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    Gtx 580m?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Maxiiboii, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. svl7

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    Well... high end mobile GPUs have always been pretty expensive. No surprise here. The 480m is still about 800$...
     
    svl7, Jan 6, 2011
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    What I don't quite believe is this:

    " Performance wise, the card can be compared to Desktop GeForce GTX 560 Ti"

    That's some serious performance for a mobile card. The 485m is between a desktop GTX 450 and 460, so that would be a big step up, like 25-30%.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 24, 2011
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  4. Kevin

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    Well, the GTX 580M is a GTX 560 Ti, so it will all depend on how downclocked it is.
     
    Kevin, Jun 24, 2011
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    I really can't wait for it :) , if the there's rebadged version of msi gt780r with this GPU , i will so gonna get one myself
     
    caramel1995, Jun 24, 2011
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  6. Karamazovmm

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    I dont think MSI do high end gaming anymore, otherwise they just lost 2 chances of putting high end gpus in there
     
    Karamazovmm, Jun 24, 2011
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    So what performance increase are people guessing about 580M compared to 485M? The same as 460M -> 560M? Little more clocks and the same TDP? 10-15% increase?
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 24, 2011
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    Well i really hope for a nice and competitive price like the 6970m and not a absurd price tag like the 485m.
     
    hawk1410, Jun 24, 2011
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  9. Abula

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    I doubt it, if atm GTX485 is like 10% faster than 6970 and nvidia is charging a premium for that difference, i would expect similar pricing of the GTX580m since its going still be faster, even if nvidia manages to produce it cheaper.
     
    Abula, Jun 24, 2011
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    Man i would really like to go for a NVIDIA card but they just screw it up with their pricing.
     
    hawk1410, Jun 24, 2011
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  11. Kevin

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    ^You and me both. I love Nvidia's hardware.

    It will be exactly like the 460M -> 560M shift. A GF110 transition, which allows a slightly higher ceiling.
     
    Kevin, Jun 24, 2011
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  12. fantabulicius

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    I hope you are wrong. Well, 4 days until we find it out.


    I have 2 k dollars to spend once i go to the US in August ;D
    Guess which card I am aiming for.
     
    fantabulicius, Jun 24, 2011
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  13. Kevin

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    There's really no other desktop chip in reach of the mobile platform.

    The only step up from the 384 shader 560 Ti would be the 480 shader GTX 570. That requires way too much power, to fit within a 100W TDP.
     
    Kevin, Jun 24, 2011
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    Loftier heights have been reached, Kevin. We all know that the GPUs of the future are going to many times more powerful and hopefully many times more power efficient as well :)

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, Jun 24, 2011
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    Why can't the future be now already?

    I want a 22NM die gpu shrink already!!!!

    Power plus energy savings!!
     
    hotgatty, Jun 24, 2011
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  16. caramel1995

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    Forever we'll be thinking of future product because the technology won't stop improving , maybe in future you get a GPU with better efficiency in terms of energy saving but still we'll remain our "I-want-something-better-than-this" thought.
     
    caramel1995, Jun 24, 2011
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    Be happy, that kind of thinking keeps this industry afloat!

    Not only afloat, but thriving :)

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, Jun 24, 2011
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  18. Abula

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    We wont see this for a while, next shrink on GPUs is 28nm, probably in some cards on the next gen, maybe for the mobile market early next year or around ivy bridge.
     
    Abula, Jun 24, 2011
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    gpus always use halfnodes, so no 22nm
     
    Karamazovmm, Jun 25, 2011
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    65nm? Not always. They have simply used what TSMC has provided.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 25, 2011
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  21. Karamazovmm

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    aside the 65nm there were other nodes?
     
    Karamazovmm, Jun 25, 2011
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    The one before at 90nm? Also 40nm is a whole node (55nm was the half node). Mostly the intel 45nm and TSMC 40nm nodes will be very similar in scale. The overall nm of a node means little until you look into the technical documents and design guidelines.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jun 25, 2011
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  23. hotgatty

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    The 580m seems to be so close now....
    Can't wait to see some benchmarks with this beast.

    Especially with SLI.
     
    hotgatty, Jun 25, 2011
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    Well the 485m performed like a 560m (same shaders, ROPS, etc.), it was just underclocked.

    If the 580m is a 560gtx, then it has the same shaders and stuff as the 485m, just newer architecture and higher clock. Then I would expect nothing more than a similar 460m->560m boost, around ~10%.

    I wonder how it will compete with the 6990m
     
    KillerBunny, Jun 25, 2011
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  25. Karamazovmm

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    the 485m is a gtx 560
     
    Karamazovmm, Jun 26, 2011
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    I just don`t understand why they use the 6990 name when the mobile version will have 1 graphic core instead of 2?!
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 26, 2011
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  27. FXi

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    You may get increased performance or you may get reduced power and heat (since the 485M was already a beast in performance). Typically Nvidia goes for for increased performance, but just keep in mind that some % of each is possible this time around.
     
    FXi, Jun 26, 2011
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  28. Cloudfire

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    I think the whole idea of the GF104 -> GF114 is to get better power management for the cores so that you can increase frequency but at the same time stay at the same thermal output of the GPUs. Which is basicly what 460M -> 560M did.

    But you are right. Would be nice if they stayed at the same frequency as 485M and released a cooler running card with GF114. Interesting.
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 26, 2011
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  29. Mr_Mysterious

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    well for people with excellent cooling systems in laptops (like mine), we would be more concerned about getting faster speeds than cooler temperatures, especially since this is supposed the new flagship mobile card from NVIDIA.

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, Jun 26, 2011
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    They should have released both. One 485M v.2 for people looking for a cooler and quieter laptop and one 580M to boast as their flagship :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 26, 2011
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  31. Mr_Mysterious

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    YES! QFT :D

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, Jun 26, 2011
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    Would be nice but never happens.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 26, 2011
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    True....let me have my excitement, even if it's fake, Ebenezer :p

    Mr. Mysterious
     
    Mr_Mysterious, Jun 26, 2011
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  34. caramel1995

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    Ken just confirmed the myth that gtx 580m is coming out
     
    caramel1995, Jun 27, 2011
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    Who's Ken? Barbie's boyfriend? :p
     
    lozanogo, Jun 27, 2011
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    Ken from GentechPC ?
     
    little_one, Jun 27, 2011
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    Sorry, I don't know all the games of different tech sites. It'd be better if he could just have said gentechPC.

    Edit: also a link would've helped.
     
    lozanogo, Jun 27, 2011
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  38. Kevin

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    This is still assuming that the mythical 6990M actually exists.

    You're a little bit late. Days ago, we were told that the NDA is up tomorrow.
     
    Kevin, Jun 27, 2011
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    hawk1410, Jun 27, 2011
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    If it is released and already demo'd on a machine in SLI then it's probably a Sager. AW never releases updated chips on release day.
     
    FXi, Jun 27, 2011
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    hteng, Jun 27, 2011
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    ZOMG. Is the 570M new too? :D
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 27, 2011
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    Well the 570m is interesting, if it can perform as good as a 6970m then it will ne a really nice alternative as its price is closer to that of the 6970m(og going by the pricing of the 470m).
     
    hawk1410, Jun 27, 2011
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  44. Kevin

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    Well, hopefully the 570M's pricing starts at where the 470M's ended, because the latter launched at over $700.
     
    Kevin, Jun 28, 2011
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    can't wait :) , i'm going for my tertiary edu this october , do you think i can get one laptop with this gpu before that??
     
    caramel1995, Jun 28, 2011
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    If 570M is anywhere close to 6970M and have 85W TDP (as Kevin said earlier) and is priced reasonably, I would buy the Nvidia asap. :)
     
    Cloudfire, Jun 28, 2011
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    580m is available for configuration at Sager reseller sites now. +$595 option. For NP8150 485m is only +$295 now and NP8170 +$395 now. Why the $100 difference?

    So much for selling my NP8170 with 485m...
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 28, 2011
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    Uh, I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but I just got this email from Origin PC:

    [​IMG]
     
    RayDawg, Jun 28, 2011
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    All resellers have the 580m on their laptops. ETA early July.
     
    HTWingNut, Jun 28, 2011
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