GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

Alienware looks like a rectangle brick because it is Alienware. Alienware = Brick and some people like it. Dunno why.

 

Because it's easier to dissipate heat in a larger chassis?

Because it's easier to self service?

Because it can hold more components?

I can think of plenty reasons.

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Some people like pickup trucks, some people SUV's, some people passenger cars, others minivans... wonderful to have choices isn't it?

 

Thanks a lot for the answer! Well, since I can't afford to wait until November/December, if someone had had the info that the cards & new laptops weren't going to be available until then, I'd have bought a GT70 right now and be done with it. But since you're sure the new laptops will be available for customers in October, I'll wait. Thanks!

 

I just need to buy a maxwell GT72!!!

 

You would have regretted that bigtime when 980M hit the market. It should run so much cooler than GTX 880M and will give you a lot more FPS in games. Not to mention that you can use DSR with the 980M which will give you amazing graphics in the games.

Also, buy the GT72 for god sakes. GT70 is garbage compared. You have dual fan vs GT70s 1 fan (GT72 run much cooler and quieter), you have 230W PSU vs GT70 180W PSU (great for overclocking), you have MUX which let you switch dGPU on and off with a button vs GT70s Optimus which may cause trouble.

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M - Notebookcheck.com Technik/FAQ

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M - Notebookcheck.com Technik/FAQ

going to drop those 2 here, nothing that we hadn't seen already

 

Why do folks think it will take months after NVidia's announcement, before manufacturers start releasing Maxwell featured notebooks? The announcement is for the public, not the partnering manufacturer's. NVidia's partner's have had the tech for some time now, and I imagine some are ready to go, but restricted by embargos & NDA's. I predict Maxwell will arrive sooner than most expect, and I think MSI will take the lead with a new round of the GT72. For those waiting to see GT72 980M benchmarks, keep an eye on the Owner's Lounge, because I think I will be posting these soon. (I did say SOON, didn't I?)

 

and another thing did anyone notice that the P650se fire strike result is botched?

that led me to take a look at the site and find and average of 7500 for the graphics score for the 970m model in that test

 

Soon, yes it will be soon. Like 3 weeks soon from all I know.

 

Interestingly Notebookcheck has listed both 980M and 970M as directx11 cards. Although they should be DirectX11.2 cards and should support advanced tesselation and so on.

However because Nvidia are proclaiming they will support DirectX12 (specifications not yet released) I'm hoping these maxwell2.0 mobile chips will support at least a small portion of directx12 features if not all eg. Conservative rasterization (as these chips have been released way before specification release)

We also know Microsoft previously announced DirectX12.0 to ship around 2015 holiday season. Makes perfect sense as a recent article talks about Windows 9 release date estimate to be Q4 2015 (preview build Q2 2015 with final consumer release by holiday 2015). Which basically means Directx12 will be bundled with Wondows 9. Also means Maxwell2.0 refresh should be fully Directx12 capable compared to these chips. (Note Directx12 is going to be a Console API as well)

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-prod...te-price-features-beta-uk-30-september-event/

 

Do you have to have windows 9 to have directx 12 or will they have a update to windows 7 also. Just curious.

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Don't think that DX12 will be on windows 7 because mainstream support for Windows 7 will end on 13 January 2015 ... Microsoft To Abandon Windows 7 Mainstream Support. Pressure Builds On Windows 9 - Forbes

 

I've heard some people speculate that the early 2015 release chips will be about 30% faster since they will unlock all the cores that are available for this microarchitecture. Why do you believe 2015 will be the exact same card, seems unlikely.

 

One word: ego.

 

I think people mainly seem to forget that Windows OSes have a lifespan of about 3 years. Windows XP was an anomaly and lasted about 5-6. People think 7 was rushed out fast to combat Vista, but it wasn't. That's just the general cycle. That's why Windows 8 came out "so fast" and why Windows 9 is coming out "so fast". Everyone wants a new cycle of holding onto windows 7 like XP had. I say we could move ahead.

Even though they got a lot of things wrong with Windows 8, there are RIDICULOUS amounts of under-the-hood improvements for that OS that make me flat out refuse to go back to 7, and if Windows 9 can keep/improve those improvements and drop the downsides? Well then we're going to be quite happy.

 

I know, but that's the point, I can't wait until November so I wanted to know asap if the laptops with the 9xxMs would be released earlier If I had known for sure they wouldn't be released until at least November, I'd have been forced to buy one with a 880M anyway, so I might as well have bought one now. Luckily, if you're not mistaken, that won't be the case and I'll buy my GT72 with a 970M or 980M in october ,-)

Well, something very important for me is the quality of the screen, and I've come across a couple of reviews which criticized the GT72 on that front, compared to (from what I read) typically a better display for the GT70.

 

I'll be using Windows 9 when it comes out. Not necessarily because I want to, but for the DirectX 12.0 support. Games should perform much better on Windows 9 than Windows 7.

 

You mean like reduced CPU performance, high VRAM usage, not being able to run some games games in a window w/o V-Sync or w/Adaptive V-Sync, etc.

 

before gtx 780m officialy announced rebord2003 did a review on it on his m18x r1 one month before...so no leaked reviews i mean game reviews yet for gtx 980m/970m

 

DX12 won't benefit any DX11 or prior game unless the devs patch in the DX12 API for those games as a renderer. Its main focus is also fixing the heavy reliance on single-thread performance for DX11 (which is being fixed anyway with DX11's improvements overall, as far as I know) and its ability to grant low level access, which reduces CPU overhead and usage... like what Mantle does. Except that your bonus is less the stronger the hardware you have, and again, it won't help anything not actually using DX12.

I mean, don't get me wrong. DX12 is going to be a great thing. There is no question. BUT, it's not the end-all API that people are assuming it is. I've seen people like pcgamer reporting how it's gonna help peoples' battery life for playing video games on laptops and stuff... or not needing as-good cooling for CPUs in mITX systems in tiny cases that are "all the rage" right now. Like... what?

Anyway, Win 8 should be able to use DX12. They said 11.2 was for Win 8 and 11.3 should be for Win 8 too. DX12 is being developed and tested right now, and has been for a while, so it has to be capable of being run on existing software, which means Win 8 should get it too. It's possible that Win 7 lacks some improvements that 8 has that disallows it from using DX11.2 and onward. Who knows. Either way, I hope Windows 9 is really good out of the box.

 

I'm aware of that, lol. That's why I'm still using Windows 7.

I've pre-ordered a bunch of games coming out next Fall. I'm sure they will have DX12 support.

 

yes of course! Not like better multimonitor support with taskbars on second screens or faster loading of programs/services etc, or nicer sound representation (using USB headsets, same software & settings across Win 7 & 8.1), etc, or with better monitor capture capabilities and such? No, those things didn't happen at all. I did mention they got a lot of things wrong.

 

Until i see a game come out and get reviewed by totalbiscuit I assume it's going to use 1.5GB of system RAM, take 3GB of vRAM and need three Titan Blacks to run at medium settings at 1080p 60fps while looking like it was made in 2008 and using DirectX 9. I trust no game devs.

 

Those things don't impact my gaming like the stuff I mentioned.

 

I really don't want to be forced to leave Windows 7. Hopefully MS allows users to make Windows 9 work completely in desktop mode like 7.

 

You do realize that there will always be third party apps that will allow you to this, they even have them with windows 8.

 

Yea I like windows 7 too. it's simple to understand and just works. Why do they always need to make things more complicated than they already are. Shouldn't things get easier to use and understand not more complicated.

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Yes, and I totally understand. But that doesn't mean that Win 8 had zero improvements, and I hope Win 9 has a best of both worlds scenario. I use my PC a lot for more than just gaming, and the things I mentioned benefit me a lot =D

 

I have a dell precision M6800 with 4800MQ cpu and Quadro K3100M

Would I be able to swap in a 980M GPU?

 

what about nvidia's support for DX11.2 and DX12 on first gen maxwells like gm107?

 

LOL, nevermind. Just looked up the prices of GTX 880M cards - I'll stick with my desktop for gaming.

 

MSI GS60v3 = Broadwell i7 + 970M Maxwell ... Me likey !!! Hopefully 970M won't be overheating like actual 870M ... I don't want to do undervolting or things like that, hopefully there will be temps under 85°C for 970M, i am not worried about Broadwell which seems to be running really cool even under heavy load :O even if it was tested just at Ultra Low Power models ...

Anyways It seems like nVidia is going to make these chips cheaper because of AMD who's attacking with prices really hard :O so hopefully the new devices won't be so expensive

PS: MSI GS60v2 = haswell + maxwell

 

Crap, now I have to wait for a new processor model, too!?

 

you mean the ones that should be out in Q1 2015?

 

Nothing interesting about Broadwell it's 5% faster (Most of the gain is with the gpu of broadwell not cpu itself) plus quad cores not coming this year.

 

My laptop's on its last legs right now, I'm hoping I can stretch it to mid October for the 970m. Pretty sure I won't be able to make it to 2015 for Broadwell.

That makes me feel a bit better about not waiting for it. So far as I know, the GS60's heat issues are from the GPU, not the CPU, so I should be ok with Haswell+Maxwell.

 

I just hope Alienware doesn't take too long to refresh their lineup. It's about time to change that 14 model, if they will actually stick with it.

 

The vast majority of the GS60's heat issues are from an absolutely terribly designed cooling system. Unless they fix that it will overheat no matter what you put in it. There is a reason other ultra-thin gaming laptops only hit 55-65 Celsius on the case, while the GS60 can hit 75-80 Celsius even using the same chips.

Luckily it would be easy for them to fix most of the problems with the cooling system, the question is do they bother to fix it or just assume enough of the buyers are chumps that don't care?

 

i hope they kill that thing, such a horrible design coupled with terrible aesthetic choices

 

Each to his own. I hate ford but it's still a vehicle and it works.
Or do you just mean the 14 by itself.
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just the 14"

I have somewhat mixed feelings of the 13" that was announced.

I have several gripes with the 14" its heavy, its large and it still throttles. Has terrible battery life, came with a not decent screen and the list goes on

 

An ideas as to what makes it so bad? I mean, obviously you can't argue with results... but it seems fairly standard - heat pipes over the chip that go into radiators in front of fans...

At this point, I'd have to feel like you're calling me a chump, because the other aspects of the GS60's design have led me to choose it over the P35 and Asus G551, not to mention the Razer and Aorus. I haven't found anything else with a highly portable form factor that offers similar gaming specs combined with the aluminum chassis and 1 year accidental damage warranty, at my price point of around $1800. I'm definitely open to suggestions, though...

 

none is thinking you are a chump

anyway, I don't know where he is coming from that the MSI cooling design for the GS60 is bad. However I can tell you that the P35w is just dreadful.

the chassis is bad, the cooling is on par with the GS series aka bad, the build quality is even worse than MSI along with the fit finish

One major problem that Im seeing coming from asus is that aside their terrible service and known terrible fit and finish, they are rebranding the N series which has poor cooling as the G series which from a few years has good cooling. The Gx500 is based on their new response to the RMBP, which is to say, bad battery life, shoddy cooling and terrible fit and finish

So anyway choose a good reseller that can let you return your product with a restocking fee and try as you might

one thing MSI service is bad.

 

Well, the screen I blame Alienware itself, since they had a 1080p display, but you had to pay extra for that (otherwise you will get that horrible display). For everything else, it's because it is an old model, isn't it ? I mean, you can't compete with a Razor/MbPro with a 5 years old model (which is blaming Alienware again, I suppose).
If they actually remodel it, since 900m should be cooler, they can make something thin, good looking and with a bunch of lights (not if I care about, but they are cool anyways ).

I'm pretty sure Alienware can make something decent with the 14, if they want to, and they should!

 

it was remodelled last year.

the 1st AW 14 came with the 555m in 2011, it was a throttling (expletive). It was named then m14x

r2 is the 650m, the now AW14 came in 2013 with the 765m and hasn't been updated.

FYI the blade came in 2013 with the 765m as well, it was launched in june (soft launch) and it was sold 2 weeks afterwards with several delays due to making as much as need

 

Wow, that's harsh Confirms my choice to go MSI over Gigabyte, though.

Fortunately, the only thing I'd need from MSI service is warranty claims. I'm savvy enough to deal with other issues on my own.

Thanks so much for the input!

 

thats what I meant for service, warranty claims

 

Interesting, I'd heard that MSI was pretty good about honoring claims, even if you'd broken the seal, so long as there was no obvious damage done by you.

 

MSI does global Warranty too i have no issues with them