GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

Gigabyte P34v2 is literally silent durning idle/browsing/word/video playback etc it has stealth fans mode, almost impossible to even hear the fans, during gaming it's not noticeable expect silent moments while gaming (like loading screens)
because it had maxwell GPU, Razer blade and GS60 etc were using very hot kepler gpu so the laptops were hot+the fans working much much harder and at higher speed trying to cool it

Gigabye P34gV3
MSI GS60
Asus 751 are an examples that should have 970m for around 1500$~
Lenovo and Sager likely to get you one for 1200$

Don't expect ton of specs though, just standard HD or small SSD and 8GB RAM, if you want 16GB SSD+HD expect it to cost more.

 

Is the p25x v2 hot and loud? It has a very good price!!!! i7 4810 and gtx880m for 1700! Looks pretty awesome for me

 

Stick with ASUS/MSI if you want thick/heavy/high end
Gigabyte P35GV3 will have 980m and it's super thin/light if you want gigabyte, p34gv3 will have 970m or the laptops i mentioned above (gs60/etc)

 

Only Sager lol. The cost to make everything is sooooo cheap the way it is sager is still making money. I would recommend something else but there is nothing worth the premium price on these other laptops. Asus is worth a look and money because it actually offers something over competitors. There is a $900 difference between sager and alienware laptops spec for spec on some configs. And i just found out alienware uses clevo parts and barebones to an extent. You are not getting anything more out of the premium prices. If you want a certain laptop then you want it. But spec for spec they have no advantage. Sager/clevo is good reardless. Htwingnut can attest to their quality because he has reviewed a lot of them. Sager sticks out of the competition more than any other with their price. But a lot of people pass them off for crap lol?! Sager is gonna have the cheapest prices bro. I know you said warranty is a problem but nowhere does sagers contract exclude warranty outside of us. I have read it and it says outside of the us you have to pay for shipping. Xotic pc says otherwise though so idk. Nothing is going to be as cheap as sager though.
Clevo is based in taiwan so check out to see if anyone near you sells clevo. Same thing as sager.

Ill check the gibabyte out. Thanks for the info.

 

First I am looking for preferably a 17.3"+ laptop, or minimum of 15.6" so its out the window right there. And second while the stealth fans look to be very good for making it usable if you need it for classes or such, the dB measures I can find for it are 29-34 dB for light use (very good), but 45-50 dB for heavy load like gaming (medium-loud). Also it has case temps that can reach 58 Celsius on the bottom probably only 50-55 unless stress testing, but still not cool, not crazy hot either, but.

Yeah got to admit that has better than I expected, now if it was just a 17" and a tad cooler and quieter it'd be a winner.

 

Thanks. You saved me the search.

 

Agree. Am after a 15" (or 14") laptop. Taken on board the good stuff on this thread about heat and capacity to deal with it. Now hoping for an MSI Goldilocks edition

 

Hello everyone.

After discussing and evaluating, decided to change the title until official announcements are made. Currently all announcements are speculation and the sources are merely pages of even more speculations.

We already have good leads and leaks, but for the time being, this is not official

 

Whoa, since when did you become a mod? Congrats on the promotion, man! :thumbsup:

 

Thanks! It's been just a week or so but I glad to help the community even more

 

It's the coolest running laptops within its class and with the lowest noise , it's a 14 inch laptop too with double the battery than msi 15 inch gs60
There is a 15inch version of it called P35 and 17inch is coming from leaks called p37
it doesn't reach 50DB durning gaming you proibably saw a benchmarking or something, the fans are loud at turbo mode (its available) but i never reach fans max speed ever durning video encoding/full load gaming because simply the card is running very cold and the fans doesn't run hot

It's not really speculation , in fact this is the only thread with official info, we have official charts from nvidia leaked, official stores that confirmed the laptops are coming at oct 7-11 and the official benchmarks to back them up with laptop name/gpu/its performance, it beats going through multiple threads that is many many months old going through hundreds of pages to see if anything legit got out

 

Nice to know hope they did as good on the upcoming 17" sometimes a company makes a larger 17" with the same CPU/GPU and somehow still makes it louder and hotter (boggles my mind).

Still kind of holding out hope on the Aorus x7v3 myself 970m should be lower TDP than the 860m Kepler in it, and since its lower on 2 GPUs the difference in temps will be magnified + a little under-volting could be pretty nice. Just hope they gave it a better screen it doesn't have a bad one but its only upper medium quality, not GOOD.


and he is right, original title was something like "Officially released" or such and all we have so far is solid but (un)official news

 

I know there are leaks and several sites and brands with dates etc, but nothing is official at this point. This does not mean that benchmarks or things like that will have any sudden changes, however there is no official stance on basically any vendor other than waiting for official release by nVidia themselves have yet to make the official announcement, which means most likely every single vendor is under NDA and will not confirm anything for now

As you said so yourself, we have leaks here, so this thread is for those unofficial leaks and discoveries I am sure we will have all the information and official statements pretty soon, going by the dates on different leaks.

I am not sure there will be a huge TDP difference between 860m and 970m, but 970m will definitely be a massive jump in performance as well as overall a better GPU, including temps. The Aorus is quite a nice laptop for slim profile and dual GPUs, even if the cooling system suffers a but from such form factor

 

Yeah no guarantees, 860m Kepler is 75w TDP, 970m will probably be between 60-75w TDP. Hoping its 60-65w that could really help the temps, if its 70-75w it still might be a decent laptop but I will probably look else where. Find out in another week or two.

 

It's kind of sad actually. Usually XoticPC, Mythlogic and at least Meaker would pop in and be all "mmm these GPUs are good... you'll love them. I can't say anything yet but you know... " or something. Now everyone's all mum about it ='(

 

Looking at the 750ti and 970 desktop GPUs gives a lot of information on the maxwell 2 arch vs maxwell 1.

 

Remind me to not sell my 750 Ti once I get my grubby fingers on the 970.

 

Could anyone post all charts and diagrams again, so you dont have to go through every page?

 

Charts for what? if you need GPU performance of the new GPUS look at last post in first page
870m
880m
970m
980m

 

Thanks Mods for finally changing title.

 

There was to supposedly to be an event mid-october about desktop 960, so, maybe we hear something about them on it.

 

GeForce GTX 970 | Specifications | GeForce
GeForce GTX 750 Ti | Specifications | GeForce

I feel that you are trying to give us a hint, but seeing that the tdp between the two cards you mentioned jumped from 60W to 145W I am not sure I like it . Any chance you could give us another hint, because I am hoping I am making a bad comparison. (Ex: 860m maxwell has a tdp of 45W and if that went up by about 2.4 times it would be around 108W). I am sure I am probably misunderstanding your hint, so if anyone can set me straight... Would be appreciated .

 

I'm simply pointing out performance per watt differences between two desktop chips is all.

 

no clue on his hint either, BUT

comparing : 750ti to 860m
CUDA Cores : 640 to 640
Clock speed : 1020-1085 to 1029-1097
Memory Size : 2 GB to 2 GB
Memory Clock: 5400 to 5000 mhz
Bus Width : 128 to 128-bit
TDP : 60w to 45w
So essentially the exact same specs but 3/4 the power

comparing : 970 to 980m
CUDA Cores : 1664 to 1664
Clock speed : 1050-1178 to 1033-?
Memory Size : 4 GB to 8 GB
Memory Clock: 7000 to 5000 mhz
Bus Width : 256 to 256-bit
TDP : 145w to ???

again fairly even (lower memory clock, but more memory) so assuming same ratio you get 109w TDP these are not truly very comparable though and it still could fall anywhere within the 80-110w range people have speculated on. I doubt it will actually be near 110w though I am still guessing 90-100w.

 

Performance/watt has increased on second generation maxwell. If both architectures had the same TDP and the same specs, GM2xx would provide more performance than GM1xx.

 

Maybe there has been too many leaks lately that they hardly have anything else to release or tease about haha Give them time, I am sure all resellers are dying to see the new models and gpus out!

No doubt, first gen maxwell as a very good experiment and 860m maxwell is a testament to how they can tune for same performance on even lower tdp. On my commnt though, I was referring to kepler 860m, which was a weird castrated high TDP GPU haha, that I am sure will fight TDP wise with 970m or around that level

Sometimes it may seem like we don't listen but keep in mind we do read the comments and suggestions. Some decisions take more time than others, but all community feedback is valuable, thanks HTWingNut!

Yep, I t does seem that way, and it is very exciting to have such a big performance increase for mobile units, while anticipating a huge monster for desktops

 

Im betting some reseller already have some units with GTX 980M right now and are stockpiling them for launch. Just a matter of days until we get someone with a machine doing the usual Furmark, Street Fighter gaming, Final Fantasy benchmark (sigh, those chinese people...), temperatures and such.

Im super curious to the temps vs the 880M actually. And of course performance. And overclocking!

 

Based on the 860m and 970/980 we can already make a pretty good estimate on over-clocking potential. 970m-980m will both probably be able to OC most chips by 150-250mhz depending on the laptops cooling potential, OC on the memory speed is far more questionable I guess. (unless of course you are planning some water-cooling laptop dock and increasing your power brick size maybe)

I'm actually more interested in how well they under-volt, we really have no clue on that as far as I know, and it could potentially make a big difference with them putting all these in the thinner laptops. If they made medium thickness laptops with good cooling I would care less, but its all either trying to imitate a macbook air, or a massive brick with little between. (complete list of gaming laptops from 24-37mm thick : MSI GE60, Acer Aspire v17 Nitro)

 

I thought it was interesting how the Gigabyte G1 GTX 980 consumed more power than the 780Ti under the same heavy overclock, and the 780Ti performed within 1-2 FPS every time.

I hope the issues with the 880M are not present in the 980M. That's my only concern.

 

With any luck I should have a lot of this answered in the next couple weeks.

 

could you post source?

if you look here:
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Review: Maxwell Mark 2
and here:
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Review

when overclocked the power consumption for 780 ti was 425 W vs. 371 W , fps was 69.1 and 70.2 respectively, sure the fps is near the same but the power consumption much lower, I was looking at the crysis 3 results

also test setup was the same:

AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Review
&
AnandTech | The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Review: Maxwell Mark 2

you sure the difference wasn't using different test setups ?

 

A linus video on his channel

 

Interesting , but he did mention that this might be due to MSI picking higher leaking 980 chips since the reference 980 still performed better across the board than the 780 ti while consuming less power. But in general the 980 does perform better

Who knows they could be getting their 980 chips for cheaper lol why recycle chips when you can still sell them lol

 

Looking forward to your reviews like always HT. They are top notch even against the typical reviews you find on Anandtech and notebookcheck.

 

Who knows he could have one right now , but he is under NDA. :/ I too look forward to his reviews

 

I expect us to reach 1300-1400MHz quite easily with GTX 980M but I was more interested in what it means for real world gains. Ive heard aome rumors around that GTX 980 on high core overclock isnt as insane fast as you would believe it to be based on the sick clocks.

Remember that effective memory bamdwidth on GTX 980M is 221GB/s due to Maxwell optimizations while GTX 880M is at 160GB/s, so we may not need to pverclock the vRAM that much this time

Undervolting is fun and interesting for sure, and something I might investigate myself.

 

Hmm was just looking at the Aorus again, and noticed we have the Aorus v1 with 2x 765m (60-65w TDP) and v2 with 2x 860m Kepler (75w TDP)

Assuming 970m is 60-80w TDP it can give a very good idea of possible temps and noise.

Aorus v1 =
Noise : 30-32dB (Wifi) or 46-51dB (Gaming)
Temperature : up to 49 Celsius bottom, 46 on top

Aorus v2=
Noise : 33-40dB (wifi) to 49-54 (gaming)
Temperature : up to 64 Celsius on bottom, 55 on top, GPU can hit 89 Celsius

So unless they change the cooling system, it will be noisy, but it might just be very warm, not HOT!!!

 

Look what I just got from Sager



Off to go play! =D

 

Hurry back with your preliminary results!! We will be waiting at our computer screens. You may be one of the first ones out there to be able to play with these cards without being under a NDA. Congrats and enjoy!!
Time to update your signature to 980 SLI!!

 

I smell someone getting in trouble, (probably a sager employee that forgot to get a signed NDA)

 

As long as we get the information we need about the cards who cares.
Just kidding .I hope no one gets in trouble.

 

No that's probably either photoshopped or a Prema trick (I remember prema and HTWingNut making a custom BIOS to return that he had SLI 780Ms when he only had 680Ms back in the day just to throw us for a loop XD)

 

you could take one 980m out after you play with it for a couple days and sell it on eBay for like 2000

 

I obviously can't disclose any details but nobody said I couldn't share an image showing their existence. Just can't comment on anything else.

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( ) why get our hopes up about any information lol jk enjoy it

I just want to know if we have a full gm204 or the cut down 970 one.......

 

Well since I don't even have a driver that works, I can't even test them. The driver doesn't recognize the cards lol.

PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_13D7&SUBSYS_03761558

 

I doubt it is the full GM204. AMD has no answer to this so it is much much more cost effective and easy for NVDIA to find GTX 970 cores that can scale from 145W to 100W than it is to find full GM204 units that can scale from 165W to 100W.
And best of all, once manufacturing reaches full swing, they can re-release next year's flagship mobile card as a full GM204 implementation.

 

That's probably true ... Meh , well I won't be upgrading till a 17 inch gets a 3K or 4K screen

 

Mod the inf?

 

just add that to the inf file?