GTX 980 launched for notebooks

So, we've got a first real pricing on GTX 980 notebook - MSI GT72 "anniversary edition" - starting from whopping 3,800 EUR:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-an...with-GeForce-980-for-3800-Euros.150823.0.html

 

Spoiler: Heatpipes

 

2180 EUR - http://www.hyperbook.pl/hyperbook-gtr870-p870dm-p-25755.html?currency=EUR

Its the most powerful version of the card too.

 

That's when configured with default GTX 970M SLI (also just 4 GB RAM, no SSD, 500GB HDD, no OS).

If you click-through to "configure now", the same spartan config but with GTX 980 is 2,440.86 EUR (extra 260.70 EUR vs 2x GTX 970M, but 308.10 EUR cheaper than 2x GTX 980M).

Maybe Clevo P775DM could be cheaper but that shop doesn't have it yet.

 

Oops, it was early in the morning. Either way Clevo is a lot cheaper than MSI. And much more robust cooling.

 

I vote CLEVO.
Better prices and better internals parts...
I wish the new cards fit in my p377sm-a....

 

patience regular mxm 980 are already in internal testing with clevo...

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Prema is testing??

 

haha no, but that info is from him

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Hmmm this doesn't seem so optimistic:

Spoiler

 

according to that itll depend on the programming of the VR app i guess...

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It's not bad, considering VR is in its infancy. I'd assume it will only get better. Scaling has always started out crappy.

 

Know who won't have this issue? AMD

 

I soon fly to USA and hope get one CYBERPOWERPC with dual 980

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Let me get this straight: We're talking laptops...
With 500W power bricks? Dear God...

I'm curious to see how much more power the GX700 (Asus's water-cooled thing) will consume when compared to Clevo's model.

Hey AMD, any chance of shoving that Nano in a laptop?

 

oh man this is gonna be good!

 

Doesn't it seem odd, to have the same CPU, the 6820HK in two MSI laptops so far apart in pricing?

$4250 US for the Special Edition with new 980 GPU, and $1600 US for the 970m model, and they both have the same CPU, the 6820HK.

It seems like the initial Skylake CPU release are pretty thin with a range of options.

 

Well the cheap one has just a 970m & just a 1TB HDD while the expensive one has, in addition to the 980, 16GB extra RAM, 2-512GB M.2 SSD, G-Sync and whatever additional hardware changes required in the "S" version.

Edit: Odd that the GT72s only has 1-HDMI and 1-mini display port. Why would they drop support for 3 monitors when adding a so much more capable GPU?

 

anyone interested in taking a look at the copperfest a.k.a. internal cooling solution for the 200W TDP 980 monster inside the clevo p870dm? follow that link and prepare to be blown away

http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?t=11022

also includes clear pics of the 980 mxm board and the mxm 3.0 B heatsinks in sli

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thegreatsquare, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. It wasn't the price differentiation like storage, ram, and GPU that was odd, it was that two widely different levels of laptop have the same CPU.

The super expensive top end laptop has the same CPU as the mid-range budget laptop.

The 6820HK seems to be the only Skylake mobile CPU shipping.

I am not complaining, it just seems odd. In the previous generation we would have had the 4720HQ on the one end, and the 4980HQ on the other.

There doesn't seem to be a range of Skylake CPU's available yet.

 

That is crazy! 6 heatpipes on one heatsink!

 

How about you / Prema posts this interesting information so all can see it, without jumping through hoops before it's visible, please?

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That's a load of hoops to jump through, after being asked to come and look.

 

You need TI membership to view the pics.

If you ask nicely perhaps prema will upload them to NBR as well.

 

King of Interns, I did ask nicely

 

The 6700HQ is worthless, and the 6920HQ is a downgrade due to the lack of the unlocked multiplier ( and the fact that the iris pro can't be used in the SLI machine it doesn't even have an Iris Pro; even worse than I thought). No sense to use anything but the 6820HK. Because intel doesn't want choice in laptops anymore =D.

That being said, until I get somebody to run a 6820HK through vigorous, D2 Ulti-proved testing scenarios, I don't believe it can hold its TDP.

And if it CAN hold its TDP in say... a P670RG, but it can't in a GT72? Well friends... hehehehe... MSI will be selling the most overpriced junkbooks the world has ever known.

 

None of the Skylake CPUs, both desktop and mobile, have Iris Pro. Only select Haswell and Broadwell chips do, and some Skylake ULV have Iris non-Pro. The only reason to get the 6700HQ or 6920HQ is if you require vPro, SIPP, or TXT.

 

I stand corrected. The 6920HQ is even worse than I thought.

 

D2 Ultima, and that is the problem, in a nutshell

That 6820HK CPU, without tuning, is pretty weak.
http://ark.intel.com/products/88969/Intel-Core-i7-6820HK-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz?q=6820hk

At 2.7ghz base, and max default turbo of 3.6ghz, default performance isn't going to come off as well as the previous generation 4980HQ, 5950HQ, or even the 4720HQ - with similar clocks out of the box.

In order to get performance out of it, *everyone* is going to have to become proficient in XTU / Throttlestop, and the inner workings of CPU architecture - and learn how to tune each tweak for maximum performance.

And, as you said, the platform it comes in will need to provide plenty of power and cooling to allow the 6820HK TDP to reach it's full potential.

There are going to be a lot of unhappy campers when they run their benchmarks the first time, and again when they realize they are clueless on how to get full performance, and yet again after they knock their heads for hours on end trying to attain that performance.

Although a K processor is awesome for us, for the normal person, it had better give them what they want out of the box, without much effort.

Intel would do well to come up with a good default Profile to ship with the latest XTU for the 6820HK, to give people what they want.

It's gonna be interesting

 

If its 4-core turbo is 3.6GHz then it's equal to a 4910MQ (considering the slight IPC improvements) in stock performance, give or take. The skylake desktop chips' and the broadwell chips' turbo match 1-core and 4-core, so this may be the case; we don't know yet. It also has a 8MB cache, also like a 49xxMQ chip.

Anybody who buys an overclockable CPU and doesn't at least TRY to tune it is an absolute money-wasting idiot, and I will never change my stance on that. It's one thing if you can't cool it... *I* can't cool my 4800MQ above 3.5GHz. My OLD 4800MQ I could. This one I cannot. I know how to get the most out of my CPU if I felt like it, I am limited by other factors. I know ENDLESS streamers with i7-4790K/4770K/3930K/3970X/4930K/5960X CPUs at STOCK because they have never bothered to even begin to care about overclocking; either because they're afraid to damage their chip (says one of them with a 3970X which is watercooled) or they never bothered, but refused to buy non-K versions of their CPUs and save money. I can't be convinced otherwise here.

I didn't mention a single word about "cooling". I said "TDP". And in the past where MQ chips in Clevos and Alienwares held TDP like a champ, MSI's laptops have locked to 47W just like HQ chips have, even though all MSI laptops come with a 200W base long AND short power turbo slider setting (on a 180W power brick). I've asked multiple MSI GT60 and GT70 owners and even those who've paid Svet for his unlocked BIOS, no matter what they set in their BIOS, cannot go past this limit for long power loads. However I know the systems are physically capable, since Dufus does it with his BIOS hacks.

See paragraph #2

I never understood why the unlocked i7 CPUs for Devil's Canyon and Skylake had such a huge base/turbo clock speed but the non-unlocked ones had far lower speeds. I believe the smallest difference you could find was 400MHz? Like... there's almost no reason to buy the locked CPUs based on base clocks alone. It sells way more of them. I'm fine with locked and unlocked having basically the same speeds to start with. Again, I refer to paragraph #2.

 

hey folks (especially @hmscott),

i didnt intend to "lock out" or "fish" anyone here, i was actually just linking to the TI thread instead of posting the pics here out of respect for prema, since hes the source and those are as of yet non-published infos and pics

so if HE decides to post the stuff here, fine! its not my decision though

cheers!

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jaybee83, no problem. It's something you didn't consider when you posted, as you have a login, and have a membership, and can see everything posted.

I hope Prema opens up the images to view for everyone, there or here

 

It is open for everyone there... but they have an anti-spam feature which requires people to post a certain number of times before being open to view images, attachments, or downloads. People worth their salt on NBR usually already have cleared those requirements over at T|I

 

Well the unlocked 6820HK is the same price as the 6700HQ. That's right, the unlocked CPU is as cheap as the locked instead being $100s more.


...jealous?



...yeah, ...me too.

 

....

WHY DOES THE 6700HQ EXIST

 

So the manufacturer can offer an i7 w/o permitting OCing.

...only thing I can think of.


...now if only Intel would turn the 6440HQ into a 6620HK.

 

thegreatsquare, not jealous, more concerned.

I hope those first owners with a 6820HK come up with good XTU profiles to share, or Throttlestop Profiles?, that OC's to a goodly point above stock - such that the GPU's aren't held back. And, make them available to all.

I know when I did that for the G750JW/JX/JH it really opened up the laptops to everyone, not just those with the expertise to do so on their own.

The 6820HK across such a wide range of Skylake laptops would really benefit from a good OC profile to share with everyone.

Maybe Intel will do it, but past experience has shown it will take the community to build it.

Fun stuff

 

Just sign up for the TI forum, sheesh. It's free unless you want to download stuff.

 

with the 6820HK having a max 4core boost of only 3.2 ghz it better be overclockable in a good fashion, cuz sub 4ghz aint worth crap in my oc book and in this context

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This is a big question and worry on our mind, with it being unlocked there shouldnt be a bin cap but I also remember a press release from MSI about it being set to 4ghz max (In reference to the GT72 I believe) so we will see. The good thing is if the max is in the bios only it can be delt with instead of being in the chip like the HQ cpus. The first HK own owner will have quit a bit responsibility .

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vPro, SIPP, and TXT like I mentioned earlier

 

Looking at that Intel chart, the 6700HQ doesn't have SIPP, vPro or TXT.

 

You're right, 6820HQ and 6920HQ have vPro, SIPP, and TXT

 

Only 6820HK and HQ should exist. Every other Core i7 model is useless.

 

And it has 2MB less L3 cache.

I repeat: WHY does the 6700HQ exist?

 

The pics not showing for non members was not even a feature.

The forum code had a bug, after migrating to a new server, which forced us to show pictures as attachments or they wouldn't preview at all.

Now since attachments fall into the member class, non members couldn't see them.

That bug, THX to our coders working for a couple of hours, is now fixed and pictures can again be seen by non members.

Sorry for the trouble!

 

So thin laptops that have crappy cooling [Lenovo Ys, Asus X/P55, Acers, Toshibas, etc.] can sport an i7 too.


...that's all I can think of it being.

 

please, those things throttle anyway and consumers were more than happy to buy them. Might as well shove a 6820HQ in it since it's the same price.

 

but the additional heat from OCing isn't going to help. I'm sure manufacturers don't want to deal with all the additional RMA requests.

 

I said 6820HQ, not 6820HK. It's only what, 200MHz faster? Still slower than 4720HQ that all of them used?

 

Well... I misread it.

There is no reason for the 6700HQ to exist.

*...6700HQ runs away crying*