicer than 1080p for normal work / browsing / reading use (I already got used to high DPI from phone & tablet, I do miss it on my current 15" 1080p screen).

4K should be easier to downscale than 3K as it's the whole number multiple of 1080p, so less dangers for fuzzier font rendering and the same effective screen space as 1080p (these are about the only concerns for downscaling, for games it'll hardly matter anyways, you can scale pretty much with arbitrary multiples depending on preference of crispness vs framerate).

BTW for 3 GB vs 6 GB MSI GS60 models according to official MSI recommended prices difference is exactly 100 USD:

GS60 2QE Ghost Pro-044 - MSRP 1899.99 USD
GS60 2QE Ghost Pro-064 - MSRP 1999.99 USD

MSI USA GS60 2QE Ghost Pro

 

Cheers for that

Currently im mostly playing diablo3 so i guess that handlig it in native 3k shouldnt be a big problem for 970m. Of course since i would be having such high-end machine i would also like to play something new like bf4/new cod/ new fifa and that may not be so easy to handle in 3k even for 970m, so thats why i started to wonder if i should wait for 1080 version or not.

 

I have no problem using 2560x1440 resolution on a phone
4K on "windows" laptop is a waste of time and no you will not 100% browse better on it or even run programs better on it.
4K on a laptop = things will not be readable unless you use a telescope or increase windows DPI scaling (defeats the point of higher resolution and introduce blur)
1920x1080p on 15 inch laptop is the perfect dpi for windows, this is not mac os where higher resolution is actually better, windows is not designed around high dpi yet maybe with windows 10

Also these 2 GS60 models different is not just 3->6GB VRAM, but also ram increased from 12 to 16GB ram so it's much better deal and can already be found for 1850$ and ready to ship.

 

Do 17.3" GT72 screens also have 3K/4K, or is it only for smaller screens?

 

At the risk of a double post, I find it interesting that notebookcheck benched a 3gb 970m playing Shadow of Mordor @ ultra resulting in 51fps - hardly a result that indicates any sort of stuttering.

Not making a case for one or the other, rather pointing out a simple observation

 

Price should be pretty similar. I tried to find example available MSI GS60 and configure Clevo P651SE to similar specs:

MSI GS60 2QE - GeForce GTX 970M 3GB, 3K display, 128 GB SDD, 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD, 8 GB RAM - 1,685 EUR (VAT included)
MSI GS60 2QE-026CZ Ghost Pro 3K | Alza.sk


Clevo P651SE - GeForce GTX 970M 3GB, 3K display, 128 GB SDD, 1 TB 7200 RPM HDD, 8 GB RAM - 1,570 EUR (VAT included)
Laptop XTREEM EV by Clevo P651SE dla Gracza

The best images so far I have seen were here:

IMAGINE: NEW Clevo Models

 

Totally an estimate but I'm guessing it will be about 1,300 dollars

 

If prices are this similar I would definitely go with the MSI

 

That's the average FPS, which won't tell you if there was stuttering. Minimum FPS is what you want to know.

 

Stutter doesn't really show at these benchmarks, many many years ago when SLI sucked benchmarks showed +60FPS on my 60FPS monitor yet my other pc with 30fps looked smoother
Middle earth is not a special case, Watch dogs need more than 3GB, titanfall, etc ton of games in fact titanfall on 1080p only passes the 4GB VRAM USED

 

Closest I could get to the same configuration that I bought, its $226.01 over my build including the non-120hz 72% gamut LCD and the upgrade M550 drives from my M500s.

Not a crazy difference but yes, its more expensive.

Was there ever a question that nVidia was going to gouge the mobile sector on pricing when there is zero competition?

 

Pretty much the same images leaked before expect i see 1 fan now? and no images on the side still, that nearly side image is critically placed and reminds me of asus misleading



Reality

 

lol yes it was an exaggeration, but are you sure you're comparing the same laptop? It sounds like there's a lot more than just 6GB 970M for the $400 difference.

 

ROFL not so thin after all...

 

@ethrem
Thanks man. Not concerned about broadwell. I am going head over and talk to xoticpc. I should be able to get the np9377 at the end of october. Happy day.

 

Great point, would be nice to see some min fps data

 

970m
BF4 = 54 FPS
CoD Ghosts = 51 FPS
Fifa 15 = 218 FPS

so Fifa you are totally safe on, BF4 and CoD probably around 30 FPS on Ultra

So far no-one manufactures >1080p 17.3" display panels, so they do not exist in any laptops. When someone starts manufacturing them everyone will celebrate and they will make lots of money (preferably making 2560x1440p).

Except those are pictures of Asus g551, not Clevo p651, not to mention its Asus gx500 thats the ultra thin one. Admittedly its a misleading picture though.

http://forum.techinferno.com/clevo/7721-imagine-new-clevo-models.htmlhas pictures of Clevo p651

 

Thinking of GT72 or GS60
I already has access to a high end desktop...
Decision time.....

GS60 issues for me is noise + 970m only no 980m but it's also much lighter and smaller for portability but GT72 GPU can easily be upgraded later on.... lol
the new RED one looks cool though

 

Now I'm strongly considering the Gigabyte P35X v3 (980m)

 

You'll be fine with 3GB, especially at these resolutions. And I'm talking ultra settings with generous AA at 1080P. I'm all but imploring people to not buy the vRAM hype.

Money where my mouth is: I'm going 3GB on a GS60 with a 970M. I'll use it through at least the end of 2015 maxing out every game at 1080P or I'll dismantle the thing and eat it!