GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

Meaker is talking about the IGP's fast dedicated buffer..

 

true ALL CPUs with the Iris Pro have a 128mb eDRAM cache accessible by both the integrated GPU and the CPU, on the other hand I have never seen a noticeable improvements in benchmarks because of it, and I have heard that most video style RAMs are less efficient for CPU usage. Makes me kind of doubt it giving an advantage worth paying the enormous increase in price. Probably much better and cheaper to upgrade to a 2133mhz ram or such instead.

 

So exactly how much longer?
Some say by 11th Oct we shall have the maxwell equipped laptops for sale. But still no pre-order listings on any american stores.

 

I am confidant they will be available in 2 weeks. I am buying on black friday so I can wait but it would be nice to see official news.

 

Its really more a question of what kind of monitor you are using. Almost every game should hit 60+ FPS on any i7 processor, if it has a powerful enough GPU. So if you have a 60hz display then your CPU choice doesn't matter much (for gaming; for certain professions it may matter).

On the other hand
If you have a 120 or 144hz Display
And you have a GPU that can run games at well over 60 FPS (mostly 970m/980m in SLI for ultra settings)
then you may wish to look into the games you play and see if they are CPU intensive.

if you are in this situation you probably want a
i7 4810 (NOT 4850, 4860, 4870)
i7 49xx (Except for the 4950)

if you are going to have a 120+hz monitor and 980m SLI and are considering over-clocking you probably want to look at the i7-4940mx it is significantly more expensive though.

 

Console ports will be badly optimized.
Multiplat games will be badly optimized.

Its just the way it is and the way it will be. During the last year we have recieved several games that have crossed the 3GB VRAM usage barrier, the two games I quoted earlier that is coming in the coming months add to the number of games that love VRAM.

No patch have been issued for the games earlier, and I dont think you can expect it for the new ones either. Its about adapting and getting 6GB and 8GB cards if you can.
With DSR now becoming mainstream, 3GB might turn to 4+GB usage.

 

Bought a 120hz monitor 4 years ago for 3D and never going back. So definitely getting 120hz monitor. I understand that without 120hz refresh you get frame tear after 60FPS. I was prolly going to go with 4810. OC depends on if the temps will be good and low TDP to begin with. But the 56% increase in single and SLI 980m over 880m prolly will not need OC for a while. I know I am gonna play Crysis 3 which is cpu intensive but I think itll run well with new architecture. If I get a 4940 it will be 2 years down the road when they are discontinued and the price drops 80%.

True. 980M might be overkill but I at least want the extra pci slot for the future option. And previous posters talked about Watch Dogs optimization. There is a lot of things they should have done. If they optimized games then hardware would be less prevalent.

 

It should be noted however that some of these badly optimized games have fan made patches to fix the issues. For instance if you want your Skyrim to run using less vRAM you should download the fan made ultra HD textures (these are higher quality, higher resolution, and still use less vRAM ) same with some of these other games a fan often comes out within the couple weeks with an optimizing patch.

 

I found a GS60 with 970m on there, too... https://www.spectrumsuperstore.com/browse.ihtml?step=5&prodstoreid=12025&pid=1994363

If their prices are proportional to the prices on newegg.com and if the price between models is roughly proportional, then we should be seeing the GS60 with 970m and 3K at $1899, and (maybe) with a 970m and 1980x1020 at $1699!

 

The 900 desktop version was cheaper than kepler, maybe the same for mobile too?

 

Based on those numbers, if sure looks like it! Of course, I could be wildly wrong, these are just guesses based on patterns. But I'm hoping... I sure would love to get my hands on a 970m, with or without a 3k screen.

 

For the games that do support modding from the community, you do get lots of benefits like new textures, better resource management etc for sure. Its why Bethesda have been so open to it

But there are still many games with little fanbased activity and very little modding.

 

Well I have spoken to several people here in my country and Asus G751 with GTX 970M have an ETA on October 22nd if anyone wonders.

They expect G751JY (with 980M) to have about the same ETA.

I think shipments will start for MSI machines around October 10th here in Europe.

 

A game being open to modding fixing it is admirable... but it does not excuse poor coding. Period.

 

Agreed but its just the way it is.
I see some people bring up cute advice like "vote with your wallet" for the games that are raw ports from consoles, but 99% give a huge crap about the code and will buy the games regardless. So you will only sit there like a sour apple, without the game.
Complaining about it is useless.

With both PS4 and XB1 consoles being x86 this time and easy to develop games to and the easiness to convert it to PC platform to greatly increase income, it will only get worse in the years to come.

 

Oh I know. I still won't support games that are awful like that, but it's not like i'll never play them. There will be sales. That's what us PC users get, right? =3.

That being said, the companies do need a slap in the face. If only the really big giants like IGN and PCGamer would call out bad ports and coding like it comes... hmm... wouldn't that be something now?

Anyway, yeah. That whole vote with your wallet thing doesn't ever work in practice. But it doesn't mean I need to toss $60 at a poorly coded, unoptimized game, nor do I need to tell people they should get it on PC. I do what I can with my worthless voice, and it's more than the same 99% of people can ever say they did. Nobody can give me wrong =D.

 

Well the, continue with your fight against the evil lazy game developers sir D2.
I though, cant wait to play The Evil Within and many more VRAM eating games

I do however feel sorry for those stuck with a 2GB card and cant afford to upgrade their GPU. I support you all, but it will be a very tough fight to get them to change route. Money is the reward and laziness and quick turnaround does unfortunately pay off. Unless you make a broken game like Battlefield 4 though. I wonder how many man-hours they spent trying to patch that sucker up

 

Never thought I'd feel like 4GB vRAM would be too little 1 year after buying this machine LOL. Looks like we all need free 980Ms from nVidia . Let's just tell em we got 880Ms and want replacements. Then we'll mod our vBIOSes to return that they're all 880Ms (you know, like what Gigabyte does for their tiny all-in-one PC with a 870M calling it a 760?) and then get the replacements :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

Hey guys, I'm new to this site.
Apparently, the aorus already produced a small amount of new system X7v3 and sent to certain gamer to test. This is an unconfirmed information.

 

Are you seriously comparing PPC vs. x86?

 

They would never do that. Have you forgotten #GamerGate already? The game "journalism" industry (they're nothing more than glorified bloggers lacking college degrees and ethics) is extremely corrupt. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, in a manner of speaking.

So fitting you should mention IGN. I'll just leave this here:

Spoiler

 

For no good reason. It makes no sense. Except for the absolute highest end $1000+ desktop video cards, all have 4GB or less vRAM. GTX 980 desktop would probably only have 3 if it were 384-bit instead of 256-bit.

I agree, but I played all the way through Wolfenstein at highest settings with my 860m 2GB no issues.

 

howwabout the GTX 950M, 960M, and probably 965M series? any news or estimated release dates or anything?

 

no, no, no, and no.

 

Very succinctly put

 

Exactly.

You couldn't use highest. You would not have been able to turn on the highest textures; I believe it would have been missing from your options menu (like how AMD cards don't see the CSAA options). Aside from that however, I do believe it ran beautifully at otherwise-max. From what I heard it performed great on all hardware, except needing that 3GB+ vRAM buffer for ultra textures.

 

LOL. And I didn't even bother looking at #GamerGate. I saw a whole lot of AWFUL things done by both sides before the hashtag went viral and I simply abstained from even giving it the time of day. I had enough problems with my power button and university to even begin to concern myself with them lol. As I said in my previous post, my voice is about as worthwhile as a smelly sock. If I was someone with some sort of sway online I'd make sure I knew what was going on to say the proper things people should do. But until then, I'm going to avoid everything that's so ugly =D.

 

Nvidia actually releasing 8GB 970+980 Next month for 50$ more, just like how they released 6GB 780
Their next chip should be 6GB/12GB i believe

Mobile 970m/980m getting 4GB/8GB options too from leaks

 

Spoiler

 

Where did you see that? So would it be better to wait for GT72s with the 8GB version of those cards?

 

GT72 come out with 8Gb Gpu, asus with the 4Gb version

 

Thanks!

 

$50 more? I find that hard to believe, they would be taking a cost hit then and video card makers never do that. I'm guessing more like $200 more.

 

Anyone know what specifications the Asus G751 will have?

 

Seeing as you already have the card which I'm looking to get until the 970m becomes affordable, could you list the games you play and their max playable setting?

Granted, I'm highjacking the thread a bit, but generally speaking, reviews of the 860m paired with the 2.4 Ghz i7 CPU are always exaggerated.


Might have already been said, but I do not expect any laptop with a 980m under 2k$.

 

D2 Ultima was right, Wolfenstein was highest selectable setting which was not Ultra, but high.

You can see a bunch of performance benchmarks with the i7 and 860m here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...clevo-w230ss-review-htwingnut.html#benchmarks

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/667818-prema-bios-mod-review.html

 

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What laptops are you looking at? Sager will most definitely have laptops with the 980m for less than $2k. One of their models offers a 880m for $1,570 on xotic pc. A leak that got taken down for a preorder of Asus g751 with a 980m had it for $1,930ish. Only laptops that were expensive were Msi. Some foreign retailers selling for over $3k with 970m. But that is also foreign company. Check out sager when the 900ms come out if you want a good deal.

 

What is the price of it, since i when i try to access the site, i get in the spot where there should be the price an unlimited loading picture

 

My first gaming laptop was from XoticPc, it was a Sager with a 7950GTX back then (and I have nothing but praises for them, awesome bunch there ) however, I am no longer living in the United States, and prices in Europe are waaaaay higher, not to mention the warranty issue.
My former XPS lasted a good 6.5 years and until a few days ago, I could even play Diablo 3 on high without issues, but with its timely demise, it was time to get back in the market.

So basically, up to 1500$ equivalent, and definitely not a US based configuration, since the import tax, delivery and warranty issues keep me worried.

However, it is something to consider, 1500$ for a 880m based laptop is more than an honest bargain.

Will keep an eye out... since the ROG series caught my eye especially due to the cooling system which is highly praised.

Many thanks, dude. Nice to see that people still take time to do an honest and complete presentation of their toys

 

Why even bother with 880m?
1500$ will get you 970m easily and it's faster/less heat and got ton of extra features duo maxwell plus better resale value if you ever decided to sell it.

 

Announce the freaking GPUs already so that I can buy a new notebook ffs. Three days without my alienware and Im starting to taste blood in my mouth.

Its that bad :/

 

Build a micro ATX with 970 SLI for 1000$ total now so you don't have to wait then get gs60 970m for 1500$ > A18 (A18 is a monster lol)

 

Yeah I feel for you, I at least still have my laptop but its at the end of its lifespan. (not to mention most games run better on an i7-4700 with NO discrete GPU)

any hope for an announcement on Oct 1 still or is itnear certain to be 7-11th?

 

I wonder if we will be able to buy next generation XMG C504 with GTX 970m (barebones Gigabyte P35W V3) on Oct 13. I assume the actual P35w v3 with the 970m will be available then as well. Seems that original XMG C504 customers were affected by some defects, and many had been waiting from July/August until September to receive fully repaired units. However what's interesting is that those affected customers seem to have been satisfied now, but now XMG has taken the C504 completely out of stock.... now the C504 is only available again to order on Oct 13...coincidence, or Maxwell?

Based on these links:

The order page for the C504 at MySN.de states that the C504 will be "Available again on October 13, 2014.... Update on XMG C504 is available in our collective thread" mySN.de | SCHENKER XMG | Schenker Technologies - XMG C504 CORE Gaming Notebook 39,6cm (15.6")

The thread it refers to, contains the following posts (both made by MySN staff) -translated from google translate (i dont understand german)

- "We must not betray NVIDIA because of our NDA. In the network can be found already scattered note or speculation..'
- "In any case GIGABYTE will not skip the next generation NVIDIA. There will be minimal changes to the cooling systems, the case of P34 and P35 remain the same. When to expect this new generation and the corresponding notebooks, we can not tell, unfortunately"
[Sammelthread] XMG C504 CORE Gaming Notebook

 

Its all but confirmed at this point that they are coming the first two weeks of October.

I've heard the 7th for Sager to refresh their lines which sounds about in line with the 7-11 rumors.

 

I don't know whether to grab a MSI GT72 as soon as it's released in the UK or hold back to see what else comes out of the woodwork. The latter is more sensible, but I always like to be the first in line for shiny new tech.

 

Sorry to hear that. If you are only getting one gpu then asus is something to consider but the cpu is soldered. Things to consider.

Well I assume it will be near the same for 980m. Prices on sager has stayed the same pretty much. I was just pointing out the "top" gpu is offered cheapest with sager. 880m is garbage but thats not why the price is good. Maxwell might be cheaper too.

 

The MSI GT72 does look like a nice all around package, and unless you go up to an SLI its hard to get much more power.

I am really hoping for someone to come out with a 25-35mm laptop that is quiet and cool running, with solid all around hardware though. Probably going to wait at least 1-2 weeks after the release and see if any OEMs come out with or announce something.

I really think manufacturers are missing the mark. They all seem to have only extremely loud and hot <20mm laptops, or barely portable >45mm laptops, and nothing good in between. Around 30mm you can start to use serious fans, and you might have to give up a optical drive and 2nd HDD compared to those >45mm thick ones, but you shouldn't have to cut nearly as much as those 16-20mm laptops do.

 

I don't mind, I mean, I used the X9000 from start to finish, and since that CPU managed my needs so far, a quad with 2 generations beyond will keep me happy for 3-5 years. From experience, the typical problem that arose was the GPU being too weak for newer games.

Sounds reasonable, but the main disadvantage with much work, no play is that you get out of loop with names, brands and configs, so my question is: what laptop would have this GPU and be available for 1500$?