HURRAY: Nvidia 600 series not just Fermi!! (Kepler)

40nm, GTX670M, Clevo board.

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多谢蛛蛛老板!

 

whats the one next to it?

 

I think it's a 560M.

 

Can someone just post a GTX 570M MXM board picture so we can compare the die size?

 

The GTX570M picture look shrunk/aspect ratio not maintained.

But it looks like the exact same die...

 

there fixed it in previous post

edit: looks the same except 670m has an sli boot

 

So now that you know his card is real:

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多谢蛛蛛老板!

GTX670M = GTX570M + 5-10%

ENJOY

Spoiler

 

and it cant be a reflash of a 570m unless he installed an sli boot, and flashed his own bios on it, and somehow got the mysterious 295.62 firmware...

 

This 670m seems to be a 40nm chip from one of the pics...

 

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Also, the first review of an ultrabook with a GT 640M graphics card has been published. It's the new Acer Aspire Timeline Ultra M3.

 

Performance definitely seems to be within the margin of error for a 4% overclock.

 

That`s what it is, same chip slight OC...

DOUBLE POST, sorry

 

Which totally made fools out of those with GTX 570/580M waiting for the new highend...

 

I think everyone knew the 670/675 were just rebranded 40nm Fermi's for a month already, I don't think anyone is a fool for waiting, 680m and 7990m are going to be beasts for sure.

 

Do we have any idea as to when those cards will come out though?

 

Prema's "sources" aka some Chinese retailers point at a June launch for AMD's high end and I'm assuming the same for 680m, we might see them as soon as May, I hope.

 

we never waited for 670/675m anyway, we are looking forward to 680m, which is a GK104 beast coming already

 

They are taking pre-orders since about a week for the GTX670M with an expected delivery date of second week of April, this is arround the same time the GTX675M (GTX580M rebrand) shipment is expected.

They where told the GTX680M is planned for early June and the HD7970M late June...
The information above is from earlier this month and it's all they gave.

 

Thanks for the pics of the chips btw Prema. It`s a shame that they didn`t do atleast a die shrink with the rebrands

 

Ohhh Snap.. the 640M Acer Timeline edges out the Razer Blade in BF3..

AnandTech - The Razer Blade Review

 

..And then Razer gave the finger to the people who just bought their notebook...

Razer Blade Redux: Ivy Bridge and Kepler Union? - Bright Side Of News*

 

Oh snap, so Kepler isn't a great improvement over the 570M/580M? Might as well order my laptop now...

 

Um, no............................................................................................................................wow

he assumes most people waiting for the 670/675m or "highend" were just waiting for 40nm Fermi rebadges, aka 670m = 570m, 675m = 580m, these are NOT KEPLER!! But 600 series does have Kepler parts and we don't know a lot about Kepler yet, but we know it's a huge improvement as far as performance.

From what little info we have:

Kepler = 28nm

640m/650m/660m = Kepler
680m = 90% most likely Kepler
620/635/670/675m = 40nm Fermi

Kepler is a huge improvement over Fermi.

 

I should clarify and make that more specfic: Highend that will first release. There is no ETA for GTX 680M and that likely depends on GK104 production at TSMC.

 

Loooooooooooooooooooooool.

That is all.

 

So much for early adopters =)

 

Don't forget the Acer uses weak ULV CPU as well. Very good impression so far.

 

Grrrr... I wanted to order a new laptop with a 570m soon -___- now i have to wait to get a better GPU argh.

Or else I'll just have to settle on an AMD 6970m.

 

Just wait if possible. If you really need the system you won't even wait too long.

 

buying lappy right now will be a big regret... gtx 680m / amd 7990m will be ready around summer, 2 months of extra gaming can wait for a while, especially when you are talking about +2k lappy...

 

The following is my thoughts regarding the GTX 680M

GTX 580M was based on GTX 560 Ti, which was both GF114.
GTX 680M will probably be based on the GTX 670 Ti, which is the successor to GTX 560 Ti. 680M and 670 Ti will both use the GK104.

GT 540M had 96 CUDA cores. The successor GT 640M have 384 CUDA cores. That is 4x as much. GTX 580M had 384 CUDA cores. GTX 680M will have 1536 (384x4) CUDA cores. It fits the description below. Plus GK104 is 256bit, which the 680M will also have. It fits with the description below

A recent article about GTX 670 Ti is the one at the bottom. The core clock explained in the first article quoted is wrong. the correct core clock of GTX 670 Ti should be 705 MHz.

The TDP of GTX 680 is 195W like explained over. TDP of the previous generation, GTX 580 was 250W, which means that it have falled 22%. So where does this put the TDP of 680M?
This old picture suggest 75W, which is around the same TDP decrease as the GTX 680 will see (580M was 100W, -22% = 78W)

 

O.M.G. I know there is a boatload of folks that just picked a Blade 1.0 up here.. If the 2.0 is a vast improvement, and is on the market within the next couple of months.. there will be some anger.. i can feel it..

 

First GTX 680 (without M) tests revealed.
???Kepler?GPU??? NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680??? - ???? HKEPC Hardware - ?? No.1 PC??

New architecture and new TXAA.

 

Just thought this will be what GTX 680M will be based on.



Any questionable specs in this picture?

 

i cant help to wounder what GK100 is going to be for card since GK104 is going to be GTX680

 

Likely for 780...

 

The die size on the 680 in that chart looks a little small..

 

hope the 680 is even better then 485 was to 480 soo it will be giving a ca 50% boost
but i realy dont hope it will be like 485 to 580 since the bump wasent worth the money .
and some thing that realy would anoy me would be that i buy the cards 3 month later they release the GK100 card

 

Yeah I can see that, with something like half of the shaders, or 768 total.

 

Your logic here is largely irrelevant. S|A might be right about the TDP of the GTX 680M but it has nothing to do with the decrease from GTX 580 level to GTX 680 in the desktop segment, because the GTX 580M is a spin-off of the GTX 560Ti (GF114), not the GTX 580 (GF110).

Also lol at nvidia's PR screen. Because we all know that the Radeon 7970 has a 250W TDP, and that it's on par with the GTX 580, right suckers ?

 

i think that this gk104 was going to be the 660ti, but when they saw how crappy amd's 7970 was they decided to maximize profits and call it the gtx 680. although that sucks for the desktop market, us notebook users will still get the benefits either way.

 

Actually I doubt any of these new laptops will be in my price range (aka around $1400) upon release... but if I really should wait, then I'll wait.

 

GTX 580 and GTX 680 are two totally different architectures too, different cores, different clocks etc so that it isn`t any more valid that comparison. I was comparing top models of desktop with each other and top models of notebook to think that maybe we will se a 22% reduction on all models, included GT too. Looking at the picture more you can see that the GTX 660M is supposed to get a TDP of 40-45W. GTX 560M had a TDP of 75W. That is a reduction of 40%. And the GT 640M get a reduction of 15%. So no, comparing more it seems that 22% is not the norm, but perhaps an average TDP reduction? But you`re right, not much to learn from my TDP calculations. I was just playing with numbers like I always do

And yes, the TDP of 7970 and GTX 580 are both 250W. That is actually correct and not something Nvidia is lying about.
But I agree with you, they should have made that picture a little bit different since people might think the 580 and 7970 perform the same although they put the 7970 over 580. But if you seen the review midzi is linking to, you can clearly see that performance per W (or TDP) is greatly higher with the GTX 680 than the 7970. In fact with that very small die and that little TDP and that good performance, I`d say Nvidia have created a winner with Kepler. And kudos for them, because the Fermi was a big disappointment. Beating the 7970 with 22% less TDP is impressive in my humble opinion.
That is why they have put the 680 quite a bit over the 7970/580 I think.

 

Fermi was a disappointment??? dude 485m was like a million times better than 5870m, 400m family is like the best thing ever happened in terms of GPU performance (8000m family was also nice)...

 

No, the GK100 was supposed to be the GTX680 but the chip has refused to work and only its refresh will be manufacturable (they hope).

They are calling the gk104 the GTX680 because they have nothing else.

 

Fermi was hot, it was expensive, the GPU was big, it gave the same performance as AMDs GPUs which costed a whole lot less.
(Not counting in your 485M)

Just face it, AMD was clearly the better choice in the last generation of GPUs. Atleast performance/$ wise. Yes I am well aware of the driver support etc with Nvidia but that is something of personal choice

 

performance/price amd was mostly (maybe not always) better anyway, but still I disagree with Fermi was worse than 5000m, it was MUCH better in performance, much more costly, but think the following please

gtx 460m = ati 5870m, 460m is about the coldest running GPU on planet, while 5870m hits about 90C easily.. it has maybe %0-5 better performance than 460m, but 460m can overclock like hell.. AND I am sure nobody will disagree on the driver support, nvidia is like 10 times better than amd in that case (I had ati's prior to my 460m, and NONE of the drivers installed fluently...) AND THEIR PRICES ARE THE SAME! 485m is about 40% better than 460m, definitely it is going to be much more expensive...

 

I don`t remember all the details about 460M/560M vs 5870M etc so maybe you are right that they costed the same.
But I do remember 570M/580M, 6970M and 6990M, and from what I remember the cost difference was huge with AMD much cheaper, while performing just about the same. (Yes I know the 6970M is better than the 570M)

I`m too lazy to go look up details. Lets just agree that Kepler future is looking bright and its sad that we haven`t heard anything about the 7000M GCN yet

 

500m was very similar to 6000m thats true, but I don't think that is the right place to judge Fermi, after all 580m is just a power optimized 485m, which was released a hell before 6990m (which was it's first rival from amd)