Goodbye nVidia marketshare in Laptop GPU's - NEW ATI 40nm chips announced!

Hey Guys, didn't see this posted anywhere yet and thought you should know:

ATI has today announced the new mobility 4830 and the mobility 4860 ATI chips!!

http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd4800/4860_index.html

Did someone say faster then a mobility 4850 on only a 128bit bus ??



goodbye 9600gt in supposed mainstream "performance" laptops!!!

Nice die shot:



VERY excited about this!

EDIT:

News Press Release: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~130418,00.html

Rick Bergman Blog (Senior VP & General Manager of AMD's Graphics Products Group): http://blogs.amd.com/play/archive/2009/03/03/compromise-free-mobile-computing.aspx

A few select snippets from the 2 new articles:

 

This is good news

I wonder if the 4830m will be MXM-II or not
i will get a serious boost if I can put that in my laptop

 

Even though the Mobility HD4860 has 128-bit memory, it will be faster than the desktop HD4850 which has 256-bit because it supports GDDR5 where the desktop supports GDDR3 only. The mobility will have around 65 GB/sec bandwidth where the desktop can get up to 58 GB/sec. AMD says that the mobility 4860 will outperform the desktop 4850 in 3dmark06 and it will be very close to the mobility 4870, but I guess we have to wait and see. I hope they are both MXM II and compatible with my laptop.

 

4860 with GDDR5 is calling my name son. I need one of those.

 

I'm with you on that kevin.
Hopefully one of those cards will be in 15'' lappies
I'm also intrested in modding ati drivers, seems like they have more to play with last I looked at them.

 

I'm afraid that its a bit closer to the higher end and therefore out of my budget.

 

I agree. I need one too son.

 

could this be the mobility version of the rv740? interesting.
edit: it is, the desktop version sits between the hd4830 and the hd4850.

 

All I can say is... Very nice die shot I wonder why they used a 2002 S?

 

Would love it if the die shrink leads to a single-card 4860x2 that could fit in a 16" notebook.

 

I wish some of these fit into MXM-II on 15"
I'm sure they would PWN the 9600 GT I currently have in mine

Finger crossed

And DoX may be modding ATI drivers???
Interesting

 

Wow, that's good news. ATI is really doing a good job there. Now if only AMD made better processors...

 

Looks like ATI has the hardware, now if only their driver support would also improve.

 

With DOX modding ATI drivers, who would need ATI's driver support?

You're right though, they should improve that too.

 

I wonder what the thermal footprint is like on these cards? Hopefully the power drawn is 35W or less, but then again, 640 stream processors is A LOT of computing power on one chip.

Any idea? Educated guesses?

 

Looks like MXM 3.0, that's not to say there won't be MXM-III/IV versions.

Image found at this flickr page via Businesswire.

 

These cards are based on the RV740.

 

Wow! Impressive job ATI!

 

640 shaders scoring more than 800 shaders on 4850? I couldn't help noticing there is really higher core clock on 4860 than 4850(650 MHz vs 500). Higher core clock helps out a lot on on these 4 series cards. And despite using 40 nm process, I suspect 4860 is near its max clock rating, and 128 bit memory is a bit of a bottle neck; imo these two card ought to be named 4810 and 4830, instead of messing with existing product naming.

Now they've decided to completely keep mobility and desktop model number in line, waiting a while for 4890 would probably make sense

Edit:

But then again offering 40nm this soon after desktop counter part is pretty impressive. Perhaps AMD is focusing on this maret seriously this time...

 

Well, it wouldn't make sense to call it a 4830 if it beats the 4850.

 

again, gddr5 provides decent bandwidth despite the limited memory bus.
i wonder what name with ati will give to the desktop part of rv740, like you said, ati tends to name desktop and mobility parts the same, but the core name 'rv740' doesn't suggest a x8xx name.

 

is this 4860 better than a 9800m gts?

 

It seems like it will be. When the notebooks with these cards are available, I'm all over them. I wasn't expecting 40nm notebook hardware to be around for another 6 months. GO ATI GO! Bring pain to nVidia. I want to see nVidia actually do something other than rename old cards.

Competition FTW

 

According to the floating point processing benchmarks from both sites, the 4860 (832 GFlops) is more powerful than both the 9800M GTX (420) and the GTX 280M (562), and the 4830 (512-768 GFlops) is more powerful than a 9800M GTX. It's quite incredible

ATI / AMD FTW!!

specs: http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd4800/4860_index.html

A few articles say the reason they're so fast is because they went to GDDR5 and increased the clock speeds but the 4830 is clocked relatively low and uses GDDR3 yet it still beasts the 9800M GTX on a 128-bit memory bus...how?

 

you can't really just compare flops to evaluate gpu power, a hd4850 has more gflops than a gtx280, but it's a good bit weaker. but i agree, hd4860 should be alot faster than a 9800m gts.

 

A few days ago, if you told me a 128 bit card can take-on 9800m series, I'd say your outta your mind. Seems the Ati guys really worked some magic, with the whole 4 series...

 

wonder what the clock speeds of the memory are.

 

This is VERY VERY GOOD. Don't get me wrong, I love my notebook and it's 9800GS 512 MB but before I noticed this lappy at it's sale price I had wanted an AMD machine with an ATi 3650. I still want to go back to AMD/ATi, especially when I build a desktop at some point. Competition is good, VERY good for us consumers. Also I can see ATi producing a new IGP if they're going to 40 nm as well. Can you say Radeon HD 4200 IGP with 80 stream processors?

 

I think some posters don't understand GDDR5.

GDDR3 effective = 2x Memory clock
GDDR5 effective = 4x Memory clock

256-bit HD 4850 GDDR3 @ 993 MHz = 1986 MHz effective (Desktop card)
256-bit HD 4870 GDDR5 @ 900 MHz = 3600 MHz effective (Desktop card)

That means that you can do 2 things with GDDR5:

-Get twice the memory bandwidth on the same bus (Performance cards go this route, and it's cheaper - See HD 4870)
-Get the same memory bandwidth on half the bus (High end / Mid-range / low end - see RV740 for mid-range, and HD 4870 for high end, manufacturing costs are much much less)

 

i guess people just got used to comparing memory buses.

why did they name it gddr5 though? shouldn't it be g qdr5, for quad data rate.

 

The naming scheme will not make sense if a certain laptop has the GDDR3 version. The GDDR3 4860 will be slower than the 4850. Bad idea there...

I would honestly call it the 5670.

 

he we go again with all the naming schemes o_0

 

a 4860 with gddr3 will be named a 4830 by definition, 4860 only comes with gddr5, so no worries here.

 

That would make sense then

 

By the way things are going, who knows maybe by 2012 we will have 12 inch laptops with Intergrated graphics with GDDR7 and be as fast as current 9800M GT's !!! God Bless

 

No, not if companies like intel keep trying to control the market. I don't doubt AMD will make a complete platform that has a low power CPU and a powerful GPU by then though.

The fact that it's using GDDR5 on a 128bit bus probably means that this card will take ALOT less power, so I'm sure we'll see this in thinner, cheaper notebooks. I wouldn't doubt that you'll see these in $699-$799 notebooks by the end of the year. And that isn't to mean that all notebooks with the card will be that cheap, but some brands will most likely have very cheap versions around that price point.

I just want to see one of these things in a 12" with a C2Q,

 

Technically it wouldn't be integrated then, just a low end dedicated.

 

My dream rig right now is:

- a single card 4860x2
- Lenovo Y650 chassis
- Dell Studio XPS 16" RGB 1920x1080 screen
- backlit chiclet keyboard
- QX9300
- an SSD
- and a secondary touchscreen display that replaces the touchpad

 

eh, might as well go crazy and say raid 0 intel 160GB ssd's

 

I sacrificed the second SSD to make room for the x2 GPU.

Honestly it's not a completely unrealistic setup....zero chance of it happening but not unrealistic.

More realistic would be AW using dual 4860s in the M17 since they're rumored to be having heat issues with the 4870s. I'd bet they score better than the imitation 4870s that are in the ASUS W90.

 

Wow this is amazing!... I was thinking of picking up a MSI GT725 just because it had the 4850; however, now I can wait for a 15" with a 4860 and it will prob be cheaper than the MSI GT725 and I won't hurt myself carrying around a 7 pound notebook this is great!

When are notebooks with the 4860 coming out?

Btw if this is the case of GDDR5 vs GDDR3. Doesn't that mean the HD 4870 is x2 better than HD 4850? However, that doesn't really seems to be the case....

 

WOW! Nvidia fanboys are hiding in the corner now

seriously i hope people actually start looking at ATI im tired of alot of the comments ive read about ATI from nvidia guys i bet there jumping the bandwagon right about now. I'm interested in hearing there opinion now, this is great news!

 

90% of the uninformed opinion about ATI on this site is not from the NVidia fanboys, it's from the uneducated consumer who has heard the NVidia fanboys and not kept up with the GPU developments since RV670 and especially RV700. You really have to follow the desktop GPU side closely to be able to have informed discourse on the mobility side.

 

Just wait and watch nVidia come out with something...
They are just never ever going to give up...

Im just hoping that im right... because having the 200 desktop series shrinked and mobilized would be... well... the second coming of performance like the 8800 days


ok now my fanboy side (never actually noticed it) is put away...

This is excellent news... but if this comes in an X2 flavour... and then crossfire... OUCH! AY PAPI!!! xD

 

They literally have nothing to come out with. It's not a matter of having an Ace up their sleeve, this GTX 280M is their Ace, and they have nothing more for at least another 2 or 3 quarters.

 

And all of the sudden... out of nowhere...

nVidia GTX 295m up to QUAD SLI
25nm
512 bit bus
2048 DDR5
256 stream processors
22W TDP

24,000 3DMark06



*Additional Specs:

-Future DX11 support

-Natural AI Support (Nano Midgets in CUDA Suits)

-Real Life Simulation Telekenesis PhysX (For RL SH*T In Your Pants Physics)
{I promise you this is moving into BETA testing next week}
{so im serious about the Midgets and Telekenesis}
(my mouse just got thrown at me after shattering 2 windows... Im telling you.. NOTHING beats RL physics)



Alpha Drivers Yield= Direct Feed To Eye Real Life Sync FPS Detection on REAL LIFE Settings in Crysis @ REM Sleep Stage Imagination Rendering (oh yeah, thats 8 simulatneous instances of Crysis too btw)

 

I thought the main idea of mobile cards was to put them into a portable laptop.

 

^^Yeah right Beatsiz, I'm guessing your avatar is talking about ATI hardware then?

First post has been updated with more info guys!

 

You might want to copy paste my post into your reply to replace my old one since ive edited it

And... I did say 22nm 22W TDP for identical cancellation (dont ask... some nVidia tech that just works)
So heat is no issue... MAYBE Quad SLI will be hard to fit in a 15incher though

 

Wow, this is interesting. Maybe ATI will actually be a major player in the performance graphics card area. I've been a bit less than positive about Nvidia's recent offerings, which are more like renamed previous cards. If we could see an ATI card in the NP8660, I wouldn't be against getting it when I buy my NP8660, depending on its performance.