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    HURRAY: Nvidia 600 series not just Fermi!! (Kepler)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. maxheap

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    seriously? so gtx 660m is 128bit? awful...
     
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    Didnt you say in your first post??

    Also the source is just speculating about where the gk 107 will be used, it doesnt name the 650m or 660m

    And the 650m sports 512mb of ddr3 ram? I thought it has 2gb DDR3 Ram?

     
    gamba66, Mar 4, 2012
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    It shure is...

    [​IMG]
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 4, 2012
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    yupp, awful... I hope nvidia has some ace in the hole we are not seeing
     
    maxheap, Mar 4, 2012
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    Even the chart says the 650m has 2gb VRAM which contradicts with the quote of VR-Zone

     
    gamba66, Mar 4, 2012
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    Gamba, seriously chill down. I am just guessing. Since GK107 will be one of the first Kepler core from Nvidia on the market, and it is 128 bit, I think it`s safe to assume it will be used on some of the earliest mobile GPUs, like GT 650 and 660M. 680M which is also supposed to be a Kepler is 256bit. So probably not a GK107.

    I don`t know about that 512MB DDR3, but I suppose they easily can put 4x memory of that on a mobile GPU. But hey it is DDR3 memory like on the GT 650 :)

    I`m trying to find other results to compare that 640M you found gamba :)

    EDIT: I give up. Impossible to find benchmarks of the exact setup and settings.
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 4, 2012
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    Ask someone with an M11x r3 (GT 540M) to run the Lost Planet 2 DX11 and Resident Evil DX10 benchmarks at identical settings to what the Chinese site did.
     
    Kevin, Mar 4, 2012
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    They have tested the GT 640M in Vantage. Got to be a Kepler right? I don`t entirely trust these scores because I compared it to some other GPUs we have.
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    Cloudfire, Mar 4, 2012
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    We need the GPU score to settle the matter.
     
    Kevin, Mar 4, 2012
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    Wheres that from?

    Is it from the Acer booklet? The other notebooks have 3dmark 06 scores on it
     
    gamba66, Mar 4, 2012
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    Its not about 3dmark vantage its the pcmark vantage score, which comes right after the 3dmark score (without any clue what score they mean exactly if 3dmark 06 or 11 or which settings used)

    Theres no indication that its talking about 3dmark vantage unfortunately

    Anyways, lets use the real scores from those benchmarks, often these advertisements give wrong numbers anyways.. the review from laptop.bg is atleast has real numbers
     
    gamba66, Mar 4, 2012
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    Twist it anyway you like. If it is 3DMark vantage, it is much better than 540M. If it is PCMark vantage it is still much better than 540M. Especially if it is the GPU score. It can`t be 3DMark 05 or 06 cause that would mean that it is a pretty bad GPU.

    I`m pretty psyched about this to be honest. Which I usually get about new technology lol :p
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 4, 2012
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    I was only saying that it doesnt say 3dmark vantage, only 3dmark.. and shortly after that pcmark vantage.. That means that there is no indication what kind of 3dmark score it is, it could be 05, 06, vantage or even 11..

    I didnt say though its a weak gpu

    So pcmark vantage score is gpu relevant?

    PCMark Vantage score of m11x r3 is 8884 points versus the PCMark Vantage score of the acer m3 5800tg of 7317,4

    Im psyched about kepler too, I have been hoping for lighter and more portable notebooks with gpu power! I just have a feeling that kepler, atleast mobile kepler, will come out later then expected, like q3 or even q4
     
    gamba66, Mar 4, 2012
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    You`re right, the PCMark score isn`t so good indication of GPU performance, but

    There are so many different scores at notebookcheck with PCMark because of the numerous hardware they have, like SSDs, Quad cores etc that all influence the score so much.
    What I meant was impressive about the PCMark score is that a notebook with a 17W CPU and a 5400RPM HDD can score so much. There have to be some kind of hardware that boost the score up. When it is not the CPU or HDD, it must be the GPU. The Alienware you are talking about have an SSD which boost the score by a whole lot.

    But I still think (hope) that it is 3DMark Vantage they are talking about. And if it is, then it is very impressive :)
    This is me just guessing like always of course :p

    I WANT GPU-Z of that 640M. grrrr :D

    Do you guys think we will see some GTX Kepler GPUs at Cebit? Or will we only see 670M/675M?
    Or mobile GCNs from AMD?
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 4, 2012
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    I think we will see rebadges
     
    maxheap, Mar 4, 2012
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    Why would they want to show off rebadges, with or without us knowing about it, it could be bad for their market.
     
    plancy, Mar 4, 2012
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    I mean, CeBit along with CES gotta be the best arenas to show off their newest technology to the people. There will be tons of journalists and techpeople there ready to spread the word
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 4, 2012
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    Agreed. Between the two, you get a great idea of the year to come.

    Isnt CeBit the main venue for Clevo to show their products?
     
    TheBluePill, Mar 4, 2012
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    Can't wait, 27 more hours till CeBIT :D
     
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    If the high-end mobile Kepler cards were ready, we wouldn't even have the 670M and 675M which they are presenting.

    I doubt they can show the GTX 680M, because the desktop cards from which it's going to come (GK106 or GK104?) are still just barely crawling out of production.

    These rebadged cards will be worse PR than if Nvidia had just left them as the 570M and 580M, and said, "sorry, the Kepler cards will be late." That actually would've been quite respectable.

    In reality, if AMD really shows up with 7800-series based mobile GCN, it doesn't matter what you call GF114. It's toast.

    Yes sir.
     
    Kevin, Mar 5, 2012
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    Wow, the 7800 series reviews coming out are showing excellent power draw properties. Nvidia is gonna get their butt kicked if they just offer up this weak rebadged crap...
     
    lordbaldric, Mar 5, 2012
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    Looks like the GT 640M indeed perform much better than the GT 540M. Atleast in Resident Evil 5 (DX10)

    GT 640M Intel Core i5-2467M (1.60-2.30 GHz, 17W TDP):
    Resident Evil 5 1366x768, high settings: 49.4FPS

    GT 540M Intel Core i5 2410M (2.30-2.90 Ghz, 35W TDP):
    Resident Evil 5 1366x768, high settings: 30FPS without fraps
    Resident Evil 5 GT540M Performance Gameplay ( HD ) - YouTube

    GT 540M Intel Core i5 2410M (2.30-2.9GHz, 35W TDP):
    Resident Evil 5 1333x768, high settings: ~26 FPS
    Resident Evil 5 Gameplay | ASUS K53SV | i5-2410M | NVIDIA GT 540M - YouTube
     
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    The 640M seems to exhibit 65% performance boost over 540M.
    That's actually good (not 70% as the charts indicated, but 5% margin of error is acceptable and not really noticeable).
    If the 65% to 70% boost is retained on the new gpu's over the older generation ones they are meant to replace, then it would really be good for people who are thinking on upgrading to wait until those gpu's hit the market.

    At least as far as mid-range computers go, the performance boost at 720p or 768p will be great.

    As for high-performance gpu's... we'll have to wait and see for those comparisons.
     
    Deks, Mar 5, 2012
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    That 640m is probably underclocked too based that it's accompanied by a low power CPU. If 680m is 70% more powerful than the 580m i would definitely have to wait.
     
    plancy, Mar 5, 2012
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    There are some Kepler Parts being churned out, Ture. We know that from reports that NVIDIA has a large production buy for 28nm at TSMC.

    However, we don't really know what SKUs they are making.. and the real money is that they are Desktop Parts.
     
    TheBluePill, Mar 5, 2012
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    Here is another comparison between GT 540M and GT 640M. Keep in mind that the 540M setup also have a Quad core and is tested at High settings while the 640M setup have a ULV Dual core tested at Ultra. It was the closest I could find

    GT 640M Intel Core i5-2467M (1.60-2.30 GHz, 17W TDP):
    STALKER 1366x768 Ultra settings
    Day: 56.2FPS
    Night: 60.1FPS
    Rain: 70.5 FPS
    Source

    GT 540M Intel Core i7 2630QM (2.0-2.9GHz, 45W TDP)
    STALKER 1366x768 High settings
    Day: 46FPS
    Night: 44FPS
    Rain: 46FPS
    Source
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 5, 2012
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    The GT 640M is out on the market... in an 14"/15.6" Acer notebook launching on March 8 (Singapore IT Show).
     
    yknyong1, Mar 5, 2012
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    Good research! Seems impressive!

    I wonder where the 650m stands then, it must be really good :)

    Is the 640m faster than the 555m or 635m then?

    And how would you guesstimate the perfomance of the 650m if its about 65 percent faster?
     
    gamba66, Mar 5, 2012
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    I think that the 640M and 650M will be pretty close, like the 540M and 550M was. I don`t know if 640M is faster than 555M but I guess so because 635M is =555M now.
    GT 640M is listed @Notebookcheck now (not details). They put it a bit over the 555M yes but I`m sceptical that it is that close to the GTX 460M to be honest :)
    Notebookcheck

    I have no idea how much faster the 650M is compared to 640M, but somewhere around 10% faster maybe. :)
     
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    Wonder what the comparison would be running Ultra on both?
     
    TheBluePill, Mar 5, 2012
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    OH, wonder what that GTX 660M gonna be like. Fermi or Kepler? Perhaps its a juiced up GT 650M aka overclocked one since it is also a 128bit like 650M. :D

    Yeah me too. I bet we get close to the performance difference we saw with Resident evil, around 65ish %. Man that Kepler is looking really good if you ask me
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 5, 2012
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    Hmm, I wonder if the new Asus N76 will have the 660m.
    N75 has a 555m at 45W TDP.
    So, a 45W 660m should go right in :p
     
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    wow, laptop market will get overwhelmed real soon :)

    damn my m17x will last for a year looks that way :D
     
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    lol I hear ya. My notebooks usually last a year too. Just got to have the latest hardware even though it cost. But its fuuuun :)
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 5, 2012
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    time to start saving :) 7870 being that powerful (yeah, looks like it is just busted in BF3, kills in the rest) implies one thing, gtx 660Ti will beat it bad, otherwise I am sure nvidia would have also started releasing, they are waiting till amd plays all their cards I am sure..
     
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    The thing is, that we might get GTX 680M very soon. They say GTX 680 is launching 12th March now, and its a GK104 core, which is what I think the 680M will be based on. Both have 256 bit memory controller. Nvidia have all engines running now (I hope)

    Here are todays news about 680:
    Nvidia will ‘launch’ GK104/Kepler/GTX680 in a week | SemiAccurate

    I already have my money waiting btw. Since January. :D
    I`m not shure if I go for AMD or Nvidia though. Waiting to see what they both offer first
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 5, 2012
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    Wow, and N series can't be behind K.
    That's great, looking for a 17" 1080p to last me atleast 2 years...and better graphics never hurt :D
     
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    wow, very very curious about 680 right now :)
     
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    The Price.. that is the thing i fear will rival the performance... Could we see.. a $999 MXM card??
     
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    680m will definitely hover around that, 580m was around 1k upon release, still sells around 750 :( expensive hobby :D
     
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    So GT 640M, GT 650M and GTX 660M should be on GK107 Kepler, but GTX 670M and GTX 675M was only rebranded?

    Next rebranding proof?
     
    midzi, Mar 5, 2012
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    So the higher end cards are rebrands whereas the lower end aren't? Well, that makes perfect sense.
     
    funky monk, Mar 5, 2012
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    GT 640M, GT 650M, GTX 660M and GTX 680M are Kepler. 640M and 650M are GK107-200 (DDR3). GTX 660M is a GK107-300 (GDDR3 or GDDR5) and GTX 680M is a GK104 and a 256 bit.

    GTX 670M (Fermi) is a rebadged 570M but with slightly higher clocks. GTX 675M (Fermi) is a rebadged 580M and they are exactly identical. All 600 series GPUs below GT 640M (GT 610M,GT 630M and GT 635M) are also rebranded Fermi

    That is my guess and is based on what I have seen so far with screenshots and reviews. What is 100% certain is GTX 670M, GTX 675M and the GPUs below GT 640M
     
    Cloudfire, Mar 5, 2012
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    Cloudfire, that sounds like it will be correct.
     
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    My estimation:

    96sp/SM
    Full GK107:4SM-384sp

    GT640M GK107-200 3SM 288sp D3
    GT650M GK107-300 4SM 384sp D3
    GTX660M GK107-300 4sm 384sp GD5

    (Some Manufacturers may name their GK107 with D3 as GT660M or even GTX660M to deceive consumers)
     
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    From the early CeBit Coverage, it looks like everyone is going with NVIDIA Discreet Graphics, even in their ultra-books. I'm seeing a lot of GT6XX parts in the specs for darn near everything.
     
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