GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

Please be wrong. I need a new laptop bad. I'm dire straights over here with laptops ...

 

I wouldn't expect anything until second week in October...

 

If nothing is announced until then, do you think retailers will immediately have laptops with the cards available for purchase? Or will there be another pretty long delay?

 

It will be available in some systems the same week NVIDIA announces them. CyberPowerPC has already started offering the GTX 970 & GTX 980, and they were announced yesterday. I think it's safe to say the turnaround for them being offered will be less than 48 hours, probably within 24 hours or "next business day" of the official announcement.

 

I've seen it where you can order right after the GPU's are announced, and they ship within a week. As long as nVidia provided the OEM's with the appropriate engineering samples to validate the designs soon enough, it should be possible.

 

Thanks for the answers guys. I still hope the cards are revealed today, but I can wait until mid-October if the laptops themselves are right behind

 

Should be noted that multiple Laptops have benchmarks on 3Dmark and such. So there are pre-release samples to many of the OEMs. Some like Asus G751, and MSI GT72 will probably be available almost as soon as the announcement. Others like Aorus x7 we have a slide showing it will have 970m SLI, but we do not yet have leaked benchmarks from it, so it may be ready immediately, or it could take a few weeks or longer for it to actually be ready.

 

Its getting revealed fully within 24hours, nvidia updating their websites, they were updating these 2 previously as someone posted

http://www.geforce.com/geforce-gtx-900m-ultra-light-gaming-laptops

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-980m

 

I'm very interested in seeing how this DSR (driver-level downsampling) actually works, in practice. If the Gaussian filter causes blur, nevermind it.

Hopefully it isn't something they keep out of the mobile driver. Please Nvidia, don't do it to us.

 

You can adjust the filter level 0->100% to any rate you want so there wont be anything to worry about regrading it, just having the feature that easy to enable is awesome even without the filter





imo seems superior than current methods and someone already reported in the thread that it's superior and he saw it first hand.
I'm getting a maxwell laptop soon but sux having GTX 780 TI on my desktop and not having this feature yet =/ not upgrading until maxwell titan/980 ti or so is out

 

Gotta have frosting on that cake you know. Get more people to buy the new 900 cards.
Once interest have settled a little bit, add support for older cards.

I tried downsampling through GeDoSaTo and loved it but boy did it wreck my GPUs. Demanding as hell, so 900M cards are undoubtly needed if you want to go for the high resolutions with DSR.
So getting support through Geforce drivers is good.

Here are some videos

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Its greatest use is for older games, i got hundreds of games on my steam account, some games already only use half of my 780 power while rendering at 4K+Max settings XD
Was able to use it for Dark souls too since the game has capped 60FPS too (after hack, itself was capped at 30 -.-;

 

Hey Cloudfire I have a question on that article saying the Asus G751 costing 1500 euros when the G750 retailed for 2000-2200. Where is all these savings coming from?

 

It has 8GB memory only and 1 5400RPM HD 0 SSD
The 16GB memory and 7200 RPMHD+SSD combo will cost more plus newer cards might be cheaper we don't know yet

 

This is good news of maxwell finally being introduced and broadwell\skylake mobile refresh coming out in the next 6 months. I can get a laptop with enough hp to handle decent gaming on a 3k screen.

 

Can we activate DSR on gtx 780m?...or will me available only on gtx 980m and 970m?

 

It will work on Kepler cards too.

 

Not for now though, currently only for 9xx until nvidia add it to kepler, they will take their time in order to sell more 9xx

 

NVIDIA, you disappoint me greatly. No official announcement of the 900M series. All that excitement built up and now we're still all waiting.

At least the leaked slides give something tasty to digest in the meantime...

 

I am too very disappointed with Nvidia for not announcing the 900M series for GPU but i am still doubting if the rumors are true becoz we cant trust the rumors 100% lets take an example sorry if its a little out of topic but just giving an example of apple as when we had the rumors of sapphire glass and the glass was also leaked and experimented on YouTube we almost got 99% sure that there is gonna be a sapphire glass but when the product launched there where no sapphire glass.

This kinda give me the feeling that there is a chance that Nvidia might not release until 2015 but i might be totally wrong too and some time rumors tend to be true as well .

 

I don't know where you guys are taking that Razer is slow in GPU adoption. Every time some new gen is launched they change it, there are models with less than 6 months of shelf life.

 

There is a big difference in SAYING you have the new gen GPU and being able to buy one,
there are several MONTHS in between with a company like razer.

But razer must use PCIe SSD, have atleast a 16gb ram option and lower their prices because it's starting to get ridiculous

 

From launch till people started receiving here its usually a month

 

Here are all notebooks which have uploaded the scores on 3DMark.com

Asus G751JY - GTX 980M
Asus GX500JMC - GTX 980M
Clevo P375SMA - GTX 970M SLI
Clevo P15SMA - GTX 970M
Clevo P370SM - GTX 980M
Gigabyte P35V3 - GTX 980M/970M
Gigabyte P34V3 - GTX 970M
MSI GS60 - GTX 970M

 

800 series never lasted long then. lasted half a year.

 

So everything points to the fact that we will be able to buy notebooks with 900m by October (?) .

 

if there were no delays, but there were every single time delays.
The announce it, 2 months later they 'release' it, 2 months later you can actually enjoy one in your living room

 

People will be using notebooks with GTX 970M/980M in October. Guaranteed

 

How can you guarantee that? XD

 

GTX 870m released mid March 2014 as well as most major OEM laptops with the tech, Razer 14 2014 was May 2014. Granted it isn't as late to the game as Aorus that just released the 870m in their X13 just a month ago. But 765m version was also quite late to the game.

In any case, I'm sure they'll do an update eventually.

 

Weren't there also some benchmarks from the MSI GT72?
also we got benchmarks at one point on 2x980m SLI was on a clevo but forget which one.

and no benchmarks on Aorus x7 yet but in a leaked then removed press slide from Nvidia it says
Asus g751 (980m)
MSI GT72 (980m)
Gigabyte {I think it was p35} (980m)
Aorus x7 (970m x2 SLI)
Clevo P150 (970m)

only gave names and cards in them though nothing on when they were launching.

 

Man, don't get me started on that 765M. I tried three times with chat reps over at Alienware to get some hard info on when they will refresh that aging ALW14 and they wouldn't tell me anything.

I will buy it if they offer 970M. Extra thickness = Better cooling! (right :?)

 

970m doesn't need extra thickness to cool it's a cool running gpu just like how gtx 860m maxwell is very easy to cool.
A14 is thick because it been ages since it got a redesign and has optical drive plus a screen that is used is old design again/thick

Space wasted on led and such too, they can make it much thinner/lighter if they have actually removed the drive/junk and added a second fan



You can nearly put 3 RB on top of each other to get a14 thickness

 

Hmm, true. Didn't know it only one fan.

P34/35 back to the top of my list!

 

Yeah being thicker does not guarantee great cooling, just makes it possible. Ultra thin laptops may someday be able to run cool, but not yet, or at least not with high performance CPU/GPU yet.

What it really comes down to is this lets say for instance you have a 17mm Razer Blade, a 21mm thick Aorus x7, and a 38mm fairly average thickness laptop. First from them all you get to remove 4-6mm to acount for screen thickness, then 1-2mm for the bottom of the case, then 2-4 mm for the keyboard, then 1mm each for the top and bottom of the fan case and gap between it and the fan blades. This means each of these laptops has lost 9-13mm of thickness that CANNOT be used for the fan.

Lets assume the 38mm loses 13mm and the other 2 only 9 mm.
Thus we end up with the Razer having at most 8mm thick fans,
the Aorus at most 12mm thick fans,
and the standard 38mm thick laptop having up to 25mm thick fans.

This can be offset somewhat in a few ways
Add more fans : unfortunately in ultra-thin laptops there seldom is room, most gaming ones have 2 at the cost of no optical or standard HDD but they have very limited space.
Add larger diameter fans : again unfortunately no space
Make fans spin faster : the commonly used method and it does help, but it is also why these laptops tend to be very loud.

The better method :
Make cooler running CPU and GPUs is great, and maxwell is a huge step, but its not really enough yet especially not with that burning Haswell CPU beside it.

Still just because a thicker laptop can have better cooling does not guarantee it will have better cooling.

 

My P34Gv2 is cooling Maxwell 860M 4GB very easily it never reach 70C durning gaming and Peeks at high 6 without using the fans at max speed, if i use turbo fan it peak at 62-63, both cpu/gpu never throttle and thats a 20mm laptop
Regrading adding more fans options they can lol.....

 

actually that picture mainly shows you don't know how to make a good cooling system.

First those heat-pipes have multiple evaporators in between the coolers, this is not smart.
Second sharper turns on heat-pipes reduce efficiency
Longer heat pipes are less efficient too
you also have some components not able to reach others effectively on the motherboard as far as circuitry.

I know it was a quick photoshop, but really you would probably only get 10-20% better cooling with your 4 fans than them with their 2 fans.

Be simpler and smarter to move some stuff and just make the 2 fans larger diameter and fix their broken heat-pipe setup. That could probably over double its cooling potential and be easier, cheaper to do, and still leave more space for other components.


Edit: actually looking closer at their original laptop cooling setup you could probably increase its cooling potential by over 100% WITHOUT even making the fans larger, lol its really badly designed. Compare it to say the cooling system on the Razer Blade, that one I think has similar size fans, but I bet it gets at least 70-100% better cooling.

 

Wouldn't it be wiser to wait a little after the release? I mean, all the mobile GPUs these days seem to have serious teething issues, how many early adopters got screwed over by the 880M?

 

Nvidia won't make that mistake again, especially since they'll likely end up having to foot the bill for 970M cards to replace all the defective 880M cards they sent the system builders.

This is a new architecture, 880M was squeezing the last drop out of the previous architecture. That makes a world of difference.

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Clevo P370SM-A (980m SLI/ 980m/ 970m SLI/ 970m ) Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P370SM-A
Clevo P150SM-A (980m/970m) Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P15SM-A/SM1-A
Clevo P170SM-A (980m/970m) Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4940MX CPU @ 3.10GHz,Notebook P17SM-A
Clevo P650SE (970m) Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7,Notebook P650SE A new slim 15 inch model by Clevo
Clevo P750ZM (970m) http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2701658 Not a laptop, it's a clevo all in one
Gigabyte P35V3 (980m) http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8680916
Gigabyte P37 (970m) http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8604241
Gigabyte P34V3 (970m) http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8682042
Asus GX500JMC - GTX 980M http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2760570

MSI GS60 - GTX 970M
MSI GT72 - GTX980M
Asus G751JY - GTX 980M
Aorus x7 (970m x2 SLI)

 

That was a 1min photoshop literally , i know how to make one, this picture just showing that a space is available since people keep saying there is no space aka why i mentioned this is only 14inch in the picture, you don't need 4 fans, you can easily add a third fan if you want.

Don't have the time to translate my idea into an actual photo but my main method is simple, increase the size of the fan for the CPU and add 2 fans to the GPU would be perfect (by adding new heatpipes from gpu directly to third fan)

 

That would be the safe and smart thing. Obviously not easily done when everyone is hanging out for some new hardware. Seems like Nvidia has everyone in this room by the short and curlies.

I'm sure we'll see them test the consumer waters in the future again some time.

 

Without a doubt they'll do it again... Just not right away.

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Cloudfire, did you see my PM? I'd really like to know if you're 100% sure about this, and if so if the information comes from reliable insider sources or something... I'm on the fence on waiting to buy a new laptop or not, and waiting until November/December is really not an option, so the only reason to wait would be an October release, and I'm desperately trying to find out if it's going to happen or not...

 

If you get 970m or 980m you will be good for a while for multiple reasons

1-You know it... rebrands are coming for a while Nvidia will milk Maxwell how they milked previous chips
2-AMD has nothing to counter with on mobile at all where watt/power really matters they are already far on desktops currently so pretty much nvidia has no pressure whatsoever to release better cards
3-Maxwell 2.0 already added the latest tech, Full Directx12 support (older cards can but not as good) HDMI 2.0 DP1.3 Supported for VR , (H.265) hardware encoding etc i can't think of an announced "important" tech in the last 2 years that didn't become standard on maxwell now

I expect Nvidia to
Rebrand at 2015 May (Basically same chips/different number)
20nm Maxwell 2016 March (30% faster only or so because it's the same microarchitecture)
Pascal 20nm 2016 Holiday / 2017 Q1 (Next Big Jump +50% over 20nm Maxwell)

 

Yeah those will get the GTX 970M and 980M but I haven`t found GT72 on 3Dmark.com.
Probably just the resellers and builders being careful of not uploading them to that database I think.

Good advice but Maxwell is Nvidia`s golden child now. They have undoubtly paid attention to that everything works like it should. GTX 880M was just dumping whatever was left in the bin to mobile suckers who thought it was gonna stay king until sometime next year.

Yup, you got that right. I don`t think Nvidia will lose any money on this anyway. You just bought left-overs that they hoped to sell anyway.

Good find. I`m unable to search for 4940MX CPUs for some reason at 3dmark.

Saw it just now. Yes I am very certain about this. Why are you sceptical to waiting btw? Just wait a week or two and you will have options out there. But like HTWingNut and the rest are debating, there may be some OEMs that havent updated their notebooks. Alienware for example wasnt on the slides from Nvidia and they are nowhere to be found on 3Dmark. Not Razer or Aorus either.

I have spoken to several people who said that it will all go down in October

I hope you don`t mean that GTX 970M will be just as cool as GTX 860M Maxwell. Although 970M is Maxwell, it got 2x as many cores. TDP is not linary, so 2x the cores doesnt mean twice the TDP (45W * 2), so expect around 70W perhaps

 

Don't know if this is just rumor but notebookcheck says that the GTX980M will be announced the first of october: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

 

There is a Gigabyte P37? huh?
the 34 is 14inch the 35 is 15 inch
Gigabyte creating a new 17 Gaming laptop to compete with MSI G72 Asus G751 and Alienware 17 it seems? or maybe just an alternative to GS70
That's a good leak didn't see it before
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4710HQ,GIGABYTE P37

 

Hey, they finally catched up and added the GTX 970M and GTX 980M.

 

P650SE. Me likey. I hope they do it right...