How will Ampere scale on laptops?

Will need an elmor EVC to control memory voltages. Since the gddr6 is both undervolted and underclocked, you need to boost voltages to desktop levels then apply an overclock in msi afterburner.

Thats the easy part. The hard part is figuring out where to connect the EVC

 

115, ya gotta click around a little to hit pay dirt.

 

Holy ..nvidia screws us big time...i had the opportunity in december to buy a Clevo 2080 Super for under 1000 dollars almost new..didnt take it cus i was hopping for some good 3xxx series..that we will not get. Silly me

 

Yup nvidia cucked mobile enthusiasts hard this gen

 

Not so sure we get the best bin on the Mem IC's for Max-Qrippled. Aka now as Nvidia finished their screw up for notebooks (gamers) it will be less tasty jump on the worst SKUs from Nvidia. Gone is the days they treat thin and normal with the same hardware. Cripple the boost clocks wasn't enough.

Nvidia.....

Hope you understand the pict was pure irony. Nvidia = Disgusting!

 

Without competiton the greddy Green Goblin cand do what they want...i hope AMD makes a revival in the mobile world to put some fire under Nvidia

 

you can get a 3080 laptop for 2500cad or 1800usd...this doesnt seem right, if the early prices are true this is amazing news, maybe thats why nvidia cheaped out on performance....too keep prices down.

proof!!!
Gigabyte AORUS 15G YC-8US2450 w/ Core™ i7 -10870H, 32GB, 1TB, 15.6in FHD 240Hz, GeForce RTX 3080 , Wifi 6 + BT 5.0, Win10 Home - Laptops / Notebooks - Memory Express Inc.

 

Looks like N. could be trying to pull a bit of the good old dumping on AMD. That would mean even higher than usual depreciation of the RTX 2000-series hardware.

 

i might actually buy a 3080 laptop if these prices hold...2500cad was the old 2060 price range..3080 now were talking

 

That's a Max-Q and I see it for $1999 on Newegg.

 

The scar is 115, that's the highest I've seen so far. Running 3k for a decent config on that.

 

115+15 with dynamic boost to be more precise with a total of 130W.
Don't also forget that most laptops I have seen with rtx 3080 and intel cpu don't support gsync. However the new scar laptops with 3070/3080 and amd cpu support adaptive Sync /freesync with the built in panel and freesync is as good as gsync. So that's another plus for the scar laptops with amd cpu.

I am thinking about the new scar 17 inch however I can not decide between 2 models. Currently these 2 models are in stock in my country :

-g733qr with 5900hx and 3070 8gb
-g733qs with 5800h and 3080 16gb

1 has better cpu but the other has better vga ... Would be nice to know the difference between the cpu and the difference between the 2 vga cards regarding tdp.

 

MSI GE76 has a 150W RTX 3080.

 

I don't count the boost on the scar because I lack confidence in it's continuous operation. Last years had cooling issues; I'd be waiting for reviews. In the US you can get a 5900/3080 config, if I were to go for one of the scars that would be my pick along with the 2k screen.

Glad to hear there is now a 150 surfacing, MSI didn't show one the last time I wandered by there. I was a bit surprised at the lack of heavyweights announced so far.

 

So are both the Aero 15/17 and Auros 15g/15p 2021 models using Max Q GPUs?

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All rtx 3000 mobile benchmarks so far


Not sure what wattage the RTX 3080 runs at in the GE66

 

So it looks like the 3070 (non max q) is the sweet spot if the price is good, only 659 less graphics points then the 3080

 

Great, now I just need a compatible 150w MXM+ updated BIOS.
Edit + a TM1 heatsink

 

That is weird, really weird. 3070 and 3080 are too close to each other, 3080 should have scored at least 12000 graphics score with the extra 1000 cuda cores.
I am guessing 2 things can be at fault here:
1) vga driver used is sh1t and holding back the 3080
2) MSI is using maxq variant of 3080 in this model.

If both are MaxP with the same tdp it is physically impossible for them to be so close to each other ... Just think about it, between 2070s and 2080s the difference is only 500 cuda cores and the difference is much higher in TS. between the 3070 and 3080 the difference is 1000 more cuda cores !
How could it be possible with 2x more extra cuda cores to be the difference less then at 2070s and 2080s ? It's physically not possible unless the drivers are sh1t.

 

When you consider the first looks of various 2021 3080s most are low power, that is what reviewers have in hand. I have a suspicion you haven't been keeping up with the thread but a takeaway everyone should walk away with is that you should not buy until benchmarks are in for the full spectrum of possible graphics options. I don't think the 3080 people like us want has taken the stage yet.

 

I want the best bang for my buck (seems to be 3070 for now) BUT I'm also tempted by the 16GB RAM 3080 for future proofing...

 

Yes I know that they are not 200W that most people expected, however the math still does not add up.
Look up my example with the 2070S and 2080S. The difference there are only 500 cuda cores however in TS the difference is 20%.
Here we have 1000 more cuda cores but the difference is only 1%?!
But even if we consider notebookcheck's 12000 graphics points for 3080 even then the difference is less then 10%...

Ofcourse I do not expect 40% difference just because twice the difference in extra cuda cores however the 20% difference should be there even if the 3070 has higher tdp just because the extra cores.

It's like if the used drivers did not even utilize all the cuda cores ...

Just doesn't make any sense why there isn't at least 20% difference with 1000 more cuda cores.

 

At the end of day we just don't know how much faster it will be, people have tested 3080s running at 200w and the difference was 20 percent and with the leaks it's showing 10 percent so if thats all it is im happy with it but then again I have a 1060 and not a 2080 super...just be glad you guys bought a 2080 it will last at least another 2 years of ultra gaming.

As for vram yes 16gb is more future proof and it's really hard to know if you will need it as the consoles run at 1440p-4k and when being ported over may or may not require 16gb.

 

Yeah, that's what I'm saying; you've a smattering of benchmarks which for the most part don't even specify the configuration. Thanks to the misinformational marketing and the product itself we're not really going to know what we're looking at until we get legitimate real world numbers.

 

yes its possible we will see the usual 40 percent boost but nvidia is hiding at the moment

 

So, I was driving about and I had to wonder. What if the TDP's are so low because of the wattage spikes we see on the desktop cards?

Any input on this? Sorry if it's already been chatted over. Lol

 

Maybe some interesting 3D-Mark scores about the RTX 3070 & 3080:

Full specs in the picture
(RTX 3080 with 130w PL)




For comparison an Alienware m17 R3 (RTX 2080s with 150w PL)


another result with a clevo and a RTX 3070

source: German AW-Forum

@Papusan @B0B

 

finally something solid...that leak seems too match up with what notebookcheck posted....rep+

 

A bit out of the loop and fire strike is a bit out of my purview. Is this good or bad?

 

It's ok but that isn't the promised "huge" performance increase. The RTX 3080 comes with a 130w Powerlimit in the GE66. A small comparison overview from my data:

Alienware 17 R5 (2018) CPU: i9-8950HK, GPU: GTX 1080 (180-200w PL)
Time Spy: 8.078 points (Graphics: 8.083, CPU: 8.051)
Firestrike: 20.722 points (Graphics: 23.741, Physics: 20.375)


Alienware m15 R1 (2018) CPU: i7-8750H, GPU: RTX 2070MQ (90w PL)
Time Spy: 7.485 points (Graphics: 7.485, CPU: 6.848)
Firestrike: 16.966 points (Graphics: 19.635, Physics: 16.043)


Alienware m15 R1 (2018) CPU: i9-8950HK, GPU: RTX 2080MQ (90w PL)
Time Spy: 8.505 points (Graphics: 8.751, CPU: 7.339)
Firestrike: 19.427 points (Graphics: 23.146, Physics: 17.532)


Alienware m17 R3 (2020) CPU: i7-10750H, GPU: RTX 2080Max-P (150w PL)
Time Spy: 8.996 points (Graphics: 10.160, CPU: 5457) (CPU TT)
Firestrike: 19.973 points (Graphics: 26.178, Physics: 15.367)


MSI GE66 (2021) CPU: i7-10870H, GPU: RTX 3080 (130w PL)
Time Spy: 11.335 points (Graphics: 11.915, CPU: 8.886)
Firestrike: 23.571 points (Graphics: 30.938, Physics: 20.315)


Desktop-PC: 9900KS, RTX 2080 Super: (MSI GamingX Trio 250w)
Time Spy: 12.867 points (Graphics: 12.860, CPU: 12.913)
Firestrike: 27.416 points (Graphics: 32.237, Physics: 28.228)

 

yeah but thats desktop level 2080 super performance...and that is a pretty big jump as the 20 series was not as fast as its desktop counterparts..but its shy of the 2080ti performance we all hoped for..kinda disappointing to those of you that own 2080s and wanted a big jump up....great for pascal owners that don't want to pay an arm and a leg for the increase in power.

 

Damn, this generation is looking depressing. But I gotta upgrade because mine is falling appart and I need to shift down to something more mobile.

Hopefully AMD gets off their ass and drops something good. Their showcase suggested they had nothing though.....

 

There has to be something wrong with that score (RTX3070) . I get the same score almost with a GTX 1080. WITHOUT a modded vBios but with a stock one without messing up with anything in it
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21460012

 

Nope seems about right. 3070M is supposed to be around desktop 2070S level. Fire Strike is too old to show Turing/Ampere’s strengths.

 

Oh so that's why. Hopefully the upcoming cards fit my P775DM3-G. Can't wait for real life reviews on these

 

I've the same score with my old AW17 R5:

 

should still scale properly upwards. The results is nothing more than disgusting. Whatever its from 3DM Time Spy or FS.

 

That's the video from the GE66 and timespy:

 

TS plays much more to Turing/Ampere strengths.

 

I will not write down the new cards until I see some final benchmark scores made with the final driver on January 26. These beta drivers might not have optimizations to initialize all cuda cores. Not to mention that I hear that dynamic boost and bar is also disabled at the moment with the bets drivers.

 

I don't expect much improvement with 15w (dynamic boost). Same for the driver. They're mostly finished and represent min. 95% of the performance. A "final" driver will not make performance jumps of 15%+ in 2 days. That's unrealistic.

 

SOTTR 3080 130w mobile 79FPS avg 1080p




2080ti 81FPS avg 1080p

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pc...nd-2060-mit-und-ohne-raytracing-und-dlss/amp/

 

Now thats more like it, a 130w 3080 getting a breaths reach of a 2080ti, this is what I expected but will all the leaks it was well not good. I can now see the 200w or 150w 3080 matching a 2080ti or in some cases beating it, if this is true and we have no reason to believe it isn't some 2080 users might find it feasible to upgrade which is nice who wants the same laptop for 3 years..I upgrade every 2 years with the exception of buying a 1050 laptop and then immediately selling it and getting a 1060 laptop.

 

We have to wait for more results.

This guy on Youtube made a few more tests.

AC Valhalla hovers between 75 and 90 FPS on his 3080 mobile
The 3080 FE is in 80s FPS range average

RDR2 hovers around 55-60 fps
With MSAA in 1080p the 3080 FE is in the same range (55-60fps) maybe a few % more.

I expect the 150w+ 3080 mobile (with good cooling) at least on par with Desktop 3070

Looking forward to see more results

 

Music to my ears man

 

Wow that's a huge GPU bottleneck.

 

@JRE84, @papusan, @etern4l , @Spartan@HIDevolution
Again those are terrible results. I have made a comparaison with my actual system and exact same settings this guy had. I have a RTX 2080 super 200watts (wich is about 20-25% less powerfull compare to a 2080 TI) and a more powerfull CPU (10900K) running at 49X. Still i have about 50% more FPS compare to the 3080 130 watts. I don't think the CPU difference counts for 50%. So very disapointed in this guy 3080 GE66 130 watts results.

RTX 3080 130 watts ROTTR= 79 fps
RTX 2080 super 200 watts ROTTR= 123 FPS

Below i posted this guy setting compare to my settings. (exactly the same).

3080 graphic settings



2080 super grapphic settings


3080 results


2080 results



Edit: i was wrong comparing these results. Like @captn.ko metionned, this guy had ray tracing on. My version did not. Sorry everyone.

 

Is that MSI Raider 130W or 115 + 15? Likely the latter and I don't personally believe in the extra 15W being more than a marketing gimmick.
Did that dude make any attempt to undervolt the card, as you surely have? Probably not, and as we know it can make a significant difference.
Are the 3080 drivers polished by now? LOL I guess.

I think it's a pretty safe bet the 3080 will be a healthy upgrade over the 2080S. Start hammering Dell over a DGFF card upgrade. Customers shouldn't take a BS no for an answer!

 

maybe you have disabled raytracing?

Another test.



I cant find any test where the 2080s can do 120+ fps SOTTR Bench with RT...