How will Ampere scale on laptops?

The most idiotic thing about all this is that GPU mining will be dead quite soon anyway.

 

Orgin seems to have dropped a 200w card in the new 17 X anyone got things to confirm?

 

Where did you see 200W? That’s the Clevo X170KM-G, which has a 150W + 15W DB 3080M.

 

Clicking on the learn more tab its got two different sets of specs.

 

That’s for the X170SM-G which had the 200W 2080 Super. The 3072 CUDA cores and 8GB VRAM are dead giveaways.

 

Bro @Mr. Fox Remember this one?
Nvidia clockblock: vBIOS (unblocked in 353.00)

Nvidia like play GOD with it's customers. I'm sure they could offer better performance for older cards if they really wanted. But they tune everything with drivers so you can barely get what you paid for. They rather want that you follow the miners over on next gen graphics cards. Let the miners get cards in front to pump up the prices.

 

Kinda dumb to list it in the 3080 spec sheet then. But what do I know. I'm just a fool waiting to be fleeced of my cash to these people. Lol

 

It seems Nvidia want to make max profit from the mining boom. What is better than give the miners the big boy Ampere? With the massive shortage of Geforce cards we see today this can be a second good options for miners if they struggle get suck up enough 3090/3080/3070 or 3060 cards for their mining rigs.

NVIDIA could reintroduce its Ampere GA100 GPU under CMP HX mining series videocardz.de

NVIDIA might be planning a GA100-based CMP HX mining card.

NVIDIA A100 was the first Ampere GPU released months ahead of the GeForce RTX 30 lineup. Unlike the gaming-oriented models, the GA100 solution was designed solely with compute workloads in mind. According to Kopite, the A100 is a “mining monster” without sharing any hash rates or mining performance figures. He claims that NVIDIA will introduce a fifth CMP HX model with said GPU:

Crypto Miners Fool Nvidia's Anti-Mining Limiter With $6 HDMI Dummy Plug tomshardware.com


Although Nvidia put an anti-mining algorithm in place to nerf the GeForce RTX 3060's hash rate in Ethereum, the mechanism didn't last very long. As odd as it may sound, Nvidia gave away the keys to its own kingdom when the chipmaker accidentally released a GeForce beta driver that disabled the limiter.

The Gamers can just jump on Geforce Now... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/geforce-now.831831/page-5#post-11085112

Nvidia just increased the price but the miners can at least not destroy for the gamers on this platform

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Nvidia Reportedly Transforming A100 Into a Mining GPU, With a 210 MH/s Hash Rate tomshardware.com

Why sell to enterprise when you can sell to cryptominers?

The pricing for Nvidia's CMP HX offerings remains a mystery, although we've seen a CMP 30HX land overseas for $723. It'll be interesting to see if the $3,000 price tag sticks with the 220HX. Obviously, mining farms won't be buying just one, so Nvidia may also be tempted to offer a juicy discount for bulk orders. Let's not forget that between $100 to $300 million of the chipmaker's Q4 2021 revenue was thanks to sales to cryptominers, so it's obviously a very lucrative business.

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When you just can't push out enough Ampere cards (to not flood the market). Push hard for the old.

Newly Launched GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Lands in Japan, for $200 tomshardware.com | Today

A 2016-ERA entry-level graphics card that's not cheap at all.

Because it's hard to get a modern graphics card, some suppliers are now trying to meet demand for entry-level options by re-launching older products. Earlier this month we reported that Japanese vendor Kuroutoshikou decided to re-start sales of its GeForce GTX 1050 Ti boards. This past weekend the card made it into retail, but its price is far from what we usually consider an entry-level. The unit costs ¥22,800 ($210 with taxes), according to Akiba PC Hotline. Meanwhile, such boards can cost even more in the U.S.

Given that the GeForce GTX 1050 Ti is outdated in terms of performance and architecture, demand for such a product would be close to zero under normal conditions. But today the GPU market does not act normally, which is why the price of the product exceeds $200.

But if you thought that was bad, it's worse in other countries. Based on data from CamelCamelCamel, new GTX 1050 Ti boards were recently sold for betwee $399 – $599 at Amazon.com. So maybe it's time to dig through your closet and see if your old graphics card could finance a new CPU or SSD upgrade.

 

The GPU prices/unavailability as well as CPU unavailability are what actually drove me to buy another laptop back in December. I can’t believe this is still the case this late into 2021. $200 for a 1050Ti is sickening

 

Could have been a good move indeed: Asus and Acer are rumored to be raising prices across their entire laptop lines as much as 10% in the second half with others expected to follow suit. High demand and the semiconductor shortage...

 

Nvidia's Mining Limiter is Dead: Farm Uses 7 RTX 3060s
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...l-transformation.812591/page-69#post-11087358

Ampere was meant for mining, LOOL

 

The thing that confuses me is why does Nvidia bother selling them at all? They could just mine on everything they manufacture

 

Everything Nvidia make is for mining. Gaming coming next More profit and it force higher prices both from their AIB partners and retail. Big win for the whole Greedy chain.

Bitcoin Mining Company Hut 8 Buys NVIDIA CMP GPUs Worth $30 Million... hardwaretimes.com

For NVIDIA, this purchase fulfills nearly 60% of its Q1 earnings expectations from the new CMP lineup. Considering that there aren’t many CMP cards available on the retail market, I’m guessing the remaining 40% of the overall 50 million target will also be fulfilled by large-scale deals such as this.

Graphics Card Shortages to Extend Thru the End of the Year as ASUS Plans to Hike Prices Further hardwaretimes.com | March 31, 2021

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 and RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU specifications and performance leaked videocardz.de
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...top-gpu-specifications-and-performance-leaked


Yeah, this could be an option for the miners gamers

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Edit. Maybe a new castrated Ampere card on it's way?

Razer's upcoming AMD-powered 14-inch laptops might get low-TGP RTX 3000 dGPU options only, R9 5900HX + RTX 3070 Max-Q configuration spotted

The thin and light chassis that Razer employs for its 14-inch models could prove too restrictive for higher-TGP dGPUs. (Image Source: Razer)
The inclusion of the Max-Q version of the RTX 3070 seems to be suggesting that Razer's thin and light chassis on the upcoming AMD-powered 14-inch models only allow for lower-TGP dGPU options. Can Razer also add an RTX 3080 Max-Q and are these options really making sense for such price premiums when Lenovo is offering the Max-P versions on the Legion 5 Pro and Legion 7 with superior price/performance ratios?

Unless there is some vapor chamber cooling system involved, Razer is most likley going to use a low-TGP RTX 3060 in order to justify the upgrade to one of those RTX 3070 Max-Q variants. It remains to be seen if Razer manages to offer the RTX 3080 Max-Q option, as well.

 

Nvidia seems to try help out the gamers. Not Ampere cards but you can at least game if you find some of tthe cards below the 2.5 times higher price above MSRP of $149 US Yeah, Nvidia and it's partners make big bucks due the mining boom. And those cards won't destroy for the coming 4000 series cards. Nvidia need buyers when the miningboom is over as well.

NVIDIA To Fight Gaming GPU Shortage With GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card, Increased Supply & Availability Expected in Mid Q2

Currently, the lowest price you can find the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 for $399 USD, and that's a 2.5 times higher price than the MSRP of $149 US which the card was introduced at. Increasing the supply may or may not affect the prices much but over the last couple of months, the GTX 1650 is been getting increased attention from mainstream gamers. The card gained the second-highest graphics card share on the Steam hardware survey.

Can't be a bad purchase as long the old card stay on top of Steam hardware survey.
Nice seeing Nvidia can continue make gold of their old Can you smell the green smoke of Nvidia's increased profit bro @Mr. Fox The miners is Gods gift to Nvidia, LOOL

 

why won't this thread die lol nothing left to say....geesh

if you have a 1060/1070/1080 jump
2080/2070/2060 pass

 

You’re free to ignore it?

 

was just saying....repeating the same thing 50 times? guess im wrong

 

Your not wrong. This thread was derailed long ago with the segue into corporate greed. I come here for the entertainment value nowadays; there isn't any actual knowledge to be gleaned from it any more.

 

That the 1070 =/= the 2060mq sans raytracing & dlss, I'd say that even those 1070/1080 owners should skip Ampere if possible ...like go put a dent in your Steam backlog and/or revisit a few old favorites if need be.

Maybe this thread won't die because we need a thread where we can start speculating about Nvidia's 4000 series mobile GPUs ...since mobile Ampere was sort of a failure.

 

This^

A GTX 1070 has similar performance as a 1660ti/RTX 2060 without Ray tracing and DLSS. In other words you can still play AAA games on 1080p on High/Ultra settings without any issues for now. The main problem with Ampere is that its gimped for laptops compared to its desktop counterpart.

 

we should create a thread for 4000series ampere is a lemon..

and i kinda agree if you have a 1080/that being an exception no need to upgrade

 

Well it's scaled worse than previously in the context of mobile to desktop performance deficit of course. The biggest thing is that the 3050 low end series can now do raytracing and dlss, who knows if that's usefult though. From mobile card to card it's not really scaled much different than the turings and I'd expect over the life of ampere we'd get the same hairsplitting from ngreedia i.e. super, ti etc At the high end, 2k/4k, it's a good improvement but nothing out of the ordinary over generations. And the entertainment value of rich dudes who flaunt their wealth in such bad taste and their other nonsense, but we expect that from their tasteless kind.

 

i don't get people buying a new laptop everytime a new card comes out I just dont get it, what game needs this and why

 

Value is relative to wealth. On the Corvette forum people who buy Camaro's cant afford a Corvette but anyone that buys a Porsche is flaunting their wealth and the value isn't there. On the Porsche forums people who buy Corvettes do so because they can't afford a Porsche but Ferrari's are for posers and the value isn't there. Don't know what happens on the Ferrari forums... All value judgements are made from a perspective of relative wealth. If you have a lot of cash a laptop isn't particularly expensive and doesn't even have to pass a value judgement; some people have that kind of money. Then you have the enthusiast, they live and breath (X) and will always have the best they can afford. You do of course have the posers and those who are not posing but rather flaunting. Those are some reasons.

 

I have schizoeffective disorder, yeah yeah madness is close to genius.....but I don't have the money and if I did I'd give it away. I believe we all have mental switches, NBR has yet to trigger mine which leads me to think....all I can prove is my rose! it has intelligence beyond the petals
I have a high IQ that I can prove, I have a type of schizoprenia I can prove that, and I can prove I'm poor....


edit most lay persons think money is an indicator of intelligence...look at chris langan his iq is 210-190 and he would essentially make anyone look dumb and yet he's average financially

 

Agreed,
Ampere (and even Navi) was basically DOA on laptops after they revealed their die sizes on GA102/4.
The issue is not with the IPC but with the node. Both AMD and Nvidia have matured enough at this point that their respective architectures are pretty solid.
We can expect a similar level of scaling upto 5nm finFET GPUs- Lovelace/Hopper will feature obscene die sizes to accommodate the tensor hardware and claimed ~66tflops on AD102.
Summary: the desktop and laptop delta is set to remain the same or even widen with the next generation, unless nvidia goes with a chiplet array in their next design but even then I have my doubts.
Think back to Maxwell vs. Pascal and we saw the substantial, and predictably linear gains mostly due to the jump from 28nm planar FET to 16nm, which was already pushing it with Planar CMOS design. The jump to 14 & eventually 12nm(Turing) was never going to be huge because adding 'fins' to a MoSFET substrate was simply a workaround to have a higher current density on the transistor package.
To actually have meaningful gains the last few nodes beyond 5nm will need to completely rework transistor design (finFET is not possible beyond 5), barring the insane cost of whatever they need beyond EUV to accomplish that.
Moore's law should approach EOL by the end of this decade, hence the push towards alternate math: Tensor matrix multiplication, concurrent compute etc.
We should expect quite a radical change in computing over the next 2-3 decades.
Either that or go into cryosleep until humanity eventually achieves Kardashev type-III status and then we can see meaningful gains in the GPU sector.

 

Well and to beat a dead horse, the naming issue(admittedly separate) points to deception pure and simple, which for a publicly owned corp points to a strategy of greed/fraud. Sneaking in a phrase like "laptop gpu" etc is not enough because we see the sales pages don't use that terminology consistently and most wouldn't catch that little technicality and what it means: they know this. None of us would be fooled of course.

Off topic IQ is just a metric relating to some artificial context, it's one indicator of expected intellectual performance. Look at boxing champs they're tops in a specific context but that doesn't mean they can beat everyone out there in all situations, my 2cents anyways don't sweat it.

 

1. I think it's a bit more complicated than that. If I'd sell my p775tm with gtx1080 (still under warranty) now, I would get a better price for it than within 6 months, let alone 1 year.

2. Although the current mobile gpu generation is gimped DLSS could give me the edge needed to switch to 2K gaming or full RTX, which is impossible with my current setup.

So there's some system in the upgrading madness.

 

I'm still considering the Tong unit Eluktronics is pushing, the one with the 5800 and 3080. Still no reviews on it I can scrounge up.

 

Yes I'm tempted even by the 3070 + Intel, which should be close enough to the amd + 3800 for gaming AND would leave me with some money that can be saved for a new DTR in the future.

 

Better value going that way. I'd like to sample AMD but to be honest that's more scratching an itch then anything else.

 

So... I scratched the itch.

 

You ordered the Tongfang?

 

Prometheus w/5800 and 3080. Should hold me over until next year.