GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

I'd sell my machine if I had options to sell that weren't high risk and dump the money into my desktop but for now, I'm not seeing myself having a way out of this machine.

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With any luck I should have the Clevo P650SE and SG one with 970m and other with 980m. Looks like they won't be available for a few more weeks, but as soon as I do I'll provide a comparison of performance, thermals, power, etc.

 

You should go for the SG model HT. Most likely it will be the CPU getting high temps in those thin notebooks, not the GPU. So go for the big boy

Or were you talking about reviews?

 

If the 970m was limited with 3GB VRAM i would it regradless of price since 3GB wont cut it specially for SLI
If the upgrade was 400$ max for both cards would do it too

I'd take 970M SLI 6GB>980M SLI 4GB

 

Reviews... although I may likely end up with one or the other.

 

Do you guys think thr G751 with the 970M will have big thermal problems?

 

Maybe try negotiating a complimentary upgrade to 970M SLI and then selling the machine? 4940MX + 970M SLI should fetch pretty good money even for a used machine.

 

What a luxury to be able to test them both and have the option to pich which one you want

Neither 980M nor 970M will be a problem for G751.
Asus know their cooling for the G-series

 

It seems pretty awesome, but the price will be higher than 1600€ with the 970M i guess, and its a lil bit too heavy :/
So whats the diff between the 771 and the 751?

 

Total overkill. Why didn't he just sit somewhere else to get the sun off his face instead of redirecting the entire ship? Definitely not the brightest bulb in the shed.

LOL you caved and you got a bigger case too. Was that so hard? :laugh:

 

This is the user who spent about a month trying many different pastes and modding his notebook until he ended up with the bright idea of purchasing a desktop you know. He takes a while to get the ideas kicked in :laugh:

 

I'm planning on trying to negotiate 970M SLI. If I can do that, I'll probably keep the machine. It's much less hassle than selling it. I don't have any seller history on eBay which means I could get scammed stupid easily there and I don't feel comfortable doing a cash exchange for 4 grand from Craigslist...

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lol somehow I knew you'd say that

Would've gotten a new case regardless since the old one was just far too cramped for my liking. Full tower my butt, more like full tower in physical size but mid tower in interior layout. Plus I grew tired of the lights on the 4th day and the case just started looking gaudy rofl. Should've listened to my gut and went with the Enthoo Primo. I had my eyes set on that until the lights on the Luxe blinded me. Oh well lesson learned: function over form every time.

The Gigabyte card is still a monstrosity either way, just less of an issue in the bigger case. The key was I needed to be convinced that sacrificing 2" of clearance was worth it. And then this thread came out. Then I found I could grab a pair for just $688 including shipping, and that made the decision easy.

ouch To be fair the mods were equal parts for profit as well as for fun. Nothing like the adrenaline rush that comes from taking a Dremel to your laptop XD j/k

Actually I'd been thinking about a desktop the 3rd month into my Clevo ownership. But I couldn't justify putting down another $3000 for a desktop when I just bought a $3500 laptop, so I held off on the idea. Now with these Maxwell cards released, I no longer had any reason to pour any more money into the laptop. I'll actually be giving this Clevo to my parents once the desktop is fully up and running and I get used to it.

Sometimes I do wonder whether I would've gotten the Clevo if I could go back in time, but that's moot now, And with all that being said, I learned a lot from this Clevo, and it slowly got me up to speed and to the point where I felt comfortable building a desktop after not having done so for 10 years. So ultimately I guess I don't regret this purchase.

 

Apparently you're a bit lucky having the shell you do. 120Hz panels appear to be out of production these days. No new Clevo has them and apparently Mythlogic said Clevo said they weren't going to continue them.

I think the future of laptop gaming is getting bleaker and bleaker... first all these integrated CPUs, now integrated flagship GPUs... then we got dumbed down on-purpose flagship mobile launches because they don't FEEL like releasing the best cards they can make now due to lack of any competition... then we got more locked-down BIOSes in the Alienwares and less choices when we make purchases. *sigh* if this trend continues I'll keep and upgrade this shell as long as I am physically able and my next machine WILL be a desktop.

 

Well, I'm hoping it will help everyone else decide too!

If anything I would think mobile gaming would get more popular as smaller, cooler, lighter, less power designs make their way into machines, it would mean less and less reason for a desktop.

Probably just another boneheaded move by the LCD makers who would rather build 4k screens than quality 1080p 120Hz ones.

 

Yeah, I really need a new portable computer (as in can travel carry-on with). I have been very unhappy with everything I see though its always 2 steps forward, 2-3 steps backward. Tempted to spend an extra couple thousand and buy everything piece meal and build a custom case/cooling solution. I was leaning towards Clevo because amongst other things they still had the 120hz options, but if thats off the table. . .

 

I'm sure there's still 120Hz panels floating around somewhere. Or maybe I could interest you in a 15.6" 720p 120Hz panel perhaps?

 

It's going to get more popular for sure... but popularity does NOT mean good. Look at CS:GO and BF4 (pre-uber fall patch at least). Popular like crazy... both broken as hell. But people love it because they don't know better and will refuse to know better. And sometimes, even those who DO know better still do it because they don't like anything else better. I rather proper options and freedom in my high end market than just everything getting cut out and smaller. There's a place for large and a place for small. If there comes a point where the larger offers no realistic benefit, then GREAT! I'll happily take smaller with great OCing and cleaning and accessibility and whatever. But I rather not be FORCED to grab a 60Hz 1080p model with integrated GPUs and if anything goes wrong I need to swap out the whole machine... especially for where I live. What happens when the old machines aren't made and I'm under warranty? Do I have to take newer, more-cut-down machines just because Joe Public is all the rage about thinner, smaller machines with decent power instead of advancing power on the whole for mobiles? It's also why I said I was unimpressed with the 980M only being 1536 cores. If it's so cool and so power efficient and all that... why not make it stronger? Nope, gotta shove it in thinner laptops! Let's not make a stronger flagship card for larger models and make a solid hybrid in a 970M and make the 960M what the 970M is currently, and then we can flesh out the entire lineup and make everyone happy... let's just cut down what the flagship is so more people think they have a stronger card in the mobile lineup and tout how we can shove a 980M in a thin/light model without many issues! Oh it'll be soldered to the board for low-profile coolers and the CPU will be too, but don't worry about that. Enjoy!

 

Its been said time and time again that nVidia would likely cater to the high performance thin and hot crowd so I'm not surprised by 980M at all.

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I like 'em thin and hot, don't hate.

 

Sadly yes. It's just simple economics, manufacturers will always cater to whoever makes up the largest market share, and it sure as hell ain't performance nuts like us lol.

In fact I've received a few comments regarding the bulk of my Clevo and how "that's like so 90s man". Makes me rage so hard every time but this is the reality we live in unfortunately. Anything that's thin and light and shiny will be revered regardless of whether it's a total pile of horse dung.

 

^At least nobody will ever jack it.

 

Clevo should consider putting "theft deterrent" into their list of features

 

Well if Clevo stops selling 120hz screens you should be able to buy the screen on ebay for a long time or on a website that specifically offers them. They are around ~$90. Easy to replace. It seems like you can buy old laptop screens brand new from certain vendors. If the new Clevo model does not offer it then I will buy it seperate. 120hz > 4K at the moment. 4K + 120hz in about 5 years will be epic. I cannot go back to an inferior refresh rate.

 

On that note, if someone could direct me to where I could buy said 120 Hz screen for a Clevo P377SM-A or give me the screen model, I'd be much abliged...

Actually just set an email to XoticPC to see if I can get the Sager NP9380-S (Clevo P370SM3) shell for the 120 Hz screen but have them put in the new cards when they become available

 

That's not the case. The model needs to support it, as the 120Hz models have a 50-pin connector and regular ones have a 40-pin connector, as far as I remember. You would be able to say... grab it and shove it in a P377SM-A, but you won't be able to do so for its successor if they didn't design it to be able to hold the 120Hz screens. The same goes for the 3D emitter. I could put my 120Hz in a P370SM-A but my P370SM3 has the 3D emitter slot and the SM-A does not, which means it cuts out that whole availability.

 

Yes you need an eDP connector on the mobo for 120Hz to work, because LVDS doesn't have enough bandwidth for 120Hz (yet?).

 

I know all of this. But it has not changed for Clevo models; been the same for a while. Just ask the vendor if it is compatible.

It doesn't look like we are getting new motherboards for the new models. Thats going to be a Broadwell change, maybe.

 

nope, LVDS supports 2000x1500 60hz max, which is not enough for 120hz on 1080p

to actually get 120hz you need a 4 lane eDP

 

Hello there!

I've been following this thread quite closely, since I'm an absolute laptop gamer

Can't wait to see the real-world benchs of new 900M series! Btw, I've read some interesting articles on upcoming AMD cards in Q1 2015 and according to the leaks they will feature 20nm process, plus some new HBM standard (instead of GDDR5). Considering how AMD sucks in laptop segment these years, I wonder if they have been preparing for something big and when will we see them implemented in mobile part? I will be changing my laptop (clevo 3610qm/7970M) in a year or so and would like to see some competition among those two and consequent price drops

AMD 20nm R9 390X Features HBM, 9X Faster Than GDDR5
Only AMD's Pirate Islands GPUs and Radeon R9 380X Will Debut on the 20nm Node Alleges Report

 

This is looking good.. especially because I already have dell pretty much guaranteeing me a 880m to 980m swap out for all my issues.

 

Oh? I thought it would take a while before Alienware does a refresh of it's systems to include the 980m....Right now, I'm considering getting an AW 17 with the 980m, i7-4910, and the 120 Hz screen.....But figured that wouldnt be possible till November. In which case, I'd probably just grab a msi GT72 since they're looking to have the new cards out the fastest in their systems.

 

Come on Alienware don't let us down rebuild your Alienware 18 real quick:

Put in the screen from that 20" panasonic tablet (20" 15:10 ratio 4K IPS measures 16.65"/11.1") should have room for 11mm bezels still. Make sure you give it bandwidth to handle 60+hz too.

Drop in a i7-4910MQ, or i7-4940MX and a 3x980m SLI (using 4 large fans w/ good heat sinks of course)

and don't skimp on the rest. Feel free to give us a 4-6k price tag I'll bite :thumbsup:

Yeah I know think I am going nuts watching all the new laptops turn out to be pathetic.

 

Sounds more like some kind of personality disorder to me! ;-) (Not really the type of people you want in the US Military!)

 

Now you know why I went ahead and built a desktop.

Though I'll admit it's also partly due to a desire to return to power desktops after a 10 year (!) hiatus. Last desktop was in 2004, then it was Sony Vaio --> Compaq Presario --> Toshiba Satellite --> Clevo P370SM. Pretty good journey thus far. Incidentally the now 9 year old Compaq with a pathetic single core AMD CPU still runs to this day.

 

IF the GM200 will come out in the end of 2014 - maybe it will be wise not to buy a 980m yet....
the FULL GM200 980m will look like the 780m to the 680m - same story with maxwell and kepler...

 

"The FULL GM200 980m " ? WTH are you talking about, the 980m is a new card based on the maxwell architecture, the Titan 2 is a desktop high end performance card based on maxwell too, do you think that because a new card will be anounced on desktop you'll have a notebook class GPU name titan2 M ? I'm still enjoying my titanZ mobile by the way .

 

what in the hell is this rambling mess

GM200 still only exists in rumors right now with no firm release date. Anything from Nov 2014 to March 2015 have been suggested. Then there's the fact that GM200 will simply be too big and run too hot for laptops to handle, so a mobile GM200 is unlikely to ever happen. And of course 680M to 780M wasn't even that much of a jump, so the analogy is completely off. Finally, we know nothing about GM200 at the moment, so claiming it will be an X to Y jump is just ridiculous.

 

Full GM204 seems to me a much more likely proposition than a full GM200 for next year's flagship GTX 1080M. Would still provide a substantial upgrade in line with 680M -> 780M.

I wonder how many ROP's/TMU's the GTX 980M will receive. If the shader core count is indeed 1536, the TMU count will logically be 96. I hope they keep the ROP count intact at 64. Possibly 48 though...

 

Lol u said it is a "rumor" then go on to stating that u have "facts" that it will be too big and run too hot. You should state that you think it will be too big and run too hot. And I agree it most likely will be too big and too hot for mobile.

But there's always a chance of a 20 nm Gm200. Which would make me happy . Very happy.

 

ROPs are still attached to the memory controllers in the gm204 chip.

 

So GT72 with the 6gb 970m listed in my country. All i want is an Asus G751, but they dont offer 6gb vram. So before i pull the trigger, i want to ask 1 last question: IS 3GB VRAM ENOUGH? Becuz hell i love the Asus design =(
.: MSI GT72 2QD 420XVN Dominator i7 4710HQ - 8GB - 1TB 7200rpm - VGA GTX 970M - Fill HD | Sản phẩm | LaptopNo1 :.

 

Yes, 3GB of vRAM is plenty, lol.

 

Then wth with the Shadow of Mordor? I know it's maybe badly optimized, but still, take up 6gb vram. And some future games may also do the same. Srsly it just gives me bad feeling if i buy the Asus

 

Mittelerde: Mordors Schatten Benchmarks - Notebookcheck.com Tests

 

Don't
You will have the raw GPU power to run almost any ps4 port easily but certain games you wont be able to run ultra duo the limited vram
Shadow of mordor used 5.6GB VRAm of my card on desktop
Anyone who suggests otherwise have no clue what is he talking about.

Only get it if you don't mind lowering certain settings on to reduce vram usage, it will only get worse from now on duo the vram of consoles getting a huge jump (from 256Vram on the PS3 up to PS4 6GB VRAM if it wants to use in theory) same thing with xbox one plus evil within require 4GB VRAM for ultra/optimal gameplay according to the developers which is getting released next week
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...d-have-4gb-of-vram-to-play-the-evil-within-pc
even after the complaints regrading high vram they still wants 4gb vram to experience the game as intended to them

"Last week we posted our recommended PC system specs for The Evil Within, and in turn, we received plenty of feedback," Bethesda explained via its official blog. " While we still recommend this benchmark to experience the game in all its gory glory, we also recognise the need to provide information on how you can play the game with a wider range of PCs.

"Minimum requirements for The Evil Within can now be found below. You won't be experiencing the game at 1080p and you'll likely need to turn off some features,

Aka old school, 1GB vram minimum 4GB recommended and will be used for ultra/high resolution

 

You can run ultra settings on 1GB VRAM card, like other games or even heavily moded skyrim on 1GB VRAM but you will get ton of annoying stutters/random minimum frame drops etc
My 780 run mordor with ton of extreme stutter unplayable with ultra settings, same with watch dogs since they pass the 3GB vram of the 780 sadly

 

Excellent! So we have either a 1536/64/96 config or a 1664/64/104 config. Hopefully the latter!

 

That game was touted at Game24. The guy was telling us about all the effort put into it when its just a crap port. Then he talked about the stupid "dynamic" system which devs have been using in like Skyrim to make the game last forever when its just lazy coding and crap. They just give you the same mission over and over but with different names, location, etc. When you saw one cave in Skyrim you have seen them all. Lazy turds. Almost 6gb of vram usage?

 

I wouldn't go THAT far. Compared to Watch Dogs or the way Far Cry 3 was cut down or how Assassin's Creed 3 and 4 ran? The game is golden. I think the vRAM usage is *WAY* too inflated, for sure, but otherwise I don't think it's THAT bad a port. More demanding than it needs to be is quite arguable, but it's not like "40fps on two Titans" bad.

Bash what needs to be bashed and praise what needs to be praised. That's my motto. Ironically it allows me to compliment the looks of girls who are hypocrites and such that I hate without stopping hating them... that little part just annoys me lol.