GTX 980 launched for notebooks

whats the point of all this graphics power? do we have any good games coming out soon? i havent played a decent game in years..well on PC atleast

 

I have. This is a useless argument though since there are no facts, only opinions.

 

yeah i guess its personal preference..
i dont game much anymore so i guess my opinion is a bit "unschooled".

 

one good reason for the 6700HQ to exist: take crappiest binned chips, disable as many functions as possible, slap a crazy price tag on it and all turdbook lovers be like: ZOMG! SKYLAKE! wants it!

profit baby!

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Witcher 3, Far Cry 4, GTA V, Mad Max, Dying Light, Dark Souls, Wolfenstein, Borderlands, Metal Gear (whichever one take your pick), Thief , Titanfall, ... those are just the ones off the top of my head from the last couple of years not to mention upcoming ones like X-Com 2, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Mirror's Edge Catalyst, Fallout 4, Star Wars Battlefront, Rainbow Six Siege, Rise of the Tomb Raider, The Division, Just Cause 3, ... again off the top of my head. I know I'm probably just feeding a troll.

 

I'll add Elite: Dangerous, Pillars of Eternity, Divinity: Original Sin, Wasteland 2..

 

tomb raider, gta v, watchdogs, witcher 3, dreamfall, life is strange, bf4 etc are all really decent games i agree...but i am just reminiscing on the days when the original far cry came out...when the first bioshock game came out...it was an amazing feeling, and the thirst for more compute power to play at the highest settings was there..now..well i guess that thirst and excitement isnt there anymore..for me atleast

 

Prema, no trouble, I thought it was weird, I'm glad I found the bug and it's fixed so quickly, nice!!

Nice photo's, the 870DM+980 is a really awesome looking machine!!
http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?t=11022

 

I doubt Fallout 4 will disappoint.

 

maybe im just getting old

 

omg, reminiscing about bioshock 1 and far cry 1 and feeling old its like....what am I supposed to say then? first game was prince of persia on an xt in monochrome pixel mania! bioshock and far cry is like 5 minutes ago

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Na, you just need to get back into the game. I'm 42 going on 43... and I'm still PCGMR...



Speaking of Bioshock 1, here's my video showing it on a Nvidia 8600m GT on my Dell Vostro 1500 from 8 years ago!:

 

No, I'm the same way. I have a lot of full/half-played AAA games in my backlog I'm just meh about.


...I feel like I just go through the motions waiting for the gems [Fallout, TES, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Dishonored, Dragon Age] to show up.

 

Apologies if this has been discussed, been traveling last few days and this thread moved fast ha... what are the general thoughts on the 180w version of the 980? Still a decent option or is the 980m overclocked in the same ball park? Specifically, interested in the Clevo P775DM.

 

Fallout 4!

Bethesda games usually aren't too demanding until you start adding all the high res texture mods, script heavy mods, etc. - then you want a decent CPU and graphics card with a lot of VRAM, especially considering this one will not be shackled by the PS3/Xbox 360 hardware.

 

Fallout 4 in November.
Dark Souls 3 in April

Thats the only upcoming must play games for me that I know of

 

This card was targeted as being the only mobile GPU to be "officially" VR ready.

 

Technically that's true since Oculus recommends 970/290. This is the first mobile GPU which meets or exceeds that.

 

Don't believe these videos were posted here earlier, quite interesting to watch and understand a bit more how Nvidia execs perceive enthusiast laptop buyers:

 

I'm watching the video with that guy talking, and he honestly has absolutely no idea what he's talking about for quite a few points.

First he says that voltage adjustment isn't part of their API (which is false, since we can do it once we mod the vBIOS).
Next he says that fan curve adjustments have been impossible since the fan cools everything else in the system not just the GPU (false, the fan responsible for the component speeds up or down depending on that component's temp when using Auto for clevo laptops which have more than one fan; and most likely the Alienwares did it too). He's even using a Clevo OC utility table! Has he never used one before?
He also says 6GHz memory was impossible in notebooks before, except that almost every 780M was capable of doing it, and AMD chips can do it no problem.
He has a "list of firsts" for notebooks and in them is "unlocked mobile CPUs" which is a dead lie.
He also claims water cooling is a first, though I am certain there was an Alienware that did it in the past.
Fan control is not a first either.

I'm really sorry, I wish I was there to counter everything he said personally. I understand it's an interview but people are going to watch this and think it's all true because "nVidia said it".

 

Lol that made my day. Reminded me a Kirby in-house presentation.

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Yes it has been impossible to launch 1.5ghz vram because you then have to validate and ensure stability across all cards and machines where as 1.5ghz is the limit for a lot of systems.

He is basically validating what I have been saying and what I have encountered when modding them before.

 

So MSI is now selling their laptops with Skylake + GTX 980 (on the announced models), sans the GT80. Well, soon enough. Darn headline being misleading. Disregard post.

 

Yeah people are really going to have to be careful with the whole 980 vs 980m thing

 

Meaker, not really, just look for the model that is $1000+ more expensive

 

I get that the thing was called the 'GTX 980' as opposed to the 990M or something like that because Nvidia wanted to make the point of the card being almost identical to the desktop version, but I can already sense that it's going to cause so much confusion.

Many people already refer to the mobile GPUs without the 'M'. It was a bad move, IMO.

EDIT: WOW just saw the heat pipes on the P870DM. Really interested in seeing how well it can overclock that 980.

 

Even considering that point alone as being valid from a launch perspective, every other criticism I've made is correct with regards to what has been available in the past.

 

Shouldnt a desktop 980 be cheaper than a mobile 980m? mobile is more expensive. just like a 4790k desktop cpu is way cheaper than a 4940mx cpu. any 15 inch laptop options with the 980?

what about 17 inch 4k displays that arent the asus?

 

Stop, you're making sense that doesn't translate into wanton profits for nVidia and OEMs.

 

They aren't *literally* just taking the coolers off of 980s and shoving them into laptops. There is still some modification involved that makes the thing suitable for a laptop, even though the chip and its specs are pretty much identical.

Oh, and what @D2 Ultima said.

 

They are cherry picked silicon so that is why they are more expensive. They are the cream of the crop to be able to maintain TDP at lower voltage. Not that it justifies the likely twice the price tag of a desktop CPU, ut it's not actually the same thing.

 

THAT will be the day!!!

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Actually, since most of the mobile 980s have TDPs of 180W-200W, they aren't binning for ****.

 

true dat, they said it themselves, albeit with some ambivalent wording: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9649/nvidia-gtx-980-in-notebooks

"When discussing the new initiative, NVIDIA was very quick to point that they are not binning chips to put in the notebook either, although the GPUs are put through extra verification to ensure that they meet higher requirements for performance and efficiency to ensure there will be enough headroom for use in a notebook, as well as some extra for overclocking."

 

Yeah, but I read another article (will link if I can find it) that said they were choosing the "premium silicon" for these chips. And from that anandtech article "put through extra verification" sounds like binning without physically picking chips beforehand but afterwards. In any case I'm surprised they didn't say they were binning so that they'd have a reason to justify the price.

 

Even if they claimed binning, the fact is the cards are about 180W-200W, far higher than the desktop chips' rated TDPs. So if they were binned, they didn't do a very good job.

 

i dont think the cards themselves use up that tdp envelope, i rather think that the 180/200w specced tdp values in the two clevo dm models rather just give u a pointer of how much u can overclock these beasts before the power goes out... i.e. number of installed power phases

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Meh, We've managed more than that already though =D.

That being said, the 180W ones are clocked worse than the "200W" ones out of the box; if they only dealt with overclockability, then we wouldn't have a difference, especially across two different products from Clevo, no?

I still feel there's almost no reason for mobile cards to be so expensive. ESPECIALLY since they don't sell with coolers.

 

well THAT is another point entirely, i was just speaking about "official" specs here

btw, do we even know the exact clocks of the 180 vs. the 200W models yet? i remember prema posting the 200W details, but not sure about the 180W...

 

I wonder if the 180W version just has less power phases. Since these things are actually being built for overclocking, the higher TDP is probably to accommodate expectations for overclocked scenarios. Chopping away power phases would easily drop the max TDP ceiling. Since the full desktop 980 is only 165W TDP, it seems like these are being rated by overclocked TDP.

 

I believe the reference desktop 980 has a 4+1 power phase configuration.

I think the 980 (200W) version has a 6+1 power phase configuration, so maybe the 180W version will have a 5+1 configuration and the standard MXM 120W 980 that MSI (and maybe Clevo?) will have a 4+1 configuration.

 

iirc the 200W 980 has a full 8 phases installed, whereas the 180W card lacks one, thus sporting 7 (according to Prema).

edit: indeed, the press releases always talk about 4-8 power phases, so the 200W TDP monster has to have 8 and the 180W TDP card 7. curious to see what the standard MXM boards will sport....hopefully not just 4! which would only be one more than the 980M already has...

and yes, i do agree with that notion that those cards are most probably rated at their "overclocking TDP" rather than their typical stock TDP, which should be less than 165W (= desktop TDP)

 

My bet is that the MXM boards will have 5Gbps VRAM... They're going to be a far cry from the Clevo monsters. Even the ASUS with its fancy water cooling has 5Gbps VRAM according to the Clevo vs ASUS comparison from the nVidia system info shots that surfaced when the announcement came from nVidia.

 

fine with me, 980M can already reach 6.8Gbps vRAM in my case and im sure some users have already hit 7 successfully

 

anyone know an actual release time to buy these?

 

Most likely late November.

I actually think the Clevo MXM 120W versions (if they do end up making these) might have 7Gbps ram. But who knows, 5Gbps definitely will consume less power, maybe they'll do an in between with 6Gbps memory lol

 

I hope so too.. They will be my Christmas present

Which I have to buy for myself BTW....

 

If they're targeting 120W TDP, there's no way I can see them using 7Gbps GDDR5 and sacrificing core speed.

 

late november? ewww. too close to pascal. my next laptop is easily going to be between 3,000-4,000 dollars and i dont want to be outclassed within only a few months. learned the hard way with the 880m and then 980m coming out 5 months later

 

dont confuse "release" with "availability"

edit: so, wanna see something hilarious? instead of concentrating on bringing the fury to mobile, AMD decides to focus on tonga based MXM cards for....wait for it....EMBEDDED SYSTEMS! *rofl*

https://translate.google.com/transl...-mit-voller-tonga-gpu-bei-95-watt/&edit-text=