Gtx 580m?

Wait a week or two for Cayman to launch. Even if you don't want the AMD cards there's a good chance it will force Nvidia to lower the price some on the GTX 580.

 

That's not that bad. I wasn't looking at anything smaller than 1000 watts. I want to have some leeway to overclock. I'm seriously leaning towards the Thuban Hexcore mainly for bang for the buck. I's go i7 if I could afford it. I plan on using three SSDs in raid 5 as a boot partition. I already have 3 2tb HDs in a 4 bay rosewill server raid box although I'm running it it JBOD.

I'm going to stick with NVIDIA. My luck with ATI has been spotty.

 

Nvidia just released the 540m, a midrange card... but there's hope that other 5xxm cards will follow soon.

 

From my experience the GT330M was significantly hotter than my GT420M.

Back to the topic, if there is going to be a GTX 580M I strongly doubt it will be the full blown Fermi; most likely will be a renamed desktop GTX 460 part.

 

That's still a Fermi...

 

The GTX 460 is the GF104 everyone was talking about. A renamed GTX 460 is more or less what was meant by "full blown GF104." It's obviously impossible to stuff a GTX 580 into a laptop.

 

I'm talking purely mobile to mobile. A 460M holds it's own (trades blows) with a 5870, so I don't see AMD dominating. 80% of DX11 is again just a desktop score. Notebooks are more than 50% of PC sales these days, and that's where we are focused on in this forum.

As for the type of GF104 please refer to this:
NVIDIA 400M: DX11 Top to Bottom Solutions Now Available - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

You'll note that the 470M is based on a core that could potentially go to 384 cores (likely at a lower speed granted, but impressive nonetheless). Give that one more respin (Sep 10 to Jan 11 seems like enough time to me) and you have the makings of a 580M.

So I think a lot is coming. And I don't think a 6870 with 10% more ability than the 5870 is going to keep up. I don't think it will lose by much either and price will keep a 6870 "in the game" if you will. But that's what I'm calling a competitive situation, not one where either is dominating.

Joy is, no matter which you might prefer, both should be purchaseable in a few months or less

 

Good thing then there's a HD6970M with a 20% or 40% increase in SPU, and a doubled bus width that still costs less than the GF104 GPU to make...eh?

 

I agree with Phinagle. The fact of the matter is that the 470M is already pushing power limits, and the desktop chip it's based on performs below the desktop chip the 6900M cards will be based on, and knowing AMD it probably will scale and overclock better in notebooks too. This is especially the case if that TDP control function is enabled on them. The 6970M will take the lead unless NVidia implements some serious power-saving method that doesn't hurt performance.

 

6970M will drop a 15-20% deuce on the 470M.

I will bet on that statement.

 

In the end, it's all speculation, let's wait until we see some facts before we get too excited or disappointed.

 

Well, duh fred, but when you see a review of the desky 6850 showing only 12W higher consumption at load over the 5770, yet its performance is waaaay in another league, you can understand why people can get excited about mobile GPUs where it is ALL about performance per watt.

I agree with dropping-a-deuce... the only thing I wonder is whether AMD will "feel the need" to beat the 470M by that much. 10% will justify the marketing line of "fastest mobile GPU" and lower clocks have other economic advantages.

I think in 3 months NV's doom will being foreseen again, again.
6990 > 580 single
6900s > 460/560/570
6800M/6900Ms > 460M/470M
By ">" I mean overall a "better buy": superior in a balance of price/performance/power.

Separately, I'll be interested to see how much 470M parts drop in $$$ by...

 

History shows, it's unlikely that we'll see some serious price slashing. 10-15% is probably the max drop we can hope for. It's about 750$ at the moment.

 

lowest I've seen so far was 645$.

 

eBay? I meant retailers. It costs me more than 645$ to get it from distributors.

 

Yes, that was ebay, I forgot about the eurocom site, there you can pick it up for 640$ ^^ (in the upgrades section)

 

Then that's a steal

 

but shipping was like $70 for the 470m on the ebay page, so not really a steal. tried to sell mine for $600 but no one wanted it, hahaha

 

I would have bought it if I didn't track the thread about putting it in the M15x ^^ damn, I still think there's hope it will work with other drivers or maybe with another card... I wanna try it sooner or later.

 

the lack of official support for the card is what sucking right now, hopefully after the new year thing will change.

 

Honestly Phin, at the perf levels we have today, I think you can't really go "wrong" with any of the high end chips.

So let's see how things go. Should be only a month or two till we have all the chips on the table, so to speak.

And

That is QFT time because you should always look at ALL the choices and get the best price possible.

 

Yes, hopefully there will be a Dell / AW version...

 

the gtx 580 should be faster than the hd6970
http://www.shrani.si/f/1y/Q/1WFleUNx/f56cf3e96fab7866177d0748.jpg
but the hd6970 should better in terms of performance/power
Radeon HD 6970 has 250W PowerTune Maximum Power
An underclocked hd6950 in a laptop is even a possibility due to the low 140W TDP in gaming power mode
AMD HD 6950 works at 800MHz

 

Looks like a LegitReviews.com graph....specifically this one for the review they did on the ASUS Ares 4GB LE card.

Seems odd to me that they wouldn't make up a chart that compares it to the HD6800 cards and GTX 580 since they have all those scores already.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 GF110 Fermi Video Card Review - 3DMark Vantage - Legit Reviews



I'm going to lean towards faked until I see the results confirmed.

 

Erm... I would be very wary of believing fudzilla for anything. The guy thinks 6970 will be a harvested die because it's got less SPs than the 5870...

Even then what he claims is 140W in 'gaming power' mode... that's AMD's metric for average power draw while playing the average game. Furmark is another thing and is like 200W+.

No manufacturer will be brave enough to put a 75W 'gaming power' card in without a throttling mechanism, unless they charge so much to offset the kiddies melting their lappys doing OCed Furmark+Prime runs to see how big their e-wang is.

In any case the high-end 6 series laptop GPUs will be from Barts (the 6800s), not Cayman (6900s).

 

IMO it's called Fudzilla for a reason. "FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence public perception by disseminating negative and dubious/false information designed to undermine the credibility of their beliefs"

Fudzilla is one of those tech sites I still cannot fathom why it exists still or why people even go to their site.

 

Anybody knows where the information about the GTX 580M on Wikipedia comes from? Sure a 384 shader would be awesome, although 336 seem more realistic. Although it would make some sense: Have the GTX 580M with 384 shader and 100W and ridiculous pricing simply to have the strongest GPU (and some people always want to buy the best), and have the GTX 570M with 336 shaders as the actual option that most manufacturers will chose. In any case, both 384 and 336 shaders is a huge jump from 288 shaders, and the architecture is almost the same... It's also bad that everybody is juming on to the 1,5GB+GPU-memory-train as it increases price unnecessarily.

 

I would agree. But then to me Nvidia is 50% marketing. But it's not just on Nvidia, the whole memory bs was also encouraged by Nvidia's AIBs.

 

SemiAccurate :: Nvidia to launch GF119 at CES

That's the latest info on the 580M.

 

The biggest news from that, is GTX 580M being just 70W.

That definitively rules out an unlocked GF104.

 

If true, 70W is likely GPU only. The TDPs S|A lists for the 500 series mainstream parts match up with the TDP that their current 400 series counterparts are suspected of using for just the GPU.

 

By "GPU only", are you saying "not including the memory and MXM module"?

Or am I misunderstanding?

 

Yeah.

NVIDIA's GeForce 400M Mobile GPUs: 7 New Fermis Introduced - Page 3

 

At least if they do, then you will be able to compare them with AMD's since their figures are just the GPU core.

 

If that's GPU core only, we're talking close to 85W, minimum.

 

580m in a laptop sounds like a good way to sterlize yourself.

 

Another useless comment... majority of the time is spent on idle, and when it is stressed, heat is more dependent on the cooling capability of a notebook than the GPU itself.

 

Not without a standard for TDP.

Blog - What does TDP mean, Nvidia? | bit-tech.net

 

just a quick question sorry for reviving an old thread, why has the GTX 480M as normal and SLI been taken from the kobalt site? have they finally decided they didn't want their laptops to double up as microwaves?

 

It's because 470M SLI is faster and cheaper. The 480M was a mistake.

Also, new GPUs are on the horizon.

 

the 470M has better benchmarks than the 480M? im guessing the new GPUs will be released with the sandy bridge processors?

 

I really doubt we will see a new gpu so soon, the GTX480/470/460 was released less than 5 months ago, maybe we will see info about the GTX580, but not to be available right away, probably more around march or mid year. ATI gpu are suppose to come early though, so in case you want new.

 

The 500M series has already started showing up in notebooks.

NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M refreshes mobile graphics midrange (update: hands-on pics) -- Engadget

 

Are these actually new GPU's based on new GF110 Fermi architecture or are they just rebadges?

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Engadget answers that questions pretty quickly. Nothing to see here. Wasn't the 435 just a rebadge of the 3 series, which was a rebadge of the 2 series, which was a rebadge of the 9 series, which was a rebadge of the 8 series?

 

Second question first....400M are all new Fermi GPU. GT 435M was GF108.

500M will be rebadges/respins of 400M GPU but none of them should be based on GF110.

 

At best, you get 480Mv2. Since it's GF104 for mid range desktop and notebooks, maximum 384 shaders paired with 256-bit interface. At maybe 500mhz core clock. The real thing (GTX 560) is saddled up there at 820mhz. I want one of those, a P67, and Intel 2500k.

 

Besides, not like AMD isn't doing the same with half their line up: 6800M, 6500M, and 6300M series (rebadged 5800M, 5700M, and 5400M, respectively). Hopefully, we'll see more details with the high end 500M line up from nVidia soon.

 

Still no 580m yet, but Nvidia just announced the 485m as their fastest mobile card. See here: NVIDIA makes GeForce GT 500M family official, introduces GTX 485M as its fastest mobile GPU -- Engadget

 

Well I was right, except they called the card the 485M instead of 580M. 575mhz is kicking. A full GF104 is an impressive GPU for a notebook. It will cost more than a GTX 580 though.

Maybe 15% faster than the 480M. Sli would be as fast as the GTX 580.

Ties in well with Sandy Bridge on the way.

 

Google Translate of Notebookcheck's 485M review

Monster.

Might be as much as nearly two GTX 580s.