GTX 980M / 970M Maxwell (Un)official news

Well its pretty much obvious but still :
"The original configuration of the GT72, with GTX870M/GTX880M is upgradable to the new, more powerful GTX970M or even GTX980M, depending on your territory. Newer GT72 models featuring the GTX970M/GTX980M in their turn will be upgradable to future graphics generations in 2015."

From : MSI Global GT72 2PE Dominator Pro

 

4k on a 14-15 inch laptop is a joke, getting 4K screen then increased DPI like hell defeat its purpose and cause issues/blur/etc, unless windows get redesign its a waste of time unless if you actually use 100% DPI and wear a telescope while using the laptop, a good 1080p display is Superior, problem is many 1080p screen are low quality screens and 3K-4K screens are usually high quality ones.

 

I would love a super wide screen laptop IPS display coupled with pascal & broadwell.

 

holy sh*t takes way too long went from october to feb. 4 years to get a new worthy laptop GPU.

 

I want a not too big laptop. (prefer 14 inch laptops. aorus x3 plus ain't bad either), If it is a very sexy laptop, 15 inch will do to.
An IPS display is a MUST for me. at least a 970M. i7 4710mq/hq is good. But prefer the 4810mq/hq since I do some cpu intensive tasks. Also some mmo's require good CPU juice.
Needs to have an optical audio out, or 3x 3.5mm jacks supporting 5.1 surround.

One hard drive bay will do. But would prefer an m.2/msata + 2,5" hard drive bay for a large hdd besides the SSD.
Keyboard must be back lit, bu tmany gaming laptops already have that. colors that change is a plus, also I really appreciate nice typing keybaords (personally don't like msi keyboards, though haven't tried the seelseries one on the msi).
One last thing, it needs to look good. After paying that much, i gotta show off the curves of the new laptop right? XD

VERY Excited. (now have 3 job interviews today and tomorrow (one of them is apple). hope one of them will get me and I can start saving XD)

 

Laptops with 860m maxwell were released in march, there are upcoming laptops in oct with 860m announced (Alienware 13 and asus laptops) there are always few who are late to the party, OCT 11 you will be able to buy 970m/980m laptops Asus G751 and GS60 are confirmed so far (along with p34gv2 gigabyte) razer blade and g72 are unknown and no leaked preorders or even benchmarks

 

lol inaccurate as hell. 2015 my behind.
If only I could tell you, but rest assured that the GT72 models will be one of the first noyebooks launching with GTX 980M

 

GeForce GTX 970M vs 860M

 

These performance numbers are great, but what about heat generation?

 

Here is the european price for the GT72 machine btw. There is like $500 between them and they have same specs except GPU.

GT72 with GTX 970M

GT72 with GTX 980M

 

Cloud is pricing looking the same as the 880m's? or are the 980m's gonna be more expensive?

just got the email today to say that my laptop will be replaced but they cant comfirm specs due to NDA. nor can they disclose a date.

4 months and still no laptop.. at least i will get the new 900 series!

 

Right on! Unless Windows 9 is a bingo bango home run with UI scaling, higher res screens make little to no sense. The laptops out there now with 3k and 4k screens are a mess when it comes to scaling UI and not really a fault of the hardware, just Windows UI scaling sucks. For now 1080p on a laptop is more than sufficient. I agree a high quality, fast response, 120Hz 1080p is very much preferred for a gaming laptop.

 

Looks to cost about the same as GT72 with 880M in Europe I think.
Have you been 4 months without a working notebook??

 

Hm, I was hoping to see a GT72 with the 970M (and possibly one with the 980M) below 2000€... Do you think that won't happen? And is it me or do these have a lot of RAM on the 970M/980M? Do you think the 980M will be able to make full use of its dedicated 16 GB of RAM?

From what Cloudfire was saying, differences between the 4710mq/hq and the 4810mq/hq are minimal on that front, no?

 

Notice it says "Certain markets" lol and as update option only too aka buy gt72 now you can actually upgrade the gpu at 2015 if you want, maybe 980m wont be outside laptops for an upgrade until 2015 or something too
Also links you added are not identical

12GB RAM VS 16GB RAM
970M VS 980M
AND difference is 450$ considering how these companies charge the 16gb ram cost 100$ so 980m costs 350$ over 970m unless they are charging a premier price extra

 

Yes! 1080p 120Hz 2-3ms IPS, make it happen!

 

day one i got the laptop and it was throttling.. that was 4 months ago. today I got confirmation they will give me a new laptop but cant say a date.. meh

 

4k screens are not a waste of time. Most Windows scaling is OK, only certain modern apps will not scale properly like Photoshop etc. Also, many older and some modern (and less graphically intensive) games will run at 4k on a 980m. There is an amazing back-catalogue of games which are crying out for 4k resolutions, like RTS and strategy games etc. For all other games, downscaling for 1080p will hardly degrade image quality. For Windows and document work however, you would likely notice the downscaling. Windows 9 is also almost with is and this has been designed with high-res displays in mind.

If you are planning on keeping a laptop for 2+ years then 4k makes sense, as new versions of apps will undoubtedly support it sooner rather than later.

 

Now you are just nitpicking. Ok it got 6GB more DDR3. $350-400 more. My point was that the GTX 970M will be a good deal cheaper than GTX 980M.

GTX 980M will be offered on ebay etc in October/November for sure. I`m not sure why MSI wrote 2015 on their page. Most likely to get suckers to buy their GT72 with 800M series.

Let me guess, was it GTX 880M? Was it with the GT70?
Poor people who have to suffer with using that 1 fan notebook with the 125W GTX 880M. Thats going beyond what the cooling system can do :/

Totally agree with you man. I`m sick of using these 1080p displays. Been stuck with them on notebooks for how long? 10 years? 3K/4K displays is something I need. You dont have to use native resolution either like you say. GT60 owners with 3K displays certainly didnt have any issues going down in resolution and it still looked good to them.
People being satisfied with 1080p is the reason why we are still stuck on this resolution :/

Yeah, Windows Thresshold or Windows 9 have been said to get a proper scaling with high res in mind. I`ve read that too. I wont touch Windows 8 anyway, so Windows 7 and Windows 9 will do the job just fine.

 

Clevo with 880m SLI cloud.. at least i will never have them again!

 

Upgradable MXM design

" Newer GT72 models featuring the GTX970M/GTX980M in their turn will be upgradable to future graphics generations in 2015."

When Msi wrote about 2015, they don't talk about the GTX980M but about its successor ...

 

nah not picking, i was just pointing out that upgrade to 980m wont be that expensive too, you mentioned 500$ when looking at specs/price its more like 350$

And i imagine those who wants 4k in a laptop have actually never seen one in action, old games have hud issues and can't read menus/subtitles/etc its not matter of power to render it or not, windows on 4k 14inch sucks period and people don't really get it do they? if you get 4k then use higher DPI you basically did nearly NOTHING and good luck with programs that have issues with dpi etc the tech is simply not there why cause yourself a headache and you wont be able to run most games at 4k/60fps/ultra so less eye candy too.

4k on 14-15inch is simply a waste of money and a cause of headache and people with 1080p screens will run their better and looks better, i'll take 1080p/ultra/AA/solid 60fpsd/no huds+test issues over 4K/MEDIUM/no AA 30fps

 

Why not just run the game at 1080p then?

 

I'm with you on 4k, but I have to say I am growing to really like 3k. I've gone through 4 laptops with 4k screens and they all annoyed me with the scaling issues. I've been pretty content with the 3k GS60 though. I think that's possibly the sweet spot, otherwise 2560x1440(which every manufacturer seems to have skipped for some stupid reason). The only thing that's been a nuisance is chatting in steam when playing at native res. Otherwise games themselves look incredible though and the day to day scaling is pretty much taken care of for me. The 870M does a pretty decent job gaming at 3k too, where it utterly failed at 4k. I'm excited to see how the 970M can do.

I would also like to see 120Hz as well, but on a 1440p panel. They should at least give us some feasible options other than just 4k and FHD. I could settle for a 120Hz FHD panel for sure - it just better be nice quality other than the crap I've been seeing lately(I'm talking to you, Y50...)

 

hey guys, if it wasnt clear already is 980m around 14% slower than desktop 970. now that is impressive! imagine that beast overclocked :O

source: Geforce GTXÂ980M fÃ¥r 2Â048ÂCUDA-kärnor och 8ÂGB GDDR5-minne - Bärbara datorer - SweClockers.com (swedish)

 

What the hell?

Those specs are wrong.

GTX 980M with 2048 cores @ 1100MHz would beat GTX 970 with 1664 cores @ 1150MHz but GTX 980M score 10% below GTX 970 in 3DMark11 and Firestrike.

 

Why get 4k screen to begin with
For windows it sux no question askeed, you will increase dpi therefore removing the advantage of your 4k resolution, its simple math really
For gaming hud issues+menus+text and some games don't even run at 4k to begin with, these issues are effecting monitors at much bigger sizes, the idea of 4k at 14 inch is laughable and i'm 100% sure those who wants it here never actually tried one for gaming first hand, running 1080p to 4k while its perfect 4:1 it wont be as good as 1:1 already proven (some will argue no it will look identical, use your time to educate yourself regrading the subject, many articles online and no it wont look as good)

4K is simply;y marketing gimmick on 14-15 inch laptops, its not usable on windows unless increase dpi a lot so killing its advantage, windows 9 hopefully fix it

 

Maybe because resolution downscaling results in terrible drop in picture quality?

 

Why don`t you ask GT60 owners with 3K display instead? I`ve spoken to several of them and they have no issues with running the displays at 1600p or below but higher than 1080p.

Its not a gimmick when it works.
Many of the 3K/4K displays are even IPS, so a ton better than the standard TN 1080p displays being used on 17 and 18" models

Nope, not if you go with the same ratio

 

I play Diablo 3 at 3k on my aorus x3+ and its awesome.

 

That's a myth as i mentioned above 4:1 (4k is 4x1080p) wont look as good as 1:1 1080p in 14inch (running native 4k looks way better though) but sacrifice hud/text/menu issues or the game not even running and a mix of massive lower performance

And 3k is not 4k , 4K is about twice the 3K resolution and 4 times the 1080p, the jump from 3k to 4k is nearly as big as the jump from 1080p to 3K i was simply talking about 4k not 3k, 4K has no place expect marketing gimmick and people who actually use one will hate it.

 

might be that 980m doesnt use the new stuff from nivida that has "30%" better preformance per core?

 

Actually, they might look around the same, which is surprising to me. I have been testing with 4K and if you look closely, you definitely can tell the drop in quality. But from normal sitting and gaming distance, it looks basically the same.

I can't argue with the DPI scaling of windows though. I have read that it definitely sucks for such high res.

In the end I am more interested in the fact that the new GPUs will sport HDMI 2.0, so I can use my external monitor and not the laptop screen.

 

I think they may be out of California, and those prices are all wrong. Anyhow, the specs appearing on various website are not supposed to be public, and since it's not coming from me, I don't feel bad noting that you missed a couple of Spectrum Superstore's listings:

https://www.spectrumsuperstore.com/browse.ihtml?step=5&prodstoreid=12025&pid=1994377

https://www.spectrumsuperstore.com/browse.ihtml?step=5&prodstoreid=12025&pid=1994373

BOO YAH! Somebody is gonna get SPANKED!

Now that those tidbits are out, folks can quit fretting about GT72 CPU, and start considering this:

Intel 4710HQ vs 4980HQ

 

What's this?! 4980HQ?!

 

Unless you SLI it wont offer much unless you really really wants that Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200 integrated gpu . I'm afraid the gpu will be the bottleneck, gpu will 100% bottleneck if going with 3k/4k screen too

 

LOL! Essentially the HQ version of an Extreme, with less cache, and not certified by Intel as an Extreme, LOL! (My humorous analogy, of course)

Also, you missed the storage spec...... 1TB SuperRAID 3.

 

Could you explain in simple terms what you're taking from this?

 

I have no experience with 4K displays but the 3K displays in GT60 does well in lower resolutions. I`m inclined to believe 4K doesnt look horrible either.

GM204 is GM204. GTX 980, GTX 970 and GTX 980M/970M are all based on the same chip with the same cores.
Its Sweclockers thats posting wrong specs

 

Nope, already said enough...... viewer discretion advised.

 

$4400? Yikes

That CPU though is a nice upgrade from 4710HQ in current GT72 SKUs. 4GHz will do good. But its another Iris Pro CPU, meaning it will cost a lot of money just for the CPU. Not sure what I think about it.

 

I would ignore the prices in those listings.

 

HQ isn't TDP unlocked though so it's nothing close to the MX. You won't see 4GHz most of the time because of heat. 4GHz is just there to make Intel be able to say "hey, it can hit 4GHz (on one core maybe 1% of the time before heat knocks it down to 3.6GHz)!"

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I meant is it supposed to be a nice update or is there not much of the difference between the two, like between the 4710HQ and the 4810HQ?

 

Two other links:

MSI GT72 Dominator Pro 2QE-259FR - Achat / vente pas cher sur SMi Distribution (980M)
MSI GT72 Dominator Pro 2QD-262FR - Achat / vente pas cher sur SMi Distribution (970M)

edit: and three others:

http://www.isp-shop.fr/msi-gt72-2qd-262fr-dominator-p-2099.html (970M)
http://www.isp-shop.fr/msi-gt72-2qe-259fr-dominator-pro-p-2098.html (980M)
http://www.isp-shop.fr/msi-gt72-2qe-258fr-dominator-pro-p-2097.html (980M)

 

4710HQ: 3.4GHz
4860HQ: 3.5GHz
4980HQ: 4.0GHz

 

I guess you missed the humor, and some folks have to suck the fun out of everything, LOL! Also, why don't we wait to see the benchmarks?

I linked the spec.... make of it, what you will.

 

So not much of a jump between the 4710HQ and the 4860HQ, but a sizeable jump in performance for the 4980HQ?

That's the thing, I'm incapable of making anything of it since I'm clueless about hardware

 

Yup. you got it. 4980HQ will be a noticable upgrade

 

When it doesn't throttle.

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