Goodbye nVidia marketshare in Laptop GPU's - NEW ATI 40nm chips announced!

Exactly what I was thinking. I'm strongly looking at the MSI GT725, but because of it's size (I can carry it, I'm no wimp ) it just isn't as portable as I'd want it to be for university. If they would hurry up and bring out the 4850 for the M860TU, I'd almost 100% choose that over the MSI.

 

I don't know, you are right alot of the comments are from consumers that feel that ATI isn't good because of things people say, but i feel some people really try to bring down the ATI name, either way ive said it once and ill say it 100 times now is a great time to be a fan of notebooks!

 

I must say that the ati card in my laptop runs exceptionally cool. I couldnt be more pleased with it. Infact, my 1505 has an ati card in it as well and it runs ice cold too. My last couple computers with nvidia cards though have all run hot.

 

So you would (generalizing of course on your experience) say that Nvidia cards tend to run hotter than ATI? Interesting to be sure.

 

Actually my 9800gts runs hot as heck as well i dont need a heater when i use it my room, the funny thing is im not even joking

 

All this depends on the clocks and cooler being used.

 

lol this is stock speed i never overclocked my GPU despite the fact it gets insanely hot though it has never shut off/given me blue screen of death so thats alright though.

 

55-nm vs. 65-nm probably isn't helping Nvidia's heat any.

 

What would be really interesting is if they put the 4830 in a 14" laptop... omg. Portable gaming would reach a new level.

 

How much of a size difference in the card is there overall if they are able to reduce it 10nm?

 

I've just never had any luck with the ATI product lines. For the most part its not really a hardware issue but rather a driver issue. I know they have been working on it over the years but after you get burned a few times you get a bit standoffish. Nvidia may not be the fastest but I've always had pretty good luck with their hardware and drivers. Lets hope that ATI can put this old dead horse to rest and make the driver as good as their hardware.

 

The card size wouldn't shrink at all. Power consumption and heat go down though.

 

Yeah, I've also had that general sentiment. Hearing reports on it now being otherwise would increase my liking of ATI.

 

.....there is one on the......never mind You know that company that is part of the first 4 alphabets is pretty good

 

Please please PLEASE be released on the current MXM-II and MXM-III form factors.
Nvidia just jumped to the MXM-B design with their GTS 100M and GTX 200M releases.

 

Wait... are you talking about Asus or something? Do they have a 14.1" with a 4830? What do you mean by "first 4 alphabets?"

 

The 260M is apparently coming out in the M860TU, so there must be MXM-III/IV versions of some the new cards.

 

Yup Asus, but I thought it was the 4860 and the 4830 options for the new 14.1". Should be available Q2 2009.

I've been really impressed with Asus's new lineup, really putting themselves on the map with quite competitive pricing too.

 

dreaming of seeing it in MXM-II

 

^^^^^^ Yup

I'm wondering how easy it will be to get ahold of one of these cards by themselves

I mean ATI isn't likely to sell them separately right???

Anyhow, looking forward to more info on these cards

 

ASUS K (15" and 17") series laptops are going to have the HD 4860. I believe the HD 4830 will definitely have low enough thermal output to fit in a 14" chassis.

Apparently engadget doesn't know what's up with the card... their description "it is pretty far left on the drab-to-exciting scale"

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/04/asus-k-series-laptops-hands-on/

 

Yeah, I heard about the K series using the 4860 in a 15.6 inch display, but using a 4860 in a 15.6 1366x768 display is almost pointless. They should try to up the resolution of that screen to 1600x900 to truly exercise those cards.

 

It's believed to be slightly faster than the 4850 (reduced shaders but higher core clocks and GDDR5 on a 128-bit bus).

 

Yes possible 4830 CAN fit in a 14.1 body its just a matter of how soon......

 

let's just hope asus doesn't neuter the card with gddr3 like they did with the hd4870s in w90, i really have no idea why they did that.

 

My dream would be a 14.1 inch T-series thinkpad with quadcore, 1600x1200 IPS panel + backlit keyboard, and a Ati 4860... seems its not ever happening...

 

Asus K51AB and K50AB.
-LCD screen 15.6-inch HD LED Backlight (1366x768).
-AMD Puma platform (chip RS780 and SB700)
-ATI Mobility Radeon HD4860 with 1GB of memory GDDR5.
-4GB of DDR2 memory at 800MHz
-SATA hard disk up 320GB at 7200rpm

source
http://translate.google.com/transla...rce-102m-4874.html&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0

So now what do you guys think about those laptops? Those two are going to be the first laptops with that graphic card. How much do you guys think it will cost and do you guys think it is worth it?

Edit: sorry for the double post... However, it seems like people have a lack of interest for the other topic I created. Btw these laptops are kind of ugly...

 

why are those pennies silver

 

@RedNara

I'm glad they'll have true GDDR5 but skeptical of the puma platform. I bet they'll be pretty affordable & why does every1 think their ugly? At least they're not over the top like the majority of asus gaming laptops.

I found some benchmarks, "the new Radeon HD 4860 pulled in 9302 3DMarks." Between a 9800M GT and 9800M GTX, pretty impressive for a slim 15" profile. If they swap out Vista for XP I bet it'd score 200 points higher...aka you'd have a GTX 280M (11,700) http://www.dvhardware.net/article33774.html

 

DDR5..........Yummy.

 

Get them to release good Linux drivers for their dedicated GPUs around release date! Until I know I can do basic 3D rendering I am inclined to choose Nvidia even if I am buying inferior hardware.

 

Too bad they wasted the potential by pairing it with such a crappy screen resolution.

 

Asus K is looking nice, not only is it going to have the 4860 but it has a LED backlite screen, you do not see that on larger models often.

The screen resolution is low, but I guarentee a refresh or even at release there will be a model with a better screen (think M series). Now I can only hope it is not too glossy. It looks like what I will enjoy much more than my G50V. Though I really wanted the W90 due to the quad core.

So here is hoping for some kind of W90 and K series hybrid. Also the W90 looks beter IMO with the aluminum but its freaking 18.X" big.

 

Except the results were done with a Desktop Quad Core CPU, and we know how much that skews results.

I found it highly interesting that the 4850 scored 8XXX with a desktop quad core CPU, considering users here are scoring higher on a mobile dual core, no mention of resolution either.

 

I'm sorry but those tests were rubbish. It's obviously a vid meant to hype up the 4860, but less that 9k with the 4850? Please. Something was wrong there.

 

wow, is the Phenom X4 really that weak?

Anyways, if that was scaled to an Intel platform, a single 4860 could possibly hit 10k in 3d06; very impressive for a 128bit card (though GDDR5 is a huge part of it, lol)...

 

Or the tests that skewed.

 

Probably so too, cuz I don't think the Phenom X4 is that weak. If you take a look at the SM3.0 scores on both scores in the youtube video, they're in the mid 3k range, which is innacurate considering what the GT725 is scoring with no overclock at all...

 

I wonder if they chose the Puma platform for battery life reasons. While the AMD processors use slightly more power, the ATI chipsets should support switchable graphics and/or crossfire (not that the HD 3200 would add much to the already powerful HD 4860). Besides, AMD processors are good enough for most people, I still don't think they would be the bottleneck for most games.

 

Asus is really frustrating at times. Their machines have a great spec to value ratio, especially with regards to graphics cards, but their screens are mediocre to slightly above average, glossy to hell, and build quality are substantially below toughies like unibody MBP and E-series Dell Latitude/Precision. Their top-ends don't really fix the screen and body problems either; but just load on spec and in many cases weight.

 

Where have you ever seen a GTX 280M benchmark?

 

I wouldn't consider Apple to have great build quality. Apple and Sony charge a substantial premium, mostly for a great screen. Dell, Lenovo, and HP business lines are fairly well built (in general). Asus keeps cost down by giving consumers low cost, high spec machines at the sacrifice of mediocre screens; however, I find their build quality is fairly good for a consumer notebook. You can't expect it to be near a business line notebook. The glossy screens don't bother me at all, if it did, I would get an anti-glare cover from say www.buyviewguard.com. My issue is more the poor battery life and heavier-than-average weight.

 

From GPUCafe:

Amid the chaos related to the M97 announcement, AMD has slipped in an interesting bit of information yet to be acknowledged by the official specifications. In the product images from AMD's PR department, the Mobility Radeon 4860 MXM module is sporting 5GHz GDDR5 memory modules from Qimonda. The exact part number (IDGV1G-05A1F1C-50X) can be clearly seen in the image below. The last number 50x represents 5GB/sec per pin or 80GB/sec for a bus-width of 128-bit for the Mobility Radeon 4860. It is amusing that this could potentially mean that the M97 could have the highest memory bandwidth for any mGPU, comparitively the Geforce GTX 280M & the Mobility Radeon 4870 have a memory bandwidths of 60.8GB/sec and 56.8GB/sec respectively.​

 

Wow thats a huge improvement! It will be interesting to see how this all pans out an a few more months.

 

Are there any ATI partners known to use Qimonda to manufacture their video cards?

I mean we know ASUS don't. ;þ

 

5ghz? The desktop 4870 only has 3.6ghz GDDR5...

 

The Qimonda chips on the 4870 are manufacturer-specified to run up to 4 GHz. These are designed to run at 5 GHz. It doesn't mean the final version will, but still.

 

Could be due to the fact that Asians are used to low resolution screens. I live in Singapore and majority of the laptops sold are specially configured with lower resolution screens. It's pretty awful to see a 15" screen at 1280x800 resolution.

 

Yeah. That's the number one reason I won't consider an Asus. Its screen resolution is too low. The machines are great, but the screen ruins it all. I want a 1680x1050 on a 15-incher. Anything less is a rip-off.

 

... I don't even know where to start to comment on this one.