Guild Wars 2

If you're actually grinding, like killing creatures over and over again for XP, you're doing it very wrong. There's no need to ever do that.

 

No, that would go against everything Arenanet has said previously. That's not what I'm trying to say, sorry if it wasn't clear.

The event grind feels different in terms of your not talking to NPC's but partaking in "live" events going on that you just jump into. You still need to gather materials or kill a group of a enemies though which is what I mean by grinding. I guess I expected the dynamic events to be more engaging. I've read several reviews and I believe this guy hit the nail on the head when he said;

"ArenaNet has said a number of times that they want to get rid of the grinding that’s so typically associated with MMO-land.

Unfortunately, the fetch-quest has largely been replaced by dynamic events that still play out a lot like fetch quests. There are a couple different kinds of dynamic events. Some require you to choose between fighting off monsters or gathering eggs in order to fill your progress bar to completion. Others require guarding a messenger or caravan. Still others simply ask you to kill bad guys and destroy their buildings.

The variety is largely a mirage. The repetition becomes monotonous rather quickly, and the spontaneity of the events becomes evident after just a few outings.

Some of these events, once completed, never show up again. The world has shifted to accommodate your success.

Others, such as driving off certain foul beasts, can be done over and over again. None of them, so far, have felt particularly different from your average fetch-quest in a game like World of Warcraft. Different packaging and more options, but the options themselves are hardly compelling."

Full article can be read here: (Quite interesting) 'Guild Wars 2' Review - Part One: Still Grinding After All These Years - Forbes

 

What else can you do in an MMO other than killing bad guys, collecting things, fetching things, protecting patrols, etc.? I mean, I really can't think of anything else other than writing poetry or making art (okay I kid I kid).

 

Haven't got much gaming time in the past few days. Two of my sons are in town using up all my bandwith playing Diablo 3. They are on a marathon 2 man farming of the last encounter. I've watched a few times, I figure they are on vacation, so letting them play. When all 3 of us play we all lag.

 

The manner in which you kill bad guys, loot, fetch items, and protect.
You can do so in a fun way or in a way that makes you feel like your doing it for the sake of leveling up and/or moving onwards.

 

anyone else having login issues atm?

 

So what you're saying is GW2 didn't change the manner of questing into a "fun" way. But would you agree that it's an improvement over the current model of "run to quest giver X, accept quest Y, collect bear butts, return to quest giver X, turn in quest Y, receive reward, follow road to next questing hub, repeat, move on to higher level zones with no reason to return"?

Surely it's the same exact content as in every other MMO, but I really do believe GW2 really nailed down two important questing mechanics.
1) You can never "out-level" a zone.
2) Exploration is rewarded.

Are there better ways of going about this? I highly doubt it. Ultimately I feel like the MMO genre is pretty restricted when it comes to leveling up your character or "how you go about it". Some may prefer the style where you collect 5-10 quests at once, pew pew, return; others may prefer a GW2 style of questing. But at its core, questing is really just a mechanic for getting to point B from point A.

I'm interested to hear other ways of making questing more engaging.

 

It is definitely an improvement, but I don't think it's a revolution like they hyped it up to be. It's definitely better than the standard "collect 25 wolf butts" quests from most MMOs.

 

Baka likes the fact that people don't fight each other just to get a kill to get a drop ._. The loots are sorta shared as long as everyone participates

 

Agree with baka here. No more fighting and closed meetings deciding who deserves the rare loot that dropped. Even when done fairly with bidding, karma or whatever system, someone was bound to get mad, often leaving raid or guild over a piece of equipment.

Then there is kill stealing: I quit Aeon because of too many bots that would steal my kills or screw up my quests by stealing a mob I summoned. Leaving me to walk back to the quest giver to start the process over. I wouldn't mind if it was a couple of times, but the bots ran rampant in that game. Really sucks when you have the mob almost halfway down, and someone more leveled and powerful kills it and loots it in front of you.

And herb/mine stealing : One of the first things I noticed and thought was cool was the sharing of nodes, herbs and trees. I used to do pugs in WOW, and players would position themselves to get the node after the boss went down, paying more attention to the node than the fight. I did like it on a pvp server, stopping and killing the other faction as long as there was only one and you weren't ganked. But when I was on a pve server, it kind of sucked that you would be clearing the mobs from the herb, and some idiot would run up and take it, leaving you with nothing.

What I don't like is that the mobs are too easy to shed agro in the open world. Too many idiots will see you fighting a mob, and they will veer and run right at you with a trail of mobs following that will drop agro from them and attack you. I found it funny on my ranger as I am able to kite and kill 10 mobs, but not so funny on my other toons who may struggle to live with only 2 mobs.

 

Hockeymass pretty much said what I would have said.

Its an improvement over the traditional MMO questlines, but its not completely removing grind from the game. Still feels like your collecting 25 wolf butts for no reason and receiving some forgettable reward. I do feel Arena Net hyped up the "We're changing the way MMO's work and removing grind!"Although I do see a drastic change from your typical MMO, there is still grind within the game at any level/stage.

 

Well I do like that the only quest that stays with you is your storyline quest. All others are area specific and pop up in log when you are in the area, and are gone if you step off of it. I've played too many MMOs where I would have to drop quests to pick up a new one as log was full. Usually I do the quests, then hunt for the heart that shows the quest giver. I use them to sell junk hoping he has a recipe I can use, or gear upgrade when leveling.

I liked how The Secret World system of no leveling worked, but unfortunately the combat sucked. I couldn't see myself paying a sub fee for it. I'm sure it will go free, and I will play that as well.

 

Well the nice thing is that you have choice on how to complete hearts. So if you don't want to collect wolf butts you can feed cows or punch worms or whatever. But yeah, still more grindy than I expected.

 

or you could just level up by crafting

 

Which involves grinding for mats.

You can never remove the grind from these games.

 

I supposed it depends on your definition of grind.

I don't do anything but explore, run heart quests, run area quests, challenges, and harvest anything in my way.

I don't consider that grinding as levelling happens naturally.

Some people might consider anything that wasn't "born at max level with every item in the game" grinding...

I consider it "the grind" when I must do something repetitively and stop playing as a member of that race and profession to move numbers up.

You never have to think about the numbers if you don't want to...

 

Yahtzee did his review....NSFW

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Zero Punctuation : Guild Wars 2

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in a review of a MMORPG from a guy who hates MMORPGs.

 

He was favorable to the game. Doesn't matter what genre, he usually rips the game he reviews much worse. I watch for the comedic value.

 

I watched it and didn't get the impression that he was favorable towards it. It was more like "eh, I don't hate it as much as WoW."

 

Hey guys. I was wondering if anyone was ruinning this game on the nvs 4200m. My girl has the t420 Lenovo laptop with the I5 4 gb of ram and the nvs 4200m. Wondering if and how this runs on it.

 

I've run it on an Intel HD3000 at 720p on low (everything off) and it plays reasonably well. (a bit rough for big events)

The nvs 4200m is the professional version of the 520m. This makes it about 50% better than the Intel HD3000.

I'd say low to medium at 720p would be quite playable.

 

Has anyone been playing Necromancer with minions? Is there a viable minion build? I remember in Guild Wars 1 I had a minion master and it rocked especially before they had the 10 minion limit, I also remember the group had to be careful and not let the mm die otherwise all the minions would turn on the group lol.

 

If you watch it regularly, you will notice that he rarely praises a game to a point where you actually feel that he is recommending it.
Last one he really liked was: SpecOps: The Line.
That is the reason alone I actually tried it and that doesn't mean I'm 100% into what he says. If you watch his show, you will realize why he is bashing games like that.
His opinions on games and the gaming industry in general are educated and well founded and he isn't afraid to take a total p£$%.

EDIT: And yes... he liked the game. His initial rant on how bad MMO'S are in his opinion was just to create context.

 

I do watch it regularly. He doesn't like MMORPGs and he didn't like GW, he just hated it less than some other games.

 

Ive just got GW2 and have been playing for a few hours and was wondering if there are any guilds out there who will accept noobs who just want to have fun? is anyone part of such guild?

 

I haven't played for a while now (university started..), but the low level areas were full of people when I started my first character and I got 2 invites during my first session. Just keep checking the chat as the casual guilds usually recruit there as well.

If you want a specific guild that people have experience with you should specify on which server you are though I think.

 

We have the NBR guild that StarForge is in charge of in the NA region. Leave your username and I'll invite you.

 

Thank you my user name is Ryrezar and im on aurora glade europe server.

 

There is a EU guild on aurora glade.

 

Il throw you an invite when the next time i log into Guild Wars 2 then.
Not so active in the guild myself but the leader is.

 

Thanks DEagleson! :thumbsup: I have you in my steam friends list anyway if you want to invite or talk later on.

 

Cant seem to find you ingame on the server, but here is the Guild Leaders ID, "darkpython.8013" so just tell him DEagleson sent you. :3

 

Ive just added you deagleson, does it show on your end to?

 

Baka believes adding people simply adds Sam to their followers list. Then they need to look up Sam in the followers list and add Sam from there

 

This is indeed correct.

On the other hand, I submitted a refund for the game.

 

Oh right i see, thanks.

Dont you like it simon?

 

You can do that? I'm pretty much done with GW2. I'm kind of bored now.

 

You can ask for anything you want. You won't necessarily get it.

I cannot really see how he would deserve to get it. /shrug

A refund implies that some flaw in the game was so bad that no user could reasonably expect to get their money's worth.

I have easily gotten my money's worth out of this game already IMHO.
If you didn't, it wasn't due to something the makers of GW2 should refund for.

Games like Diablo 3... yeah refunds are in order.
However, other than than, I cannot think of a game truly refund-worthy. (And there have been some stinkers out there...)

 

There have been people that have gotten refunds for it.

I don't really feel like I've gotten my money's worth from GW2. It was interesting for a little bit, but it's pretty boring now. I enjoyed WoW much more, and it's not because GW2 is too hard (it's certainly not).

Playing GW2 actually convinced me to resub for WoW.

 

Mm, I liked it for the first 20-30 levels, then it just bummed out and I stopped playing.

Yes, you can. Just create a support account and submit a question for redunding.

Woah there. There's no reason to hate Diablo 3 right here. Heck, I played more hours on Diablo 3 than on GW2. Diablo 3, for me, was much more worth it than Guild Wars 2. I'd hate to say it, but Guild Wars 2 is a refund-worthy game (again, this is my opinion).

 

Ummm.... yeah. Play nice. I wouldn't worry about what people spend their money on. There's always someone who thinks money could be better spent. I mean, there are those who would rather you spend the money that you would have on games to instead spend that money on feeding people in the third world. That would be more of an arguably noble effort. Just sayin'.

Right. I deleted a few posts. Sorry to do it as I know time was spent on them. But it's done to keep peace.

 

Yes there is... D3 offered a general refund to anyone purchasing D3 between X and Y dates.

Even Blizzard admitted D3 was refund-worthy to EVERYONE at release.

To my knowledge, GW2 has only offered refunds for Customer service issues.

I wish you both luck truly. I hope both of you get your refund.

 

I got my refund already with no questions asked. Just cause you disliked Diablo 3 does not mean that the game itself is that bad. I actually liked it much more than GW2 and I play in public games with other people (rarely see botters/spammers with me).

 

Lions Arch : Sharkmaw Caverns
Just did that jump puzzle. I thought the other cave with the jump puzzles was tough, then I found the vista where you go by mill and through weeds by hay bails. I heard a pirate, and noticed the cave by vista was like a mouth of a skull. Took me a good hour to get through it. Fake walls, then the jumping in the dark to treasure room. There was a vendor that sold level 40 rare weapons as well. The more you explore, the more fun you have...

 

I haven't been playing it because I got rather busy over the last week or so and considering that the guild activity has shrunken, I am thinking of closing the guild down and I might move to another one. I really think this game would get better once an expansion comes out as the core PvE does get stale and it is rather very short...

 

I'm really enjoying GW2, the combat is more interactive with dodging having value. I get most of my levels by just exploring the zone, doing hearts, and events. The escort events are fun, so are defending towns. I also love that there is no monthly fee. I can't speak to levels 30+, and I wonder how the end game will be, but I think GW2 has innovated some new things, that other MMO's can emulate. WoW was just a daily quest, daily dungeons grind fest. Even with Panda's it's tedious.

My greatest impatience is waiting to get a Lenovo Y400 at the end of Oct with the 650M. I'm using an HP Envy 15, and it is a year old GPU and puts out heat like a space heater. Wondering also how much will Windows 8 suck.

 

I've been having fun with GW2 except for about 2 weeks that my server has been getting stomped in PVP and we are pretty much lockdown, even after the reset it took about a day to lose everything again.

 

I wish I had more time to play

 

Ehh, wouldn't close the guild down just yet, though by all means if you want to move to a more active one go for it, just pass leadership on.

Was on a couple nights ago and tijo was the only one on iirc, we were chatting and agreed that the game felt unpolished and rushed in a lot of areas; people that zerged to 80 have little/nothing to do because anet is now playing catchup with patches/content, while a lot of people (like me) suddenly got very busy with work/school/life shortly after release. Hell I just hit 80 on that night, I'm sure people have several 80 alts by now. You can tell it's an unfinished game by the little things that are pretty obviously missing after playing something like wow: the slow/buggy/unpolished auction house, no lfg system other than standing around the instance entrance or in a city in chat, a surprising lack of (tough) world bosses to kill after some point, gear that is either terrible or out of reach (expensive) but nothing in between, etc.

It suits a player in my position perfectly because I don't have time to play every day to get my money's worth out of a subscription ala wow, I can just pick up where I left off when it's convenient and can screw around without a group (though now that I'm 80, dungeon running is pretty much my only option to gear up). If I had more time to game I'd be playing dota 2, I'd probably be bored with gw2 as well.