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    GTX 980 launched for notebooks

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Sep 22, 2015.

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    So my question to you: why didn't you buy a Clevo? You quite literally bought everything BUT.

    They didn't throttle the CPU with the HQ models, and the ZM models had desktop chips with the most powerful cooling too.
     
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    Had to get it from newegg. I had 1500 in newegg gift cards. They didn't have any clevos
     
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    Oh.

    I don't know about newegg, but I know Xotic has listed their products specifically on Amazon so people could "buy it from amazon" in the past (with your custom config, of course), so if it ever happens again, see if they'll list it on newegg for you or something.
     
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    When I grab a Pascal notebook this time next year I'll make sure to look for a clevo with a desktop CPU. Since nvidia is cramming desktop GPUs into notebooks, I can't see why more notebook manufacturers wouldn't use socketed desktop CPUs, especially the insane water cooled Asus. Its too small of a niche for them to care to go the clevo route, but I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
     
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    Because the mobile chipsets are easier to work with, and most of the people who buy their products do so on name brand... unlike us, they don't care much if at all about "working CPUs" and assume "any old i7 can play any game".

    Also Clevo's been doing it for over 10 years now; it's not really a new endeavour. They understand that businesses and consumers value their modularity.
     
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    Has there been any info on whether the 980 not M will be HDMI 2.0? I'm guessing next month's HTC Vive/Steam VR will require it.
     
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    Yes it will be HDMI 2.0
     
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    I dont think that it can fit inside in 570wm or like p377sm-a.
    The pcb is wider.... :(
    We will see if the current 980 mxm 100w will be compatible....cross fingers....PREMAAAAAA :p :D
     
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    well, we already know that the 120W MXM card is not wider but rather LONGER than the standard MXM-B form factor....so ud only need a little bit of space beyond ur mxm slot to accomodate the downsized 980 version...
     
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    Nvidia's highly Technical video on how they fit the Desktop PC 980 into notebooks...
     
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    Where did you read this? Will these mxm cards fit in the Batman?

    Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk
     
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    LOL.

    They even used a P870DM. Sexy spawn laptop. Brb drooling
     
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    How big the performance difference is going to be between 200W and 120W versions?
     
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    It won't be huge, but the 200W version will overclock much better and probably run cooler as well.
     
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    Can one be put in Aleinware 18
     
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    I mean, I'm hesitating what to take. Pretty sure it's going to be a 980, but then it's overclocking it or getting an mxm version and adding the second one after...
    And any information about prices of MXM version? Sorry if it was already posted, I've read most posts but didn't see.
     
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    I will be getting two 980 (120W) versions. Overclock the 200W 980 as much as you want, you won't be able to make up for the extra 2048 cores from the second card. :p

    No idea on pricing yet.

    @5HT No it won't fit in the 18, it's longer than normal.
     
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    WAT
     
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    Yes, was thinking about this. Actually my logic is pretty simple - power is used for calculations, less power - less heat, less performance. I guess it's not a 1:1 ratio but it should be a pretty significant drop if you cut power of the same chip almost in half.

    I guess it was a single 200W vs 2x120W comparison - then it's true.
     
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    The 200W version will have the monster heatsink with 6 heatpipes. The 120W versions will probably use something similar to the 100W versions just a bit longer which is the triple pipe heatsink.


    The 200W version has two fans to cool one card as well.
     
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    Well, my bet is it's going to be right between 980m and 980 (200W\desktop) in terms of performance, like 10-20% better than 980m, since you can't do magic with physics laws. 980m has a TDP of 100W and is basically the same card as 980 with reduced number of cores etc. Now they don't cut core numbers so they will need to underclock the chip or the card will be unstable and faulty.
     
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    Even if you say that... that two-fans deal is only present in the P870DM. The 200W 980 WILL push out more heat on the whole, and for users who are modding it or adapting it for older systems, it'll be hotter for certain.
     
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    The card will retain a clock speed of at least 1064Mhz so it won't even be downclocked much. They're probably binned more and use 5Ghz memory instead of 7Ghz but we'll see.

    http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-980/specifications

    I was referring to it in the P870DM where it is officially supported.

    It will require some modding getting the 200w version in any other computer since it is not only longer but wider. Then you run into cooling issues, the heatsink needs to be wider and longer.

    I can see people modify the 120W version into current computers, but the 200w version would be hard to do.
     
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    I think i will sell my lapy.... :(
    I didnt see tha the 980 120w is longer.... :(
    Too bad
     
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    The 120W should be a standard MXM card... The 180W and 200W aren't.

    There is no reason you can't put a full GM204 on a standard MXM card.
     
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    Except, it's longer than the standard MXM size: http://forum.techinferno.com/clevo/11083-low-power-edition-mobile-gtx980.html

    Maybe we'll see another set of desktop 980 cards in standard MXM but the ones we've seen so far are the 200w(wider and longer) and the 120w (longer)
     
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    That's the 180W card. The regular MXM cards haven't been released yet.

    EDIT: Well I guess if Prema says that's the card, that's the card. He says that's the card for the P775DM and the GT80 but that makes no sense since the P775DM = 180W and the GT80 = 120W SLI. Guess we will have to see.
     
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    Maybe it's the same card, but they simply did not connect auxiliary power? :p
     
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    But there's zero need to have a bigger board for a 120W card. We already know it won't have 7Gbps GDDR5 and there's room for the power phases (just look at the open spots on the 980M). Plus MSI promised GPU upgrades in MXM format... Does the GT80 have the extra length to install two of those? I doubt it.
     
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    Apparently the GT80 version with 980 will be different but even so i think the current one has enough space for the extra lenght. I will check it out later.

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    Well if they don't release a standard MXM card then we know what to expect going forward from nVidia. No more backwards compatibility. Wonder how MSI is going to explain that to all of the people who bought a machine with the promise of GPU upgrades.
     
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    It's not standard. It's slightly "taller" and won't fit in machines like yours or mine, even if we could mod heatsinks to accomodate.
     
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    That's obviously by design to force obsolescence.
     
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    I actually think that this time it's necessary. It has an extra power connector on it and all the space seems to be used up correctly.

    Here:
    [​IMG]
     
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    You see why I'm skeptical about that being the card MSI will be using for SLI, right? A 120W card doesn't need an external power source OR that many power phases. I don't see it but I guess we will have to wait and see what MSI comes up with.
     
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    Counting the # of chokes it looks like 4+1 power phases just like the desktop 980
     
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  38. D2 Ultima

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    Well maybe it's to feed extra power for OCing? nVidia did say they're making this for *cough* enthusiasts *cough cough* (I'm allergic to crap I'm sorry) *cough cough wheeze*
    First of its kind in a mobile format, is it?
     
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    Believe me sir, MSI will be hearing from me and my ilk, if I can't upgrade to Pascal. That was a BIG part of my reasoning in going with the GT72, to own a machine where the manufacturer promised future support. To no longer be at the mercy of Prema's propensity for awesomeness, like we were/are in the Clevo forum.

    I'll whip up enough internet furor for a class action suit. We will burn them to the ground.
     
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    same here, bought the gt72 because its still using mxm and they make one of the big selling points the future upgrades
     
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    No, looking at Fermi MXM cards they have more phases than reference desktop cards. Kepler (except for Asus with its funky design) and Maxwell though are under-built compared to desktop.
     
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    You and what army?
     
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    oh, they did! wouldnt even have noticed that if u hadnt commented on it :D

    how in hell would any user try and adapt the 200W monster for anything other than MAYBE a P775DM? o_O no way in hell thats gonna happen in any other system officially incompatible with that card...

    oh cmon now, dont sell ur stuff every time anything "new" comes out its not even worth it to "sidegrade" to a 980 in your case, performance-wise :D

    just one: be able to install significantly more power phases than on the 980M to still keep it at bay compared to the 980 overclocking wise.

    i dont think theres a physical difference between the 200W and the 180W TDP versions, since according to prema the only difference between them is just one single power phase (8 vs. 7), thats it!

    dont forget: nvidia isnt the one whos designing and building the mxm boards, its the respective OEM/ODM ;) so theres no excuse from MSI whatsoever!

    ...which proves that this is neither the 200W (8 power phases), nor the 180W model (7 power phases). maybe its a 160W variant....? :D since there still could be a 4 power phase model put in between the 980M with 3 and this 980 with a total of 5 ;)

    the NBR army :D

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    I think you are right ;) :)
    I have the same perfomance with the 980.
    Well we see with the pascal how compatible it will be.... o_O
     
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    Without doing component analysis it's hard to say that.

    Excess phases waste power and it's better to have fewer higher quality phases than many cheap ones.
     
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    It makes me drool, I'd notice it anywhere. I want it bad.

    Please, we can't make this army agree single handedly that BGA is bad. How we gonna rise up against MSI?
     
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    980 card from the new Skylake GT72:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    I think after the msi 980s 120w beeing like that there is no hope to put it on our laptops...
    Oh well....
     
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    that is some weird-ass form factor o_O really hoping clevo is coming up with something more compatible. after all, each ODM has its own freedom of mxm design
    clevo, give us a 980 with 4 power phases and standard mxm form factor! :D

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    I thought this was it?

    [​IMG]
     
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